Serbia in the Yugoslav Wars

I ignored that Serbs found a way to down ultra-furtif F-117 Nighthawk
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Low-frequency_radarhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Low-frequency_radar
If someone has more information about this radar, please share with us.

With that, I cannot explain untill now, how Serbs lost the war ? I cannot trust any US' losses figures, they are all, shit, and propaganda.
Why did they lose Kosovo, and Bosnia ?

nemrod wrote:
Why did they lose Kosovo, and Bosnia ?

They never lost Bosnia because they never had it.. Bosnia was ex-yu country with a lot of Serbian population like Croatia,Macedonia,Slovenia,Montenegro but never part of Serbia like Kosovo..

MIG31 wrote:

nemrod wrote:
Why did they lose Kosovo, and Bosnia ?

They never lost Bosnia because they never had it.. Bosnia was ex-yu country with a lot of Serbian population like Croatia,Macedonia,Slovenia,Montenegro but never part of Serbia like Kosovo..

Now that's a lie, Serbs came in 7. century to Balkans and settled in west to Vrbas and Cetina rivers and in east to Morava, Bojana and Ibar rivers. That includes territory of Bosnia and most of todays Dalmatia. Bosnia came to be as first Serb state on Balkan fell to 3 parts First Raška (today's Serbia), Bosnia and Duklia/Zeta today's Montenegro. Bosnian ban Matej Ninoslav tells in his letter to Ragusa ruler that in Bosnia live only Serbs and Vlachs, Kulin ban tells us something similar, Frankish reports tell that the region of today's Bosnia was under the control of Serbs. Serbs were always majority in Bosnia until the effects of genocide in ww2 took effect (over 700 000 Serbs were killed of a population perhaps 1.2 or 1.3 million) in 1970s ... And Republic of Srpska still stands and is 49% of territory of Bosnia and Hercegovina.

As for loosing 80 000 soldiers of Republic of Srpska held whole war over 70% of territory of Bosnia while at war with 50 000 HVO (Bosnian Croat Forces), 200 000 + Muslim soldiers, Croatian army and NATO which bombed all the time Serb troops, armed enemies and even supported them on the ground occasionally. The war was ended politically when Serbia were forced to stand by and do nothing to help Republic of Srpska which pulled back army to the lines that were agreed beforehand and accept peace for guaranteed 49% of territory ...

GarryB wrote:What I don't understand is that if Albanians in Kosovo have the right to an independent country free from oppression by evil Serbs then why don't the Serb minority in Kosovo deserve independence from Albanian Kosovo... and for that matter why don't Serbian minorities in all the former Yug states deserve independent states too.

There are many factors, but basically it's 'might makes right' vis-a-vis NATO and the Balkans.
The situation in Ukraine is a great illustration: Whoever is an American puppet is called a 'democrat', if they aren't they are terrorists, and oppressors.

GarryB wrote:What makes Kosovo Albanians so special?

Their willingness to fight for American interests. Their religion (Islam). The possibility to play 'divide et impera' with ethnic minorities/majorities at any given point, should the need arise. If things escalate, and countries were forced to choose sides, Serbia would probably stick with Russia (not NATO), and I know that fighting against Orthodox Slavs (Russians/Serbs/Montenegrins/Bulgarians) would be not possible for any politician to sell here (in Macedonia). That would mean that we are either neutral (which is highly unlikely) or that we join forces with 'the anti-Western crowd'.

Hence the need for a factor that could destabilize things here or in Serbia should NATO (read America) need it.

GarryB wrote:What I don't understand is that if Albanians in Kosovo have the right to an independent country free from oppression by evil Serbs then why don't the Serb minority in Kosovo deserve independence from Albanian Kosovo... and for that matter why don't Serbian minorities in all the former Yug states deserve independent states too.

What makes Kosovo Albanians so special?

Ok necroposting here, but.

1. Let's not exagerate. For both sides Serbian enclave is a sensitive problem. Kosovars and Serbians are going full inat mode. There's nothing coherent about it.
2. That because it is a violent break up dressed up as humanitarian intervention. There have been many analysis over this and the current legal opinion is that the walk up to the actual declaration of independence was illegal. The declaration of independence proper was a kind of asexual. Not illegal, but not coherent with all previous and subsequent such decisions. Especially the condemnation from the International community of the Ossetian and Abkhaz secession.
3. The minority issue is clearly adressed by the EU. Coherent ethnic lines trump local or extensive separatist issues. The case that saw Europe back Spain over the Basque issue and UK over the Irish issue take precedent. Until it is politically handicapping. Like in Yugoslavia. A fortiori in Kosovo.

What makes Albanians special? Nothing, it's just opportunism. They like them and us when it comes to pissing off Serbia, but the reality is that they despise us and we're probably the most prejudiced when it comes to group related stigma. It has become a kind of badge of honor to be called, pimps, pushers, criminals, mafia, killers etc etc etc.

Sarajevo, capital of Bosnia and Herzegovina, year 1996.

GarryB wrote:What I don't understand is that if Albanians in Kosovo have the right to an independent country free from oppression by evil Serbs then why don't the Serb minority in Kosovo deserve independence from Albanian Kosovo... and for that matter why don't Serbian minorities in all the former Yug states deserve independent states too.

What makes Kosovo Albanians so special?

Evil opressive Serbs, meanwhile Albanians had own newspapers, schools, books, libraries, radio station... My dad had huge issues working with suppliers from some companies on todays Kosovo teritory coz they spoke very bad Serbo-Croatian or some even refused to speak it at all, this all happened in early 80s.

Meanwhile everyone forgets what Kosovo Albanians did during WW2 on teritory of todays Kosovo, South Serbia, North Macedonia... villages burned, ppl killed... pillaged and plundered justifuying it by fact that some Serbian soldiers killed their Albanian officers who planned turnover of the units to advancing Italians and Germans. Earlier something called Arbëria e Vogel was even formed post WW1 to fight aganist "colonialist Serbs", forgetting who aided Albania to became independent state and forgetting that Serbs interveened twice with own army aiding Esat Pashë Toptani to remain in power and to keep Albania as one country.

But nevermind, history will judge i guess.

Russian volonteurs in Republic of Serbs in 1994. holding M79 Osa AT weapon.

Well we shot Esat Pasha in the middle of Paris for that as it clearly undermined the True (r) Albanians. So that's not exactly the best example for the Southern Folk in Albania.
But for the Northerners, yeah sure, those cows are as ungrateful as anything. Sorry, you picked the wrong border, guys. ;-)/
Fun fact, Serbians backed the Northerners when they accused Ismail Qemali of being a Greek Agent...then the same Northerners, let the remnants of the Turkish contingent in Albania resist the Montenegrin troops. Catholics the lot of them.

Anyway, Complex Balkan is Complex.

KoTeMoRe wrote:Well we shot Esat Pasha in the middle of Paris for that as it clearly undermined the True (r) Albanians. So that's not exactly the best example for the Southern Folk in Albania.
But for the Northerners, yeah sure, those cows are as ungrateful as anything. Sorry, you picked the wrong border, guys. ;-)/
Fun fact, Serbians backed the Northerners when they accused Ismail Qemali of being a Greek Agent...then the same Northerners, let the remnants of the Turkish contingent in Albania resist the Montenegrin troops. Catholics the lot of them.

Anyway, Complex Balkan is Complex.

Because the true religion of ethnic Albanians is Albanianism.

Long time ago there used to be some Roman Catholics in Dubrovnik and Slavonia who claimed to be ethnic Serbs. What happened to them?

Odin of Ossetia wrote:

KoTeMoRe wrote:Well we shot Esat Pasha in the middle of Paris for that as it clearly undermined the True (r) Albanians. So that's not exactly the best example for the Southern Folk in Albania.
But for the Northerners, yeah sure, those cows are as ungrateful as anything. Sorry, you picked the wrong border, guys. ;-)/
Fun fact, Serbians backed the Northerners when they accused Ismail Qemali of being a Greek Agent...then the same Northerners, let the remnants of the Turkish contingent in Albania resist the Montenegrin troops. Catholics the lot of them.

Anyway, Complex Balkan is Complex.

Because the true religion of ethnic Albanians is Albanianism.

Long time ago there used to be some Roman Catholics in Dubrovnik and Slavonia who claimed to be ethnic Serbs. What happened to them?

Actually judging by Austro-Hungarian documents from the end of 19th century majority of citizens there considered themself as Catholic Serbs rather than Croats. Today however its not very smart leaving your car there during night if you have Serbian plates, as you might miss tires and wind shields.

Militarov wrote:

Odin of Ossetia wrote:

KoTeMoRe wrote:Well we shot Esat Pasha in the middle of Paris for that as it clearly undermined the True (r) Albanians. So that's not exactly the best example for the Southern Folk in Albania.
But for the Northerners, yeah sure, those cows are as ungrateful as anything. Sorry, you picked the wrong border, guys. ;-)/
Fun fact, Serbians backed the Northerners when they accused Ismail Qemali of being a Greek Agent...then the same Northerners, let the remnants of the Turkish contingent in Albania resist the Montenegrin troops. Catholics the lot of them.

Anyway, Complex Balkan is Complex.

Because the true religion of ethnic Albanians is Albanianism.

Long time ago there used to be some Roman Catholics in Dubrovnik and Slavonia who claimed to be ethnic Serbs. What happened to them?

Actually judging by Austro-Hungarian documents from the end of 19th century majority of citizens there considered themself as Catholic Serbs rather than Croats. Today however its not very smart leaving your car there during night if you have Serbian plates, as you might miss tires and wind shields.

Not sure if it was a majority.

Do you have evidence for these documents? Which areas are you referring to?

Odin of Ossetia wrote:

Militarov wrote:

Odin of Ossetia wrote:

KoTeMoRe wrote:Well we shot Esat Pasha in the middle of Paris for that as it clearly undermined the True (r) Albanians. So that's not exactly the best example for the Southern Folk in Albania.
But for the Northerners, yeah sure, those cows are as ungrateful as anything. Sorry, you picked the wrong border, guys. ;-)/
Fun fact, Serbians backed the Northerners when they accused Ismail Qemali of being a Greek Agent...then the same Northerners, let the remnants of the Turkish contingent in Albania resist the Montenegrin troops. Catholics the lot of them.

Anyway, Complex Balkan is Complex.

Because the true religion of ethnic Albanians is Albanianism.

Long time ago there used to be some Roman Catholics in Dubrovnik and Slavonia who claimed to be ethnic Serbs. What happened to them?

Actually judging by Austro-Hungarian documents from the end of 19th century majority of citizens there considered themself as Catholic Serbs rather than Croats. Today however its not very smart leaving your car there during night if you have Serbian plates, as you might miss tires and wind shields.

Not sure if it was a majority.

Do you have evidence for these documents? Which areas are you referring to?

Strictly Dubrovnik and its suburbs. Document refering to language spoken in the "home", family.

That is interesting.


I read that the only real ethnic Croats are the speakers of the Cakavski dialect, or only 12% of all ethnic Croats in Croatia.

What about the rest? Are people in Croatia aware of it?

Odin of Ossetia wrote:That is interesting.


I read that the only real ethnic Croats are the speakers of the Kajkavski dialects, or only 12% of all ethnic Croats in Croatia.

What about the rest? Are people in Croatia aware of it?

Lets put it this way, in village where i was born some 50% of pupulation were Croats, and my father spent 35 years of his life there. Today when he watches Croatian TV stations he notices words that literally did not exist 25 years ago. They are making up words, building new language.. just to make it different from Serbian. Naturally differences exist even in two parts of the sizeable country where same language is spoken, but noone builds language on purpose, seems that they are trying to.

Odin of Ossetia wrote:That is interesting.


I read that the only real ethnic Croats are the speakers of the Kajkavski dialects, or only 12% of all ethnic Croats in Croatia.

What about the rest? Are people in Croatia aware of it?

Need to correct myself here.

I meant the Cakavski (Cakavian or Chakavian) dialect speakers.


Interesting article here:

http://www.languagesoftheworld.info/europe/serbo-croatian-tale-two-languages-three-four.html

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Interesting photo from late 90s, these were also "moderates".

Militarov wrote:

Interesting photo from late 90s, these were also "moderates".

But those are not Kosovars, those are ethnic Bondsteelians...

magnumcromagnon wrote:

Militarov wrote:

Interesting photo from late 90s, these were also "moderates".

But those are not Kosovars, those are ethnic Bondsteelians...

https://theremustbejustice.files.wordpress.com/2014/02/ovk.jpg

Another one, just here there is more of color so ill post it like this

On this day, 1993. boy named Spomenko Gostić died while delivering supplies to his comrades on frontline, he was only 14. He was youngest decorated soldier in Republic of Serbs army. He was born on 14. August 1978, he his mother mother , his last surviving family member grandmother died in 1992. due to shelling by "Bosnian forces". He served in the army as courier and used to deliver supplies with his horse. In March 1993, during the bombing of the checkpoints of the Serb army, five soldiers were killed and Gostić was seriously wounded. Gostić died of his injuries on 20 March 1993 in Jovići on mount Ozren at the age of 14. He was buried along with his killed co-soldiers in the village cemetery.



"The heart of Spomenko Gostić, a brave boy from the Republic of Srpska, stopped beating 20 March in 1993. He was one of those people who earned their place in history. Spomenko Gostić was born on 14 August 1978 in Doboj, and before the war he lived with his mother in the village of Jovići, surrounded by neighborhoods with Muslim majority. His mother suddenly died and he was left to live with his grandmother. Soon after, his grandmother was killed by a shell fired by the Muslims on the village Jovići, and our hero became an orphan. Not long after the war broke out, Spomenko signed up as a volunteer in the army of the Republic of Srpska, whose soldiers protected him and cared about him, and in return he was bringing them food from trench to trench with his horse-driven cart. On one occasion he found himself in a minefield and was wounded, but he quickly recovered and returned to the army and his responsibilities. On that 20 March 1993, while rushing home to take out the bread out of the oven, which he made to feed his fellow soldiers, he was killed by a shell fired from the enemy side along with five other Serbian soldiers. War took everything from him: his family, his home, his childhood, and finally, his life. His fellow soldiers remember him as an incredibly brave and hardworking boy, and it will also be remembered that he had refused an offer of a Serbian family from France to adopt him and take him to live with them. Spomenko was grateful, but still he said: “I’m not going to be a deserter and leave my people in the worst times. I’ll be here until the end, until we welcome peace and freedom, and then… we’ll see.” Spomenko was posthumously awarded with the Medal of Merit. Memory eternal! "

Fucking Chinese Libermuster pattern camo "stolen" from Albanian depots.

KoTeMoRe wrote:Fucking Chinese Libermuster pattern camo "stolen" from Albanian depots.

As we here would say: "It fell from the truck while it was passing by".

Militarov wrote:

KoTeMoRe wrote:Fucking Chinese Libermuster pattern camo "stolen" from Albanian depots.

As we here would say: "It fell from the truck while it was passing by".

Seriously, I used some of that in "zbor", fuck them and their mothers. Trash bunch the whole of them. Disgrace of that uniform. "Best" of it was the "Dardania" patches.