Immigration implications on Russian society

sepheronx wrote:I could apply for it, but what good would that do me? I'll visit Russia to see family that still lives there, but I have no reason to live there as my skills are not needed. They need specific skills, and there is a lack of them in many countries. Indians go to Russia to study, but many do not stay. If they are getting it paid for by tax payers, they are steeling from Russia. If they are paying for it, then good on them. If Russia pays more for engineers and scientists, then they may not find an issue when in need.

People from slavic and germanic countries will have it easier in Russia. People from latin America may also find it pretty decent due to some historical ties. But thats about it. I wouldnt really bring in lots of Muslims.

Firebird wrote:I think if its ultra skilled people ( I mean like scientific geniuses etc) in very small numbers it doesn't matter that much where they are from... to some extent - in terms of working with them.

The problem comes when they have 16kids who become radical islamist maniacs etc...

But I think CIS countries like Belarus, the Eastern part of the Ukraine etc are the natural alliance. Then Slavic countries like Poland, Bulgaria, Cz Rep -some of which used to be part of Russia anyway (I'm thinking bits of Poland etc). Then Central Asian CIS (which has an affinity, but also a potential problem with some Islamics etc). Some western Europeans could potentially emigrate and integrate.
But integration is vital.

But its all dependent on numbers. I mean some Russians in the F East have some Chinese/Mongol blood,and are true Russians. But I dont think anyone would want 20m Chinese emigrating to Russia...

Putin makes sense in making it easier for people of Imperial Russian descent to emigrate to Russia.
These people will have blood ties, affinity and hopefully patriotism/pride in Russia.

I hope Russia doesn't fall into the idiotic trap that W Europe has fallen into. Britain, France and places are building up massive problems. Russia still has a national unity in many ways, and long may it continue.

NickM wrote:

KomissarBojanchev wrote:Comparing russia to great britain in this aspect is INSANE.

No not insane . Putin is winning elections because the Asian illegal immigrants are voting for him & his party. So he is encouraging mass illegal immigration from Asia .

Former Louisiana Representative David Duke had written a book exactly on this issue. David Duke’s book had been sold openly in the main lobby of the Russian State Duma for 50 rubles. The first printing of 5,000 copies was almost sold out within several weeks. However , Putin banned that book throughout Russia less people get to know of this impending danger.

Take a look at the other Slavic countries in Europe . With the rise of the population of Romas and other Asians , Blacks there has been a steady decline in the local population and because of this the economy has suffered tremendously. A few years ago we could not think of recession in the West but because of immigration from third world states our economies are in doldrum.

If Putin still does NOT accept popular local sentiment the next Anders Brevik might well come from Russia.

Regular wrote:

NickM wrote:

KomissarBojanchev wrote:Comparing russia to great britain in this aspect is INSANE.

No not insane . Putin is winning elections because the Asian illegal immigrants are voting for him & his party.

hahahahahhaha. Ever voted Yourself? Do Yo know how it works?
And common, Russia was just a city and managed to conquer most of Asia and now You are complaining that Asians are comming here to work and live :DIt does say something about a country if there are people that want to live there

War&Peace wrote:

GarryB wrote:Now you are worried that the white race might not remain pure, or become a minority in traditionally white regions

Exactly . AND this has already happened or is happening right now . Asians and Blacks fail to integrate with Western culture . Therefore , they have imposed their own set of culture and in our case even a President who was elected only coz of Blacks and Asians.

Naturally local white Russians are protesting just like Whites in EU and the US .

sepheronx wrote:I hear crossmix info regarding skinhead issues. Just stay out of areas where they thrive. You'll never be able to stay away from them forever, not even in Canada (I hate it when skinheads call me brother and what not, and thank god they dont know im married to a punjabi or I would be dead). I hear places like irkutsk, tomsk, omsk are great places to live and work, as pay rates are pretty high (in some things), people are decent and living conditions are good. Problem is with big big cities like st pete and moscow is that it attracts everyone of all types, including the bad.

If I had a choice, it would be irkutsk. High tech jobs seem to be popping up there as well, so some real good money can made. And I met some of the nicest Russians here, that are from Irkutsk.

sepheronx wrote:I hear crossmix info regarding skinhead issues. Just stay out of areas where they thrive. You'll never be able to stay away from them forever, not even in Canada (I hate it when skinheads call me brother and what not, and thank god they dont know im married to a punjabi or I would be dead). I hear places like irkutsk, tomsk, omsk are great places to live and work, as pay rates are pretty high (in some things), people are decent and living conditions are good. Problem is with big big cities like st pete and moscow is that it attracts everyone of all types, including the bad.

If I had a choice, it would be irkutsk. High tech jobs seem to be popping up there as well, so some real good money can made. And I met some of the nicest Russians here, that are from Irkutsk.

vK_man wrote:

Regular wrote:

NickM wrote:

KomissarBojanchev wrote:Comparing russia to great britain in this aspect is INSANE.

No not insane . Putin is winning elections because the Asian illegal immigrants are voting for him & his party.

hahahahahhaha. Ever voted Yourself? Do Yo know how it works?
And common, Russia was just a city and managed to conquer most of Asia and now You are complaining that Asians are comming here to work and live :DIt does say something about a country if there are people that want to live there

I think too many white pride guys here. I don't mind white nationalism ,but then neo-nazis have extremely violent tendencies like muslims.That scares me a bit.

vK_man wrote:

NickM wrote:

KomissarBojanchev wrote:Comparing russia to great britain in this aspect is INSANE.

No not insane . Putin is winning elections because the Asian illegal immigrants are voting for him & his party. So he is encouraging mass illegal immigration from Asia .

Former Louisiana Representative David Duke had written a book exactly on this issue. David Duke’s book had been sold openly in the main lobby of the Russian State Duma for 50 rubles. The first printing of 5,000 copies was almost sold out within several weeks. However , Putin banned that book throughout Russia less people get to know of this impending danger.

Take a look at the other Slavic countries in Europe . With the rise of the population of Romas and other Asians , Blacks there has been a steady decline in the local population and because of this the economy has suffered tremendously. A few years ago we could not think of recession in the West but because of immigration from third world states our economies are in doldrum.

If Putin still does NOT accept popular local sentiment the next Anders Brevik might well come from Russia.

There isn't any mass illegal immigration to russia.These are myths by neo-nazis like Navalny. I think you spent too much time in Moscow.

With exception of Romas ,what other asians are there in slavic countries other than Russia???

vK_man wrote:

sepheronx wrote:I hear crossmix info regarding skinhead issues. Just stay out of areas where they thrive. You'll never be able to stay away from them forever, not even in Canada (I hate it when skinheads call me brother and what not, and thank god they dont know im married to a punjabi or I would be dead). I hear places like irkutsk, tomsk, omsk are great places to live and work, as pay rates are pretty high (in some things), people are decent and living conditions are good. Problem is with big big cities like st pete and moscow is that it attracts everyone of all types, including the bad.

If I had a choice, it would be irkutsk. High tech jobs seem to be popping up there as well, so some real good money can made. And I met some of the nicest Russians here, that are from Irkutsk.

I heard Volgograd is good and has significant old communist/stalinist types.Is that true?

Hachimoto wrote:The first thing to ask is what opportunities in Russia for those immigrants?

High skilled immigrant you don't allow them to come, you should attract them.

RIA Novosti wrote:Moscow riot police faced off against an angry crowd in the Biryulyovo district of southern Moscow on Sunday night. The rioting began when protesters participating in an unauthorized rally headed towards an apartment building where Yegor Shcherbakov, a young man killed a few days ago, had lived.

A second group of protesters moved to the local vegetable warehouse, chanting nationalistic slogans, saying they wanted to force Shcherbakov’s murderer out of the vegetable warehouse where he was said to be hiding.
The first group of protestors proceeded to erect barricades outside a local shopping center. The protestors overturned at least one car and threw a flare into the shopping center, causing the first floor to fill with smoke.

Riot police closed the roads leading to the area and formed a human chain around the vegetable market to deflect people from entering the area. Initial estimates show that around 3,000 people were involved in the conflict.
Shcherbakov was killed on Oct. 9 while trying to defend his girlfriend from an assailant who approached them with a knife. The Russian Investigative Committee reported on Sunday that Shcherbakov’s murder had been referred to the Investigative Committee's Department for Investigating Grave Crimes.

"Eyewitnesses have been questioned. Police are searching for the assailant. The search is continuing," the Investigative Committee said.
The entire police force of the city of Moscow has been put on high alert and Manezh Square outside the Kremlin has been closed. The square has traditionally been a popular place for protestors.

TAR-TASS has reported that Russian Interior Minister Vladimir Kolokoltsevis  holding an emergency meeting in connection the incident. Yelena Kokotova, the acting spokeswoman for the Moscow Police, said that in addition to Kolokoltsev, Interior Minister Vladimir Kolokoltsev and Moscow police chief, Anatoly Yakunin are taking part in the meeting. Kokotova also said that some riot policemen had sought medical assistance.

Moscow Mayor Sergei Sobyanin’s press secretary Gulnara Penkova told reporters: "The mayor has instructed the law enforcement services to conduct a through probe and to detain YegorShcherbakov's killer,” adding "Those involved in the Biryulyovo unrest must be prosecuted in accordance with the law.”

Fights have also broken out between protestors and migrant workers due to rumors that Shcherbakov's murderer was a migrant. Lyudmila Alexeyeva, head of the Moscow Helsinki Group, issued a statement reacting to the assaults on migrants.
"People must be calmed down, an operation to find the killer must be conducted and street violence must be prevented," she told Interfax on Sunday.

“What alarmed me is that people see non-Russians as the root of all troubles. Moscow is the capital city of a multiethnic state. It must be a multi-ethnic city by definition.

Alexeyeva continued: "It is interesting, why law enforcement personnel were absent in Biryulyovo. People who gathered in Biryulyovo were really aggressive, unlike those who filled Bolotnaya Square on May 6, 2012 [to protest for fair elections]. In Biryulyovo they overturned garbage bins and cars, and attacked policemen. Why do our law enforcement services deal rigorously with peaceful demonstrations and are not active enough where disturbances really occur?”
The Russian Migrants Federation has urged representatives of ethnic communities to remain on alert in the wake of disturbances in southern Moscow.

"Attacks are likely in different parts of Moscow. Nationalists are in a very aggressive mood," Russian Migrants Federation President Mukhammad Amin told Interfax. “Migrants and foreign nationals "should stay away from public places.”
He said the Moscow police are taking effective measures to bring the situation back to normal.
So far 200 people have been detained in the Biryulyovo area and 60 in northeastern Moscow.

TR1 wrote:Btw what Asian?

GarryB wrote:The article suggests the attacker was a migrant... it says nothing about his ethnicity or even that he was ilegal... what makes you think the attacker wasn't a white european?

GarryB wrote:Does rape not occur in Europe?

As Sa'iqa wrote:In Sweden roughly 75% of all rapes are committed by migrants from the Middle East, Africa, Central Asia etc.

Can anyone name a single western country in which massive influx of people from such places has not been accompanied by severe social strain? Is there a single country affected to a similar degree by Chinese or Vietnamese immigration?

As Sa'iqa wrote:But the Chinese (and other immigrants from East Asia) are a high-achieving group with BELOW average crime rates - which cannot be said about Blacks, Indians etc.

British Chinese men and women also rank very highly in terms of receiving wages well above the national median but are less likely to receive a higher net weekly income than any other ethnic group. British Chinese men earn the highest median wage for any ethnic group with £12.70 earned per hour, followed by the medians for White British men at £11.40, and Multiracial Britons at £11.30 and British Indian men at £11.20. British Chinese women also earn the highest median wage for any ethnic group third only to Black Caribbean women and Multiracial Briton women with a median wage of £10.21 earned per hour.