2014 Sochi Winter Olympics Games

One of the Gold's was Victor An, a South Korean competing for Russia.

Won against his former nation too, haha!

Hey, where is that moron Nick railing against Asian immigrants

Only those (like me) who have lived through communist times can understand how and why the propaganda gets so strong:

Yahoo! wrote:Canadian athlete deletes selfie with Vladimir Putin after backlash from back home

Yahoo! wrote:Russian president Vladimir Putin stopped by the USA and Canada Houses in Sochi on Friday, drawing plenty of attention from smartphone-wielding athletes. One of them was Canadian speedskater Brittany Schussler, who took advantage of her proximity to Putin to snap a selfie.

Schussler later tweeted the picture to her followers with the message "I should've asked him to be my Valentine," but was soon met with strong criticism. Enough criticism that Schussler felt compelled to delete the tweet and explain herself to a Canadian newspaper.

Link to shameless propaganda disguised as "news"

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Now, what this Russia bashing propaganda tells me is that SOMEONE IS SCARED SHI*LESS!
Otherwise they'd just let Russia be.
So: good news disguised as bad news really... 

macedonian wrote:Only those (like me) who have lived through communist times can understand how and why the propaganda gets so strong:

Yahoo! wrote:Canadian athlete deletes selfie with Vladimir Putin after backlash from back home

Yahoo! wrote:Russian president Vladimir Putin stopped by the USA and Canada Houses in Sochi on Friday, drawing plenty of attention from smartphone-wielding athletes. One of them was Canadian speedskater Brittany Schussler, who took advantage of her proximity to Putin to snap a selfie.

Schussler later tweeted the picture to her followers with the message "I should've asked him to be my Valentine," but was soon met with strong criticism. Enough criticism that Schussler felt compelled to delete the tweet and explain herself to a Canadian newspaper.

Link to shameless propaganda disguised as "news"

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Now, what this Russia bashing propaganda tells me is that SOMEONE IS SCARED SHI*LESS!
Otherwise they'd just let Russia be.
So: good news disguised as bad news really... 

The people on twitter seem to know squat about what goes on in Russia and saying that they are ashamed to be canadian because a Canadian athlete a selfie with Putin? These people should be ashamed of themselves for their own ignorance and stupidity.

But but, they read an article in the NY Times about how corrupt the Olympics are11!!!!!

As an ardent gay right supporter I hope Russia starts crucifying gays in the streets just to see the crying in the west .

The best part of it is, the Putin criticism just shows how sheep-like the Western population is. Do you see actual, intelligent, criticism of the Putin regime?
No. All you see is parroting of the few same phrases, covering a true lack of any real understanding of the situation in Russia.

How many people have American leaders killed thousands of miles away from their country? Nah, its all good, selfies with Obama are cute and hip!

It absolutely horrifies me just how quickly the Wester media (controlled by powerful political interests and intelligence services) can indoctrinate their populations into believing... well just about anything.

I know there are plenty of smart, educated people there who are able to see through it - but the sheer amount of useful idiots it produces, the public consciousness and hysteria - it's a a level of effective propaganda not seen since Russia in Stalin's time.

The commies from the 60s onwards; with all of their direct control of the media and so on - were never able to exert the sort of control over the thoughts and issues of their populations as the current army of spin doctors, PR people, media specialists, etc... can in such places like the US and UK.

Rubbish. Marking my words. Westerners know, at least deep inside them, that all this is a stupid propaganda. They follow regardless because in  Western societies  
USA considered the guarantor of the standard of living and the way of life anyone has, so if they say that someone or something is bad we have to follow them because it is a threat to our prosperity.

So the key is this. To break the Jewish propaganda you don't need to prove it wrong, you need to convince Westerners that your way is the better way for a higher standard of living. You do it by example? you do it by force? by a combination? the point is, there is no other way. Russia is too big to left unnoticed, they will come again and  again back for more until they have their face smashed.

Hannibal Barca wrote:Rubbish. Marking my words. Westerners know, at least deep inside them, that all this is a stupid propaganda. They follow regardless because in  Western societies  
USA considered the guarantor of the standard of living and the way of life anyone has, so if they say that someone or something is bad we have to follow them because it is a threat to our prosperity.

So the key is this. To break the Jewish propaganda you don't need to prove it wrong, you need to convince Westerners that your way is the better way for a higher standard of living. You do it by example? you do it by force? by a combination? the point is, there is no other way. Russia is too big to left unnoticed, they will come again and  again back for more until they have their face smashed.

Maybe we should ask the 50 mln people living on foot stemps the literally modern way of bread lines what they think about "USA and its provider of high life standards"?
Or the 12++ mln homeless people why they can not house in all this tenthousands of houses in the US that are left in cities like Las Vegas without any houser and don't allow to use them?

Everytime i see hypocrisy like this stupid canadians bitching about putin selfie beeing a dictator but love to see Obomber who is responsible for murder black on white on all those papers he has signed for drone murder attacks, i just want to punch this people untill they find sanity back.

Werewolf wrote:

Hannibal Barca wrote:Rubbish. Marking my words. Westerners know, at least deep inside them, that all this is a stupid propaganda. They follow regardless because in  Western societies  
USA considered the guarantor of the standard of living and the way of life anyone has, so if they say that someone or something is bad we have to follow them because it is a threat to our prosperity.

So the key is this. To break the Jewish propaganda you don't need to prove it wrong, you need to convince Westerners that your way is the better way for a higher standard of living. You do it by example? you do it by force? by a combination? the point is, there is no other way. Russia is too big to left unnoticed, they will come again and  again back for more until they have their face smashed.

Maybe we should ask the 50 mln people living on foot stemps the literally modern way of bread lines what they think about "USA and its provider of high life standards"?
Or the 12++ mln homeless people why they can not house in all this tenthousands of houses in the US that are left in cities like Las Vegas without any houser and don't allow to use them?

Everytime i see hypocrisy like this stupid canadians bitching about putin selfie beeing a dictator but love to see Obomber who is responsible for murder black on white on all those papers he has signed for drone murder attacks, i just want to punch this people untill they find sanity back.

Believe me, there is a huge number of Canadians who either 1) dont really care or 2) dont believe what is being told tp them regarding what media tells them. I hear it a lot. Some even ask me my opinion amd I just nicely tell them were they can look for answers that has both sides information. These people who go nuts over putin or Russia are usually people who have an agenda in the first place or who are easy to convince. The ones with the agenda also belong to the LGBT, and its community. As well, a lot of the gays will follow lgbt group blindly because they think that the group will somehow bring their peoples....ways.... to freesom and success (dont know how else to word it) and they are most vocal. Even got to as far as comparing Putin to Hitler (I wonder how the jews feel about that since Putin has not condemned a single gay to prison, let alone death. And yet Hitler condemned millions of jews to death).

One would think with the internet being so open, that there would be more smart people. But people are just as stupid as ever and will blindly follow what is told to them. No questions asked. Then they will claim they are Russian or they been their or their friend is from there to press further their agenda by trying to sound like they have a leg to stand on.

I think I am more frightened of a time when western leaders come to like and praise the leader of Russia... that will be very bad for Russia.   

GarryB wrote:I think I am more frightened of a time when western leaders come to like and praise the leader of Russia... that will be very bad for Russia.    

If USA tells you are the bad guy than you know you are on the right path and they are just afraid of you or what statement your position could mean in the global stage.

The kind of thieves and morons we have in gov is pretty damn far from the right path.

But I just can't stand when people parrot shit about Russia without actually knowing a damn thing about the situation, having any personal experience, or hell just educating themselves on the subject without prejudices.
All of a sudden all these people on facebook are experts about the extent of Sochi corruption and Russia's gay laws (which is funny, since there are many American states with sodomy laws LOL )....people just have no shame in spouting their opinion about any subject that is popular at the moment. Oh well, I guess that's life for ya..

TR1 wrote:The kind of thieves and morons we have in gov is pretty damn far from the right path.

But I just can't stand when people parrot shit about Russia without actually knowing a damn thing about the situation, having any personal experience, or hell just educating themselves on the subject without prejudices.
All of a sudden all these people on facebook are experts about the extent of Sochi corruption and Russia's gay laws (which is funny, since there are many American states with sodomy laws LOL )....people just have no shame in spouting their opinion about any subject that is popular at the moment. Oh well, I guess that's life for ya..

I will admit, there are a lot of problems in Russian gov. But almost all gov there is a problem so Russia isnt really singled out. But if a semi competent gov can make a country that successful in a short time, then I would really like to see what a full competent gov can do. Would be nice, but a gov position usually corrupts everyone.

russia 2 place medals table but and difficult to spend the germany

TR1 wrote:The kind of thieves and morons we have in gov is pretty damn far from the right path.

But I just can't stand when people parrot shit about Russia without actually knowing a damn thing about the situation, having any personal experience, or hell just educating themselves on the subject without prejudices.
All of a sudden all these people on facebook are experts about the extent of Sochi corruption and Russia's gay laws (which is funny, since there are many American states with sodomy laws LOL )....people just have no shame in spouting their opinion about any subject that is popular at the moment. Oh well, I guess that's life for ya..

Problem with you is, you do nothing else than moving around defaming your country. Three years here I have never read -anything- optimistic of yours.
I still wait for you to write your, extensive, report against Putin that you promised.  Apart from a sterile leftist rhetoric I don't see you having any other arguments.
We already got that you care more for Nigger's prosperity in Russia compare to your compatriots, anything else?
I guess about 20% of Russians and at least 50% of Ukrainians are such as you, so the problem is from inside.

Yeah, because unlike 90% of the posters here I actually lived in Russia, and are not desperate to defend Putin to be "anti-western".
When the country of your birth is run the shit way Russia is, you tend to not suck up to the gov for its "uber strong pwning teh Americans in Syria11!!'" etc etc "success".
Critisizing Putin=/= defaming Russia. Unless you think exactly like Western news does, and stick the two together.

I come here to post military news mostly. Like I said, when I get around to it, I'll post my full list of grievances.

BTW, Niggers prosperity? What? Real classy you ass.

EDIT: All I do is defame? Man, learn to read. Reality, is not defaming. Sorry, bitter truth is better than whatever Russia Strong fantasy you might enjoy.
Oh, and isn't it funny how most of my "defaming" is actually defending Russian hardware?

Dont you still live in Russia?

I think that there is a fine line between being critical but giving suggestiom to fix things, and simply being critical for the sake of it because you dont like the guy.

Putin isnt the saving grace like everyone thinks he his, but you have to admit the changes (for better) your country has seen in the last couple of years. Even here, we cannot ignore the changes what happened in your country and there are people and even media (local papers for example) who praised Putin and the gov for the more success than they had under democratic Yeltsin. But I think, like everyone whos been in power for too long (we know that well here in Canada), the people in power become lazy, and complacent so things really dont progress more. Maybe Russia does need a new leader to bring a new face and a fresh mind to the game of politics.

I think we all need to be rational here.
This isn't MP.net after all   
Now, I've had my disagreements with TR1 in the past, but I think his argument is being the most rational one here (in this latest discussion at least).
There, having that settled, now let's all relax, and listen to some music:



 
Россия!

TR1 wrote:Yeah, because unlike 90% of the posters here I actually lived in Russia, and are not desperate to defend Putin to be "anti-western".
When the country of your birth is run the shit way Russia is, you tend to not suck up to the gov for its "uber strong pwning teh Americans in Syria11!!'" etc etc "success".
Critisizing Putin=/= defaming Russia. Unless you think exactly like Western news does, and stick the two together.

I come here to post military news mostly. Like I said, when I get around to it, I'll post my full list of grievances.

BTW, Niggers prosperity? What? Real classy you ass.

EDIT: All I do is defame? Man, learn to read. Reality, is not defaming. Sorry, bitter truth is better than whatever Russia Strong fantasy you might enjoy.
Oh, and isn't it funny how most of my "defaming" is actually defending Russian hardware?

I respect your position but I see that in every issue you have a negative opinion. I see that you are not a hater of your country, quite the opposite, so I am a bit puzzled.
I understand that it is due to ideology but still Russia has made substantial efforts recently in some areas and you don't seem to recognize this.
Sorry that I break it to you, I certainly don't love your country more than you but I am very objective in my nature, in 1999 you where the prosti@@te capital of the world
and 15 years later you exchange blows again with US, and even so mostly winning the last two years with some really major successes.
You can't dismiss this.


PS Let me add this. I visit Russia, mostly Moscow and St Petersburg about once a year for the last decade and the level of improvement for the average citizen,
year by year is staggering. At least what is visual. I don't know whether Russians realize that economic indexes are not in parallel with daily improvements....
Actually things can go MUCH WORSE and I don't know if you are prepared.
e.g In Kiev people want to destroy the country. Do they realize how much have gained the last 10 years? Do you know how much we in EU have LOST the same time?
They already went a long way without even trying..... Chinese are about the same level and they are working for the last 35 years for this.....

e.g In Kiev people want to destroy the country.

It is not just Ukrainians and Russians who can have rubbish politicians... in the US the republicans in congress would rather kill a bill that will help americans just to make Obama look bad than do the right thing and actually do their job.

BTW I consider the N word to be swearing... please use the first and last letters and a censor smiley in future...

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TR-1 is very pessimistic... that is not a secret... but I think we in the west forget that up until about 2008 there were plenty of promises of reform and spending on the military that was all just talk and no substance.

I think even TR-1 would have to admit that Putin has put that right and the military seem to be heading in the right direction... the number of threads on here where foreigners want to join the Russian military alone tells you they are doing the right things and that the future looks much brighter.

Having said that it wasn't just the military that suffered under the stagnation of the 90s and early 00s, the whole military infrastructure and military industrial complex needs funding, work and reform and that is in the process of happening now too and it will be an ongoing process.

We talk about 2015 as being some magical time when the new vehicles will start to enter service and 2020 when 70% of equipment in the military will be new, but really it wont be until about 2025 that we will know how secure Russias future is and what sort of role it might have in the world.

TR-1 reminds us that not everything is shiny and perfect and beautiful and that claims need actions to back them up.

The fact that he sometimes comes across as a negative c  t is I am sure the price he is willing to pay.

I don't see anyone else in Russia that is putting their hand up to do a better job than Putin.

How about that for Irony however... a cynical Russian criticised on an international forum about Russia for not being a Putin fanboy.... freeken hilarious!!!!         

We simply don't know if putin is the best at managig the russian military since all the candidates have never run the countries but judging by his predecessors putin looks like a real genius. However I don't think he's the biggest military management genius in russia. With Zyuganov continuing the USSR's legacy I'm more inclined to belive the military would be in better shape if he was president instead of putin of course at the cost of some other sectors.

TR1 wrote:The kind of thieves and morons we have in gov is pretty damn far from the right path.

Comparing to our leaders in EU, they are still legends.

It is not just Ukrainians and Russians who can have rubbish politicians... in the US the republicans in congress would rather kill a bill that will help americans just to make Obama look bad than do the right thing and actually do their job.

Sorry mate but this is completely different from what we see in Ukraine.
In commonwealth countries like yours or Canada or Anglosaxon lead like US you can't go too far in rioting or plotting against you country.
Once public opinion realize that you try to break the inner stability of society you are done.
This is the reason why USA plots against anybody else, that they are confident  that they can handle such attacks better than their opponents.

I spend  2010 living in London. Long story short, it is not a great thing to be a 25 year old English native in town.
It is not a rush situation but you are semi-competent you realize that your parents 30 years ago where in better shape all in all. Yet nobody really gone bananas there.
In Kiev, despite the huge problems for the average Joe, you can see it has been a huge progress during the last 20 years yet Kiev is the one in flames.

Hannibal Barca: TR1 is usually right about things. Just read his posts; any of them - 95% of the time he's right.
You don't like it, I don't like it, but there we go You should show some respect though, the guy knows his stuff.