What Does Nationalism Mean To You?

Somebody recently asked me a question on Fascism and Nationalism and this is the answer I gave them-

Anyway, what does nationalism mean to you? Do you believe in civic nationalism [loyalty to a central government and belief that the nation is a set of lines on the map, a Turk with a passport from your central government is your brother but a man of your same people who lives on the other side of the imaginary line is an alien?] or do you believe in ethnic nationalism?


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I believe that the purpose of the state is to conserve and preserve the race of those who founded and built the state. The idea of civic nationalism is empty, it is meaningless jingoism.

I've often said that American nationalism is a worthless jingoism whereby fat slobs cheer about the bombing of a nation they've never heard of and could never find on a map, while their country is flooded with aliens.

The primary reason men form states and governments is not to preserve an economic system but to protect themselves and their posterity and to preserve their property rights.

Marx taught that labor was a commodity free to flow across borders as any other resource would. He put the workers on par with resources or finished goods. He was a hypocrite who lived off of stipends from Engels whose father owned a mill in England. Marx also lived off of inheritance from an uncle and his stock market investments. He never worked a day in his life. We don't need communists in their ivory towers to tell us how to lift up the workers because they don't know the first thing about working!

Internationalism cannot be afforded by the workers or the small business/land owners. An elite fat cat capitalist can move to another nation freely and easily without incurring much in the way of losses, but a young worker trying to make his way in life cannot simply pack up and move to Brazil because the jobs have gone to Brazil.


The nationalism of the conservatives or the reactionaries is a very empty nationalism, it is Hapsburg style civic nationalism where anybody with a piece of paper declaring him to be a citizen in Empire X or Nation A worships the central government and bows to the flag and he is to be accepted as a citizen of that nation. It doesn't matter if his ancestors just stepped off of some boat and he doesn't even speak the language let alone share the blood of the founders of the nation. It doesn't matter if his ancestors never even conceived of the idea of a Republic, he is to be embraced and accepted into a Republic that his people never had the thought to form on their own.

Nationalism of an ethnic sort actually makes sense, each group seeks to promote the interests of their own group and secure the good things in life for their groups. Right now most groups in the world are doing a reasonably fair job of things and they are naturally taking advantage of European self-denial and self-loathing. Basically we have Germans in Germany denying that German even exists as a separate and distinct group while apologizing for being Germans, while the Turks are not ashamed to be Turkish and readily admit they are different. It is very disheartening to see predators cower before the prey. Not that I am calling for any sort of predatory relationship between the Germans and the Turks.


I am against militarism as it leads to run-away spending and inevitably requires central banks which simply perpetrate and fuel the vicious cycle. Central banks will inevitably lead to standing armies because standing armies will be required to keep the people from rising up and destroying the bank, and standing armies will require massive taxes and central banks to finance.


The goal of a fascist regime should be to protect the sovereignty of the nation, protect the character and composition of the nation, preserve the purity of the blood/heritage of the members of the nation, and promote a cultural revolution so that people think of themselves as part of the greater fascist community and identify with this community, so they voluntarily help their neighbors, friends, townsmen, etc. The socialism is not coerced as with the Marxists and it is not cheap pity and insulting sentimentality as with the social democrats, it will come from a deep and abiding love based on shared history and shared blood.


Conservatives can never understand that and they can never counter revolutionary leftists. The leftists declare war on 8 or 9 aspects of conservative society, the conservatives dig their heels in, the leftists win 1 or 2 battles and then go quiet for a while, with the conservatives declaring victory for keeping most of their society unchanged, but they have lost ground and will soon lose more ground when the left musters a new attack. Reactionaries always seek a return to a past that nobody is even old enough to remember, and even fewer want brought back to life, they have little to offer.


Fascism is a movement that transcends class and promotes a revolutionary change in how men interact with each other and how they relate to the state. The foundation of fascism is a strong liberty for the state and the citizens in regards to their relation to the state and freedom of commerce in regards to the natural barter/exchange process between men [I can trade you a bushel of apples for a pair of boots, we don't need to pay some transaction tax to a capitalist system and we don't need to get approval from a marxist commissar].

Well I consider myself a nationalist. It doesn't mean I put my nation in front of others or I support my government. I don't. I don't hate foreigners in my country. What I hate is foreign i powers that influence our politics, be it West or East. I think for small group of people to survive they have to be determined and devoted. And internationalism You've mentioned is everywhere especially in Europe. Maybe moving to Brasil for work is crazy, but Brits don't mind going to other Commonwealth countries thousands miles away. I know 19 year old lad now working in New Zealand farm.

Regular wrote:Well I consider myself a nationalist. It doesn't mean I put my nation in front of others or I support my government. I don't. I don't hate foreigners in my country. What I hate is foreign i powers that influence our politics, be it West or East. I think for small group of people to survive they have to be determined and devoted. And internationalism You've mentioned is everywhere especially in Europe. Maybe moving to Brasil for work is crazy, but Brits don't mind going to other Commonwealth countries thousands miles away. I know 19 year old lad now working in New Zealand farm.

Poor young people who feel compelled by economic conditions to leave Slovakia and work in Germany or leave Italy and work in Britain or something along those lines, cannot rightly be considered internationalists. They are forced into moving and they gain very little from it. A young man from Romania who moves to Britain and shares an apartment with five other Romanian men so they can work for a year and then move back to Romania, isn't really reaping the sort of benefits that a factory owner who moves one factory to China and another to Vietnam [to save 95% on labor costs] is reaping.


As for the British moving around to Commonwealth countries, the Brits have lived alongside the age-old rootless vagabond for so long [ever since Cromwell lifted the ban against them and let them back into Britain] that they have adopted many of the behaviors and values of those wanderers.

Regular wrote:Well I consider myself a nationalist. It doesn't mean I put my nation in front of others or I support my government. I don't. I don't hate foreigners in my country. What I hate is foreign i powers that influence our politics, be it West or East. I think for small group of people to survive they have to be determined and devoted. And internationalism You've mentioned is everywhere especially in Europe. Maybe moving to Brasil for work is crazy, but Brits don't mind going to other Commonwealth countries thousands miles away. I know 19 year old lad now working in New Zealand farm.

I cannot call myself an American nationalist because there is no "America" ethnic group, it is a contrived media/government created term. In some states, 20% of people list their race as "American" when asked what race they consider themselves. American is no more a race than Yugoslav or Soviet would be a race.


I've been thinking of leaving America and moving elsewhere, either to work or to simply live. I don't really want to raise a family in America because there's no point in having children if they are going to be raised in a cesspool of sin, corruption, sex, drugs, and wind up being given over to the Beast. Morally having children in the USA is almost the equivalent of having children in a North Korean gulag, except in the USA they don't get starved or worked to death, they just get encouraged and taught to be perverts and degenerates.


I'd prefer to be able to go somewhere where the national culture and values are such that any daughters I raise at least have a chance to get married at 20 and still be virgins at their wedding, and any sons I raise have a reasonable chance of reaching manhood without having contaminated their bodies with drugs or contracted some nasty sexually transmitted infection that will follow them for life.


Just as an FYI, 30% of all Americans have genital herpes, the viral infection that never goes away.

http://www.webmd.com/genital-herpes/guide/what-is-it




I'm just not sure where to go, but there must be some place with less intrusive government, less bureaucracy, and more freedom... Ideally it will be some place where I have at least some language skills.

BTRfan wrote:


Poor young people who feel compelled by economic conditions to leave Slovakia and work in Germany or leave Italy and work in Britain or something along those lines, cannot rightly be considered internationalists. They are forced into moving and they gain very little from it. A young man from Romania who moves to Britain and shares an apartment with five other Romanian men so they can work for a year and then move back to Romania, isn't really reaping the sort of benefits that a factory owner who moves one factory to China and another to Vietnam [to save 95% on labor costs] is reaping.

Well You are right. They are not internationalists by definition,just immigrant workers, you can clearly see internationalism among certain groups, for example artists, scientists and etc.

As for the British moving around to Commonwealth countries, the Brits have lived alongside the age-old rootless vagabond for so long [ever since Cromwell lifted the ban against them and let them back into Britain] that they have adopted many of the behaviors and values of those wanderers.

Can You tell me what are those?

BTRfan wrote:I'd prefer to be able to go somewhere where the national culture and values are such that any daughters I raise at least have a chance to get married at 20 and still be virgins at their wedding, and any sons I raise have a reasonable chance of reaching manhood without having contaminated their bodies with drugs or contracted some nasty sexually transmitted infection that will follow them for life.

Sorry dude, such a country just doesn't exist
And if it did, then you'd be sure that they'd have other serious problems.

But you're welcome to come to Russia anyway, preferably raising a big family; more people here can't hurt

BTRfan wrote:
I cannot call myself an American nationalist because there is no "America" ethnic group, it is a contrived media/government created term.

When You say American nationalist I imagine typical hillbilly that has american flag on his baseball cap and praises everything that is made in U S of A.
For example for me nationalism is my heritage, old customs, not commercial shit that is being pushed by west. Just like Christianity was enforced by German crusaders against Baltic people in middle ages.
We are being told that Western world is superior in almost every aspect to my people. Everyday I find this not true.

In some states, 20% of people list their race as "American" when asked what race they consider themselves. American is no more a race than Yugoslav or Soviet would be a race.

How can You list it as a race? Caucasian, African, Asian. They are races.

I've been thinking of leaving America and moving elsewhere, either to work or to simply live. I don't really want to raise a family in America because there's no point in having children if they are going to be raised in a cesspool of sin, corruption, sex, drugs, and wind up being given over to the Beast. Morally having children in the USA is almost the equivalent of having children in a North Korean gulag, except in the USA they don't get starved or worked to death, they just get encouraged and taught to be perverts and degenerates.

Well don't know if You can run away from it. You can protect them best by good education. You should see how Eastern Europe was living 15 years ago and people survived, we didn't become perverts or degenerates.

I'd prefer to be able to go somewhere where the national culture and values are such that any daughters I raise at least have a chance to get married at 20 and still be virgins at their wedding, and any sons I raise have a reasonable chance of reaching manhood without having contaminated their bodies with drugs or contracted some nasty sexually transmitted infection that will follow them for life.

It really sounds like Utopia to me. I would be more concerned about them having good education than their virginity.

Just as an FYI, 30% of all Americans have genital herpes, the viral infection that never goes away.

http://www.webmd.com/genital-herpes/guide/what-is-it

Surprisingly low number. Probably it is higher in other countries with worse conditions.

I'm just not sure where to go, but there must be some place with less intrusive government, less bureaucracy, and more freedom... Ideally it will be some place where I have at least some language skills.

Less bureaucracy and less intrusive government? Not Eastern Europe for sure. What do You call freedom? I have no doubt that people in North Korea feel free to their understanding.
How old are You? What languages do You speak? You would like Scandinavian countries, but some things might not be to you liking.

flamming_python wrote:
Sorry dude, such a country just doesn't exist
And if it did, then you'd be sure that they'd have other serious problems.

So true.
Sorry for offtopic, but what are the chances of foreigner of getting job in Russia. Not talking about gostarbeiters ...

Regular wrote:

BTRfan wrote:
I cannot call myself an American nationalist because there is no "America" ethnic group, it is a contrived media/government created term.

When You say American nationalist I imagine typical hillbilly that has american flag on his baseball cap and praises everything that is made in U S of A.
For example for me nationalism is my heritage, old customs, not commercial shit that is being pushed by west. Just like Christianity was enforced by German crusaders against Baltic people in middle ages.
We are being told that Western world is superior in almost every aspect to my people. Everyday I find this not true.

In some states, 20% of people list their race as "American" when asked what race they consider themselves. American is no more a race than Yugoslav or Soviet would be a race.

How can You list it as a race? Caucasian, African, Asian. They are races.

I've been thinking of leaving America and moving elsewhere, either to work or to simply live. I don't really want to raise a family in America because there's no point in having children if they are going to be raised in a cesspool of sin, corruption, sex, drugs, and wind up being given over to the Beast. Morally having children in the USA is almost the equivalent of having children in a North Korean gulag, except in the USA they don't get starved or worked to death, they just get encouraged and taught to be perverts and degenerates.

Well don't know if You can run away from it. You can protect them best by good education. You should see how Eastern Europe was living 15 years ago and people survived, we didn't become perverts or degenerates.

I'd prefer to be able to go somewhere where the national culture and values are such that any daughters I raise at least have a chance to get married at 20 and still be virgins at their wedding, and any sons I raise have a reasonable chance of reaching manhood without having contaminated their bodies with drugs or contracted some nasty sexually transmitted infection that will follow them for life.

It really sounds like Utopia to me. I would be more concerned about them having good education than their virginity.

Just as an FYI, 30% of all Americans have genital herpes, the viral infection that never goes away.

http://www.webmd.com/genital-herpes/guide/what-is-it

Surprisingly low number. Probably it is higher in other countries with worse conditions.

I'm just not sure where to go, but there must be some place with less intrusive government, less bureaucracy, and more freedom... Ideally it will be some place where I have at least some language skills.

Less bureaucracy and less intrusive government? Not Eastern Europe for sure. What do You call freedom? I have no doubt that people in North Korea feel free to their understanding.
How old are You? What languages to You speak? You would like Scandinavian countries, but some things might not be to you liking.

I am almost 27, obviously I speak English, and I have 3.5 years of classroom education with Spanish. I've also spent a semester studying German and have spent some time on my own studying German and Afrikaans. A few years ago I took a US government exam that measured my ability to learn Romance languages and I scored a 98% on it. They give you an artificial language with grammar rules and sentence structure rules very similar to Spanish, but with artificial words, a unique/fake alphabet, and with the basic rules explained and a few sample words given, you are asked to translate entire sentences from the fake language into English.



The countries I've been thinking about are Romania and Chile. I've also considered working [but not moving my residence/citizenship] in Iran or some other nations.

I have one four year degree and I am presently a few classes away from finishing two additional technical science degrees.


I also have around 60 firearms, and I really don't want to leave any of them behind. Chile has provisions for owning upwards of 8+ guns and I figure if I could get citizenship there and make some connections I might be able to get cleared to have the rest with me, although some of them are suppressed (the man on the street would say "silenced" even though there is nothing that is whipser quiet, they all make some noise) and that might be an issue.

I also have about 800+ books, some of which would be banned in nations such as Germany, Austria, etc... But I wouldn't live in Austria or Germany anyway. Even though I am mostly German, I could never live in Germany.



I've thought about Russia or Ukraine but I only know about a dozen or so words in either language [I would of course diligently try to learn and establish fluency], but to my knowledge Russia has no real provision to allow citizens to much more than shotguns and some small capacity rifles.



Edit- not sure exactly how many books I have, but I have a 5 shelf bookcase entirely filled, and then I have 5 three shelf book-cases that are entirely filled, and I have books on the floor and books in closets. I probably need at least 2-3 more book-cases with at least 3-4 shelves each.

Regular wrote:

BTRfan wrote:
I cannot call myself an American nationalist because there is no "America" ethnic group, it is a contrived media/government created term.

When You say American nationalist I imagine typical hillbilly that has american flag on his baseball cap and praises everything that is made in U S of A.
For example for me nationalism is my heritage, old customs, not commercial shit that is being pushed by west. Just like Christianity was enforced by German crusaders against Baltic people in middle ages.
We are being told that Western world is superior in almost every aspect to my people. Everyday I find this not true.

In some states, 20% of people list their race as "American" when asked what race they consider themselves. American is no more a race than Yugoslav or Soviet would be a race.

How can You list it as a race? Caucasian, African, Asian. They are races.

I've been thinking of leaving America and moving elsewhere, either to work or to simply live. I don't really want to raise a family in America because there's no point in having children if they are going to be raised in a cesspool of sin, corruption, sex, drugs, and wind up being given over to the Beast. Morally having children in the USA is almost the equivalent of having children in a North Korean gulag, except in the USA they don't get starved or worked to death, they just get encouraged and taught to be perverts and degenerates.

Well don't know if You can run away from it. You can protect them best by good education. You should see how Eastern Europe was living 15 years ago and people survived, we didn't become perverts or degenerates.

I'd prefer to be able to go somewhere where the national culture and values are such that any daughters I raise at least have a chance to get married at 20 and still be virgins at their wedding, and any sons I raise have a reasonable chance of reaching manhood without having contaminated their bodies with drugs or contracted some nasty sexually transmitted infection that will follow them for life.

It really sounds like Utopia to me. I would be more concerned about them having good education than their virginity.

Just as an FYI, 30% of all Americans have genital herpes, the viral infection that never goes away.

http://www.webmd.com/genital-herpes/guide/what-is-it

Surprisingly low number. Probably it is higher in other countries with worse conditions.

I'm just not sure where to go, but there must be some place with less intrusive government, less bureaucracy, and more freedom... Ideally it will be some place where I have at least some language skills.

Less bureaucracy and less intrusive government? Not Eastern Europe for sure. What do You call freedom? I have no doubt that people in North Korea feel free to their understanding.
How old are You? What languages do You speak? You would like Scandinavian countries, but some things might not be to you liking.

I don't believe I would even want to visit Sweden or Norway. The people are highly degenerate, taxes are absurd, gun laws are strict, and they are handing their nations over to foreigners. About the only thing decent is that nations such as Sweden and Denmark actually have stronger property rights and a greater ease of doing business [contracts, etc] than the USA.

The left in the USA loves to praise "Nordic socialism" but we are copying all of the problems of Scandinavia and none of their assets, none of the property rights and contract theories.

BTRfan wrote:..

You are still young to learn. But people in America live easy life.
But You are contradicting Yourself on some points. You want more freedom and less bureaucracy, but You want to move to Romania and even work in Iran. Seriously? Don't know nothing about Chile, but it can't be perfect country as they... don't exist. Have You ever visited any other country?
You want Your children to be virgins until they basically reach Your age now, but You want to move to Eastern Europe.
No offence to You, but here we grow up fast, we are pretending that we are adults by the age of 16. Only chastity belts would work. And not to mention wide variety of STD's that are rampant too. Thanks to stigma and shame that comes with them.
But it's Your life and Your choice.
For example I found Russians that grew up in America very soft compared to ones that grew up in Russia. Plus they can't swear at all.
They don't fare good when they get back to their countries.

My humble suggestion for You is to create perfected country in Your environment. Surround Yourself with things that You like, sure America is not perfect, but You have something that loads of countries could even thing of.

Even in a country where I feel like fly in a soup I can make my home a place where I feel good.

And I recommend You to visit those countries You've mentioned. Sometimes traveling can open Your eyes. My best friend is leaving for Mexico and he never imagined himself living in other country. He found his paradise there, but he had to visit this country couple times to make sure.

[quote="Regular"]

BTRfan wrote:

I've been thinking of leaving America and moving elsewhere, either to work or to simply live. I don't really want to raise a family in America because there's no point in having children if they are going to be raised in a cesspool of sin, corruption, sex, drugs, and wind up being given over to the Beast. Morally having children in the USA is almost the equivalent of having children in a North Korean gulag, except in the USA they don't get starved or worked to death, they just get encouraged and taught to be perverts and degenerates.

Well don't know if You can run away from it. You can protect them best by good education. You should see how Eastern Europe was living 15 years ago and people survived, we didn't become perverts or degenerates.

I'd prefer to be able to go somewhere where the national culture and values are such that any daughters I raise at least have a chance to get married at 20 and still be virgins at their wedding, and any sons I raise have a reasonable chance of reaching manhood without having contaminated their bodies with drugs or contracted some nasty sexually transmitted infection that will follow them for life.

It really sounds like Utopia to me. I would be more concerned about them having good education than their virginity.

Just as an FYI, 30% of all Americans have genital herpes, the viral infection that never goes away.

http://www.webmd.com/genital-herpes/guide/what-is-it

Surprisingly low number. Probably it is higher in other countries with worse conditions.

I'm just not sure where to go, but there must be some place with less intrusive government, less bureaucracy, and more freedom... Ideally it will be some place where I have at least some language skills.

Less bureaucracy and less intrusive government? Not Eastern Europe for sure. What do You call freedom? I have no doubt that people in North Korea feel free to their understanding.
How old are You? What languages do You speak? You would like Scandinavian countries, but some things might not be to you liking.

A good education is subjective. I went through accelerated, advanced, and honors programs in high school while many others went through the basic track of regular classes. I was in the top 20% of my graduating class and probably would have been in the top 5% but I was repeatedly suspended for discipline issues, almost all of which related to political issues and my refusal to let others walk all over me and abuse me [physically or verbally]. Missing four to five weeks due to suspensions, on top of one or two weeks for normal illnesses, during high school, takes a toll.

I still managed to graduate with high honors because a lot of my teachers allowed me to make up the work I missed for full credit because they understood how much I cared and how I was being mistreated by the school administrators.

Back in high school my chemistry teacher once met with my father to tell him that I was the most dedicated and the most skilled chemistry student out of all of his classes that year. I had an A and while I didn't have the highest A, the teacher made it clear that I was the most dedicated and wasn't merely memorizing the periodic table and memorizing equations and formulas.

My US History teacher actually gave me an award at the annual award's ceremony, picking me out of all of her approximately 120 students, declaring me to be the most dedicated and involved history student. I still have the plaque.



I have a friend who dropped out of high school during the 9th grade and he went on to teach himself C, C++, Visual Basic, HTML, SQL, Java, and he taught himself Ancient Greek [he has done translations from Ancient Greek into English and he can read Ancient Greek just about as easily as English]. School isn't the end all be all and it isn't necessarily the best place to obtain an education.

I have saved pretty much all of my textbooks from middle school, high school, and college, along with all of my essays, my term papers, my tests, my writings, class projects, chemistry labs, and I'm almost thinking I might just want to share all of those things with any kids I have.


In college I had a philosophy professor who thanked me for improving him as a professor at the end of the semester when we were shaking hands and saying our farewells. I also thanked him for improving me as a student and a person. He said that, "you sir truly get it, you understand."


My two law professors [both practicing attorneys] told me to go to law school, but I didn't have the money to go to law school. I have also had several other lawyers tell me that I should go to law school. One even said, "you absolutely must go to law school."



I've done fairly well with math, chemistry, engineering/technology/science classes, but I've always done exceptionally well in law, philosophy, psychology, management, things involving theoretical concepts, abstract ideas, and people.



My father taught me a great deal when I was young. I was the only 6 year old in my class who knew about negative numbers and understood the concept of negative numbers, how you could have numbers less than zero, the concept of infinity, square roots, and exponents, because my father spent the time to instruct me.

Even going back to pre-school (around age 4), my dad said that I was something of a bother for the women who ran the school. I once stood up, at age four, shouted, "come on follow me, let's get out of here!" and led the entire class as we darted into the hallway and the teacher came rushing after us.

My dad told me that I never had a problem drawing a following, getting others to follow me [even physically when they followed me out of the room] but I was always something of a bother for teachers and such.


Elementary school was so boring for me that I eventually wound up being sent once per week to an advanced/accelerated program for local gifted children to do independent semester long study under the supervision of a single teacher. Basically back at school on Monday when the teacher passed out the homework for the rest of the week, I would do all of the assignments within an hour or two of her having passed them out and then I would be so bored I would start to do the work of other students, I would converse with other students, and eventually the teacher would eject me from class or tell me to go to the principal's office.

I believe I can teach any children I have what they need to know to enter the world as young adults, prepared for whatever path they want to embark on. That's not to say I can turn them into engineers, lawyers, or surgeons, nothing of the sort. But I believe I could equip them with the thought process, the skills, the knowledge, to be able to successfully learn and digest what they need to get into engineering school, law school, medical school.


Perhaps more importantly, I believe I could teach them, mostly by example, how to live a decent and moral life and how to treat others, while also realizing that many people may seek to cheat, swindle, or harm, those who are unaware.



I'd like any children I have to at least be able to have the same opportunities I had, but those days are largely gone. Kids are not allowed to be kids these days...

I was about 10-11 years old at the airport in 1996 on my way to British Columbia for a vacation at a ski resort, and the lady at the counter asked, "did you leave your bags unattended, did you put anything in them?" and I immediately chuckled, "yeah, I put a bomb in there, what do you think?!" because I thought, 'well that's a stupid question, a stupid question deserves a stupid answer.' [I was VERY sarcastic as a child, a quality I have kept with me].

The woman then said, "little boy, that's not something you can joke up, that's not funny, people get scared over things like that, you shouldn't talk like that, if you were a grown-up you could even get in trouble." I then said, "I'm sorry, I didn't mean to scare anybody, I just thought it was a silly question, we wouldn't ever put something like that in our bags, I'm sorry, I won't ever say anything like that again."

She then pointed to a nearby sign which described what not to put in your bags and said, "we take all of those things seriously, so don't talk like that again."

I then replied, "I won't, I'm sorry." [and I never did anything even close to that again]


She then let us go but the locks were cut off of bags and the bags were searched. Everything was still inside but the clothing had been shifted around.

Today a 10-11 year old boy would have been body-slammed by the nearest cop or the nearest TSA goon and then pepper sprayed and tazed after they smashed him onto the ground. They would have arrested him, charged him with a felony, and they might even charge the parents.



I simply cannot conceive of a future for myself in America, at least not a future I would yearn for and enjoy. The American dream is illusory, it is dead, it has not only died but it has morphed into the American nightmare. Taxes, regulations, debt, divorce, broken families, and working yourself into an early grave for children you never see and a government that demands you work harder so they can pay for their latest war or their latest social welfare program.


I do not wish part of what this nation has become. I do not want to contribute to the system and help it to sustain itself and continue along.

There is no future in America for those who value the Constitution and who have at least a basic sense of decency and morality, to say nothing of those who have a more advanced sense of philosophy, theology, and morality.


If your idea of the American dream is living in subsidized housing, binge drinking, random and meaningless sexual encounters with countless sluts, drug use, food stamps, and perhaps working but only when it suits you, then America is a paradise.

America is a paradise for the sheeple, the zombies, the slumbering masses.

Regular wrote:

flamming_python wrote:
Sorry dude, such a country just doesn't exist
And if it did, then you'd be sure that they'd have other serious problems.

So true.
Sorry for offtopic, but what are the chances of foreigner of getting job in Russia. Not talking about gostarbeiters ...

Pretty good if you have some skills and/or experience (but not more lawyers or economy graduates plz we have enough of those)
And if you don't well then prepare to work gasterbajter-style

BTRfan wrote:
I don't believe I would even want to visit Sweden or Norway. The people are highly degenerate, taxes are absurd, gun laws are strict, and they are handing their nations over to foreigners. About the only thing decent is that nations such as Sweden and Denmark actually have stronger property rights and a greater ease of doing business [contracts, etc] than the USA.

The left in the USA loves to praise "Nordic socialism" but we are copying all of the problems of Scandinavia and none of their assets, none of the property rights and contract theories.

May I ask You how do You judge people? Sorry, but it's sounds very immature.

BTRfan wrote:...

Your insistence on bringing your arsenal along is what's going to tie your hands I think. Do Romania or Chile allow such quantities of weapons to be kept?
Well of course these countries have their own problems, but if you are a specialist (let's say you have at least 5 years of experience in your field) I reckon you can find quite decent work there.
I don't know what their laws are like but maybe try some other ex-Soviet countries such as Kazakhstan or Georgia - they could offer what you're looking for too.
Actually the more I think about it - the more I think that the Caucasus mountains for example might be just the place for you. The people and youth have quite traditional values and as for your guns well now bring all you can coz you'll need them
RT did a story on this 60 year old American who came to live in South Ossetia and got a wife there less than half his age.

Only problem was when the Georgians attacked but you see there are positives and negatives to every place in the world.

Of course all these countries like Romania, Chile, etc... and others in South America & Eastern Europe, etc... have problems with poverty, low-wages, unemployment, corruption, low-quality social support (healthcare, education, etc...); so you should make sure that you'll be able to find work and a future there first of all.

Myself - I don't like the way that American and Western Europe is heading in a social and economic sense (ridiculous feminism and emasculation of men, ethnic/religious segregation, legalised gay marriage, destruction of industry, over-reliance on services and bloated financial & legal sectors); so I can totally sympathize with some of your points.
I'm living in Russia now and basically I love it here although I do have far fewer friends than I'm used to (although perhaps better quality ones).

I would consider moving back to Europe or elsewhere under the right circumstances though. I will go where the opportunity is.
But as for raising kids - I would only want to raise them in Russia. Here the values are the right ones; I mean as far as I'm concerned anyway (to each his own).

Regular wrote:

BTRfan wrote:..

You are still young to learn. But people in America live easy life.
But You are contradicting Yourself on some points. You want more freedom and less bureaucracy, but You want to move to Romania and even work in Iran. Seriously? Don't know nothing about Chile, but it can't be perfect country as they... don't exist. Have You ever visited any other country?
You want Your children to be virgins until they basically reach Your age now, but You want to move to Eastern Europe.
No offence to You, but here we grow up fast, we are pretending that we are adults by the age of 16. Only chastity belts would work. And not to mention wide variety of STD's that are rampant too. Thanks to stigma and shame that comes with them.
But it's Your life and Your choice.
For example I found Russians that grew up in America very soft compared to ones that grew up in Russia. Plus they can't swear at all.
They don't fare good when they get back to their countries.

My humble suggestion for You is to create perfected country in Your environment. Surround Yourself with things that You like, sure America is not perfect, but You have something that loads of countries could even thing of.

Even in a country where I feel like fly in a soup I can make my home a place where I feel good.

And I recommend You to visit those countries You've mentioned. Sometimes traveling can open Your eyes. My best friend is leaving for Mexico and he never imagined himself living in other country. He found his paradise there, but he had to visit this country couple times to make sure.

I've been to Europe once and Canada a dozen or so times, and to just about every state in the USA.

Americans don't travel internationally as much as Europeans because of the costs associated in time and money. A German or the Frenchman may have 6 weeks of paid vacation per year, he can hop on a train and spend a week in Spain, a weekend in Portugal, then a week in Italy, a week in Denmark, or he could go on a road-trip and spend a few days in just about every country in Western/Central Europe within 3-4 weeks.

Americans get at most 3-4 weeks of paid vacation and that's usually only after 5+ years at the same company. Not to mention that most companies seriously frown on you using more than one week of vacation at a time.


America is basically the size of Europe, we have 50 states that could easily be 50 countries, so when an American goes on a summer road-trip during a college break and spends time in 8-9 states, that is basically the equivalent of what a European might do, except the American never leaves his own nation, the culture is largely the same in each location he goes to, the language is the same in each location, but there is a widely varying geography, history, and there are other local considerations.



Also, my great aunt from Italy married at 13 [to a boy who was 14 or 15] and had at least a dozen children. In America it is essentially unheard of for people to marry at 16 or 17, parents say, "no way! I will never allow that!" but then when it comes to promiscuity they say, "well what can we do, we cannot stop that."



America doesn't allow children to be children but it also doesn't prepare them for adulthood.


I recently read a comment on MSNBC news site from a poster/reader who declared that a 22 year old man tried to ask his 17 year old daughter out on a date and. He wrote, "she is still a child, he is still an adult, that's the law, and in my book he's a pedophile child rapist and should be treated like one."

That man doesn't even know what the definition of a pedophile is. A 22 year old male who is attracted to a 17 year old female can NOT be a pedophile because she is a young woman, a sexually mature and physically mature [maybe not emotionally mature] young woman.


So we have a system in the USA where parents treat their children like children, the law treats a child like a child, they cannot work on construction sites, they cannot work in factories, they cannot vote, they cannot enter into contracts, they cannot purchase weaponry, they cannot do much of anything... When they're 17 years and 364 days old they are a child, with no more rights than a toddler, except they might be allowed to drive if they have a license... The very next day, at exactly 18 years old, they have a massive amount of rights dumped on them.

Historically in the 1800s and early 1900s, a father might have to leave his 12-14 year old alone for several weeks while he delivered a herd of cattle to Abilene. The boy would watch the farm/ranch and keep a handle on things. Today if you leave a 12 year old alone for a weekend expect the police to be called, expect child protective services to take your family away, and perhaps your son might even invite the neighbors to call police by throwing a loud noisy party and trashing your house.


In the old days a child might go to work with his father and would have several years of skills, knowledge, and experience.


In America we don't allow parents to guide their children into adulthood, we use laws that declare children are children until the day they turn 18, but even then they cannot rent a car [no car rental agency will rent to those below 25 without special provisions], they cannot buy a handgun [age limit 21], and they cannot drink or purchase alcohol [age 21], but the law declares they are now an adult, but they don't know how to be an adult, nobody has prepared them for adulthood, nobody has taught them.


What I'm getting at, I wouldn't be horrified if I had a daughter and she lost her virginity at 16 because she was married at 16 to a similarly mature guy who was 16-20 years old, as long as I believed the man to be intelligent and determined to provide for her and the family they were going to make.

Most Americans would be horrified at the idea of their 16 year old daughter getting married because "it will interfere with her college and her career!" [as though we live to work and the sole purpose in life is to have a career, punch a clock, work 9 to 5, and then die] but they wouldn't be too upset if she had sex as long as she took precautions to avoid pregnancy, and if she became pregnant they'd want her to put it up for adoption or get an abortion, even though it would be their grandchild!



Women seem to believe that a man cares what her career is. I've noticed a lot of women with horrible personalities brag about their careers. I could care less if the woman is a waitress at a coffee shop, a farmer, or the CEO of a major law firm, it doesn't matter. A man doesn't place the sort of value on the status of his woman's career that a woman places on her man's career.


The American model is that a woman is expected to wait until age 30-35 to marry and begin having children, because she should spend age 18-22 in college earning a 4 year degree, and maybe even spend another 3 years earning a masters degree. After that she should get into a career and spend the next 5-10 years getting settled in the career before she meets a man and possibly marries him.

I could show you a graph based on a long-term study, a woman's ability to meaningfully bond with her husband drops like a rock if she's had more than two sex partners before going with her husband. Most American women will have more than 2 sex partners by age 20, to say nothing of 30-35. I've known some women who had racked up several dozen sex partners by age 30, some who racked up 5-6 by age 20. They're not going to have happy and stable family lives and in the end their career won't count for shit because their career isn't going to live on as a legacy, their career isn't going to hug them, draw a birthday card for them, make them soup when they're sick, their career won't give them grandchildren, their career won't do anything like that for them.

In America women have spoken, they want careers and money, materialism. Dogs and cats replace husbands and children. Most American women are spiritually empty and they try to fill this void with alcohol, drugs, random sex, expensive vacations, dresses, etc... Somewhere around half of all American women are on psychotropic medication at any given time, mostly anti-depressants. No matter how much money they make, how many toys they buy, it is never enough, they are still depressed because they have a sickness in the soul.




I know I cannot and will not marry an American woman. I have considered the possibility of working overseas for X years and along the way meeting and marrying a foreign woman [Romania would probably be on high on my list for this route, but I'd need to learn more about Romanian culture, values, attitudes, and of course their language], but I don't want to live in or near a city in the USA, I'd prefer to live in rural South Dakota, North Dakota, or Montana, with 50-100 acres of land, raising my own livestock and growing my own food.

America has a TOXIC impact on foreigners, especially women. American women are generally bitter and jealous bitches who will poison the minds of foreign women if they get the chance.

Just look at the "International Marriage Broker Regulation Act" passed during the George W Bush years at the insistence of American feminists because several foreign women were killed by their American husbands. This law mandates that any American man wanting to use a dating agency to contact a woman must definitively establish he is not a criminal before his information can be shared by the agency with the woman or before her information can be shared with him. They automatically assume he is guilty and he has to prove he is not a criminal, at his cost.


It is the same reason why American automobile companies demand sanctions and tariffs against foreign car companies. They make crap that Americans don't want to buy, Americans see that they have better options if they buy an import, the domestic models cannot compete with the foreign models, so the companies in the USA use political capital to get import restrictions placed on foreign cars.

American women don't have what American men want, they are fat, ugly, bitter, nasty, petty, vindicative, they are often covered in tattoos [about 40% of people in the USA have tattoos, with about 42% of women having them], they are very unloyal, very prone to divorce [about 80% of divorces in the USA are initiated by women], and they just don't have what men are looking for, so men look elsewhere.

But American women do not want anything to challenge their monopoly, they want American men to have to bow before them and play their game if they want sex/wife/family/kids, so they cry, "foreign women are being abused by horrible American men, we need to protect those foreign women and make it harder for American men to contact them!" and they get legislation that cuts back on the competition from foreign nations.



If the globalists actually applied their free trade globalist rhetoric to dating, then American women would be sunk.

I've read plenty written by American men who only date foreign women and I've spoken with American men who only date foreign women... I've come to realize that most American men have no idea what they're missing, they are dangerously coasting through life on auto-pilot, they don't realize that in the USA because of family law the women hold all the cards and can destroy them on a whim, and they will continue to involve themselves with American women, much to their detriment.

In the USA if you marry an American woman, she can absolutely and totally destroy you using the legal system. She can divorce you, take most of your assets, take your children away from you, and take most of your salary/wages for the next 20+ years. She will face no social condemnation, her church will not call her to task for her behavior, her family will support her, and even your family will probably turn against you as your parents try to keep friendly relations with her in hope of still being able to see their grandkids. The only thing that you have to prevent her from using her legal, social, and cultural power to destroy you on a whim, is her character, her good intentions. I refuse to trust my life and my livelihood to the character of a woman and to her supposedly good intentions.


I cannot do it, it cannot and will not happen.

I believe I can safely declare that I will never marry a woman in the United States, Canada, Britain, Australia, or New Zealand [we might as well add the English community in South Africa as well] or anybody born in the Anglo-world. It might be different if the woman was raised in Translyvania and just moved to America with her sister a month ago to go to college.


If the woman was born in America I'm just not interested in her. I'm 6'0 feet tall, about 174 pounds, I try to take care of myself, I'm fairly intelligent, I have no criminal record, I have a number of hobbies, I'm fine with doing work that is mentally taxing or physically taxing [I've done manual labor before], I don't pollute my body with drugs or alcohol, I believe I deserve better than the typical American bloated cow who thinks she is a princess.

A lot of girls play dress up as a princess and their parents tell them they're a princess.


I remember as a young boy my mother used to drive me through poor neighborhoods and encourage me to laugh at poor people while proclaiming that their houses were stains on the community and should be torn down. She also used to encourage me to view others as stupid and weak. She would often say, "that house is a miserable eye sore, they should tear it down" and if I would ask, "but mom, where would they live then?" she'd say, "who cares, that house is ugly."

One day around age 11-12 I ran my mouth at some random lady in front of my dad, when she said I reminded her of her son, I declared that I was probably smarter. My dad chewed me out quite a bit over that. He made it clear, "you probably are right, you're one of the smartest guys I've ever encountered, but don't let those IQ tests and those honors go to your head, I'm not going to stand by and have you putting down other people. That's something your mother would do. So don't you ever talk like that."

He also told me, "don't you ever laugh at somebody because they have less than we do, I work hard for what we have but if things were different we might be on the street or living in a car, maybe your mother thinks it is funny to laugh at people who have less, but it isn't and I won't have you doing that."

After age 12 I was raised exclusively by my father. I'm glad because my mother has no humility and she might have corrupted me. My mother has repeatedly articulated a belief that she will one day become a royal in Europe, at least a Countess or a Duchess, because some European royal or noble will marry her. One day around age 16-17 when I was visiting with her she went off on some rant about how she was going to marry a British prince, why a prince should marry her, how great it would be to live in a palace. I shot her little delusion down in a matter of seconds by saying, "you're 100 pounds overweight, your personality is miserable, and you cheated on my dad with about 8 other guys while married to him, what do you have to offer a British noble, let alone a royal, that would make him want to marry you?"


I'm still fairly cocky but I believe my view of myself and the world around me is grounded solidly in reality. My mother considers herself a future princess.


I consider it a matter of divine intervention that my father was able to have full/sole custody of me as a child after he and my mother divorced. First they had shared custody and then my mother sued for full custody, claiming a whole laundry list of nonsense. The judge met with me, asked me some questions [around age 11-12] and I made it clear that I would not accept living with my mother.

Ultimately my mother went through three different attorneys because the first two were not willing to get on-board with her schemes to lie.

The third attorney she had kept trying to get me to say my father had molested me, my father had done this, that, everything horrible you could imagine, to me. He would say, "now young man, you need to tell the judge about how your father did this to you" and I just looked at him and said, "that never happened and you're a rotten liar, I'm going to tell the judge you told me to lie under oath." That freaked him out and he avoided me like the plague after that.

My mother's second attorney, a woman, quit because my mother was a monster. She eventually ran into the woman who had served as my dad's attorney and my mom's former attorney told my dad's former attorney, "I hope your client and his son are doing well, I hated having to work for that woman... In all of my life I have never had a more vulgar, obscene, disgusting, and vile client, I have never had a client I hated worse than that woman."


That was probably an exceptionally rare case. Almost anytime in the USA when a woman files for full custody, she will receive it, no matter the details or circumstances, unless she shows up to court naked and smoking crack [even then it is a matter for debate].



I just do not want to expose any children I have to that culture, that system, that society. I'd just like to live quietly, raise chickens, plant crops, and spend my time advancing my martial arts training and designing small arms.

In today's America, Samuel Colt would have been arrested for manufacturing firearms without a license. Smith and Wesson would be in prison as well, to say nothing of John Browning! If you have the thousands of dollars necessary for the gunsmith/manufacturer permits and the tens of thousands of dollars necessary for the permits to operate light industry, liability insurance, etc, then you're rich enough that you don't need to start a gun company, you don't need to design anything.

In America it has gotten to the point where if you want/need to start a small business to have a livelihood, you have to be rich to begin with. If you want to make a living with a small business, you'll have to have so much money to begin with that you're already rich enough not to have to worry about needing a small business to make a living.

Regular wrote:

BTRfan wrote:
I don't believe I would even want to visit Sweden or Norway. The people are highly degenerate, taxes are absurd, gun laws are strict, and they are handing their nations over to foreigners. About the only thing decent is that nations such as Sweden and Denmark actually have stronger property rights and a greater ease of doing business [contracts, etc] than the USA.

The left in the USA loves to praise "Nordic socialism" but we are copying all of the problems of Scandinavia and none of their assets, none of the property rights and contract theories.

May I ask You how do You judge people? Sorry, but it's sounds very immature.

Look at the massive divorce rate in Sweden, STD rates, it is about as problematic as the USA.


One might expect a high divorce rate in a nation that has experienced war, civil war, etc... We don't see a massive divorce rate in Serbia and they've been repeatedly attacked by NATO.



Google- sweden genderless catalogue

They are now making "genderless" catalogues and declaring that boys can wear clothing traditionally made for girls.



They are also demanding urinals be removed and that men be asked to sit down to urinate.


http://www.whyileftsweden.com/?cat=48


http://www.whyileftsweden.com/

flamming_python wrote:

BTRfan wrote:...

Your insistence on bringing your arsenal along is what's going to tie your hands I think. Do Romania or Chile allow such quantities of weapons to be kept?
Well of course these countries have their own problems, but if you are a specialist (let's say you have at least 5 years of experience in your field) I reckon you can find quite decent work there.
I don't know what their laws are like but maybe try some other ex-Soviet countries such as Kazakhstan or Georgia - they could offer what you're looking for too.
Actually the more I think about it - the more I think that the Caucasus mountains for example might be just the place for you. The people and youth have quite traditional values and as for your guns well now bring all you can coz you'll need them
RT did a story on this 60 year old American who came to live in South Ossetia and got a wife there less than half his age.

Only problem was when the Georgians attacked but you see there are positives and negatives to every place in the world.

Of course all these countries like Romania, Chile, etc... and others in South America & Eastern Europe, etc... have problems with poverty, low-wages, unemployment, corruption, low-quality social support (healthcare, education, etc...); so you should make sure that you'll be able to find work and a future there first of all.

Myself - I don't like the way that American and Western Europe is heading in a social and economic sense (ridiculous feminism and emasculation of men, ethnic/religious segregation, legalised gay marriage, destruction of industry, over-reliance on services and bloated financial & legal sectors); so I can totally sympathize with some of your points.
I'm living in Russia now and basically I love it here although I do have far fewer friends than I'm used to (although perhaps better quality ones).

I would consider moving back to Europe or elsewhere under the right circumstances though. I will go where the opportunity is.
But as for raising kids - I would only want to raise them in Russia. Here the values are the right ones; I mean as far as I'm concerned anyway (to each his own).

Romania probably not, but my understanding is that Romania has traditionally had a culture of rampant corruption and if I were to "donate" X thousands of dollars to some police chief, he might give me a special permit.


Chile actually has some provisions for concealed carry of a pistol for self-defense, their laws are straightforward enough that you can easily have upwards of 8 or so weapons if you belong to a club, but I'm not sure how that works for dozens of weapons.

Chile would probably be much easier than Romania, particularly since it would involve working within the law as opposed to doing an end-run around the law via corrupt local officials.

It might help that I have some science/technology background and I would like to design small arms. Although my background is nuclear/electronic/electrical, not mechanical.

flamming_python wrote:

BTRfan wrote:...

Your insistence on bringing your arsenal along is what's going to tie your hands I think. Do Romania or Chile allow such quantities of weapons to be kept?
Well of course these countries have their own problems, but if you are a specialist (let's say you have at least 5 years of experience in your field) I reckon you can find quite decent work there.
I don't know what their laws are like but maybe try some other ex-Soviet countries such as Kazakhstan or Georgia - they could offer what you're looking for too.
Actually the more I think about it - the more I think that the Caucasus mountains for example might be just the place for you. The people and youth have quite traditional values and as for your guns well now bring all you can coz you'll need them
RT did a story on this 60 year old American who came to live in South Ossetia and got a wife there less than half his age.

Only problem was when the Georgians attacked but you see there are positives and negatives to every place in the world.

Of course all these countries like Romania, Chile, etc... and others in South America & Eastern Europe, etc... have problems with poverty, low-wages, unemployment, corruption, low-quality social support (healthcare, education, etc...); so you should make sure that you'll be able to find work and a future there first of all.

Myself - I don't like the way that American and Western Europe is heading in a social and economic sense (ridiculous feminism and emasculation of men, ethnic/religious segregation, legalised gay marriage, destruction of industry, over-reliance on services and bloated financial & legal sectors); so I can totally sympathize with some of your points.
I'm living in Russia now and basically I love it here although I do have far fewer friends than I'm used to (although perhaps better quality ones).

I would consider moving back to Europe or elsewhere under the right circumstances though. I will go where the opportunity is.
But as for raising kids - I would only want to raise them in Russia. Here the values are the right ones; I mean as far as I'm concerned anyway (to each his own).

I don't think I could ever live in Georgia, they're a NATO lapdog and I don't want to live in a country that believes it is a good idea to pick a fight with a neighboring nation that is infinitely larger and more powerful.

Georgia will have problems for years to come unless they turn away from NATO and try to reconcile with Russia. Even still, if they do that, things will not be easy as the CIA will try to undermine their government, cause riots, spark a coup, or ignite a civil war.

BTRfan wrote:


A good education is subjective. I went through accelerated, advanced, and honors programs in high school while many others went through the basic track of regular classes. I was in the top 20% of my graduating class and probably would have been in the top 5% but I was repeatedly

No it's not. It's not only school but family too. Too bad Your educational system is total fail I can say you that. Just by fact how many of Americans are uneducated. Soviet system is not perfect too, but it was years ahead of western education.

suspended for discipline issues, almost all of which related to political issues and my refusal to let others walk all over me and abuse me [physically or verbally]. Missing four to five weeks due to suspensions, on top of one or two weeks for normal illnesses, during high school, takes a toll.

Wow, In my school You could only get suspended if You literally injured other pupil, but if no one complains then nothing happens. Schools got money from government. And pupil number was important so You could do almost everything and there was small chance You could get expelled. Drugs and guns were no go, but it did happen in 91-93.

I still managed to graduate with high honors because a lot of my teachers allowed me to make up the work I missed for full credit because they understood how much I cared and how I was being mistreated by the school administrators.

Did You have to bring bottle of alcohol or bribes to teachers?

Back in high school my chemistry teacher once met with my father to tell him that I was the most dedicated and the most skilled chemistry student out of all of his classes that year. I had an A and while I didn't have the highest A, the teacher made it clear that I was the most dedicated and wasn't merely memorizing the periodic table and memorizing equations and formulas.

Do You use Your chemistry knowledge in work?

I have a friend who dropped out of high school during the 9th grade and he went on to teach himself C, C++, Visual Basic, HTML, SQL, Java

Same here, my brother followed me too.

School isn't the end all be all and it isn't necessarily the best place to obtain an education.

So true!

My two law professors [both practicing attorneys] told me to go to law school, but I didn't have the money to go to law school. I have also had several other lawyers tell me that I should go to law school. One even said, "you absolutely must go to law school."

Could You get loan for it?

Today a 10-11 year old boy would have been body-slammed by the nearest cop or the nearest TSA goon and then pepper sprayed and tazed after they smashed him onto the ground. They would have arrested him, charged him with a felony, and they might even charge the parents.

That's disgusting...

I simply cannot conceive of a future for myself in America, at least not a future I would yearn for and enjoy. The American dream is illusory, it is dead, it has not only died but it has morphed into the American nightmare.

Is that universal thinking from American people right now?

America is a paradise for the sheeple, the zombies, the slumbering masses.

Or for people that can't use their talents in their own countries. There is still small opportunity window for people who work hard and are talented. But my friends who already found their luck in USA want to emigrate back eventually. Everyone is talking about it.

Regular wrote:

BTRfan wrote:..

You are still young to learn. But people in America live easy life.
But You are contradicting Yourself on some points. You want more freedom and less bureaucracy, but You want to move to Romania and even work in Iran. Seriously? Don't know nothing about Chile, but it can't be perfect country as they... don't exist. Have You ever visited any other country?
You want Your children to be virgins until they basically reach Your age now, but You want to move to Eastern Europe.
No offence to You, but here we grow up fast, we are pretending that we are adults by the age of 16. Only chastity belts would work. And not to mention wide variety of STD's that are rampant too. Thanks to stigma and shame that comes with them.
But it's Your life and Your choice.
For example I found Russians that grew up in America very soft compared to ones that grew up in Russia. Plus they can't swear at all.
They don't fare good when they get back to their countries.

My humble suggestion for You is to create perfected country in Your environment. Surround Yourself with things that You like, sure America is not perfect, but You have something that loads of countries could even thing of.

Even in a country where I feel like fly in a soup I can make my home a place where I feel good.

And I recommend You to visit those countries You've mentioned. Sometimes traveling can open Your eyes. My best friend is leaving for Mexico and he never imagined himself living in other country. He found his paradise there, but he had to visit this country couple times to make sure.

Actually I'm not a virgin, I have some experience with American women. We would have been together as husband/wife but she couldn't keep up her end of the contract... A lot of women have problems with loyalty/fidelity.


I would hope any children I have are not virgins into their 20s, I would hope they have a healthy and normal [non-sexual] dating relationship/courtship that might begin at age 15-17, and that they marry between ages 17 and 20, or whenever they are ready to begin having a family. It's not the end of the world if a teen has sex with another teen at age 17 or 18 or 19 or whatever.

In America there is a substantial problem with young people having STDs and of course teen pregnancies. In 1880 it wouldn't be abnormal for a 16 year old to have a baby because she might very well have been married at age 15 and this would be her first child, it would be expected that children would result from the marriage.

Today we have 15-16 year old girls having children and they often have little idea who the father is.


My mother was performing an STD exam on a patient and informed the mother of the 13 year old girl, "your daughter is pregnant and she has gonorrhea" and the woman started jumping for joy shouting, "my daughter pregnant! I'm gunna be a grandma!"


That's the level of insanity in America.

A young teen child becoming pregnant is not an occasion for celebration.


However, in the USA, most people would be horrified to learn that their 16 or 17 year old "baby" wanted to marry their high school sweetheart as soon as they graduate, instead of going off to college for 4 years to get a throw-away degree in Art History or Sociology.

[quote="Regular"]

BTRfan wrote:

Back in high school my chemistry teacher once met with my father to tell him that I was the most dedicated and the most skilled chemistry student out of all of his classes that year. I had an A and while I didn't have the highest A, the teacher made it clear that I was the most dedicated and wasn't merely memorizing the periodic table and memorizing equations and formulas.

Do You use Your chemistry knowledge in work?

I worked a year helping professors setup labs, sterilizing lab tools and instruments, preparing solutions, and delivering chemicals, but I'm not a chemist or a chemical engineer by any measure. I also had to test all of the lab safety equipment and verify that it was in proper working order. I basically did a year of work as a lab technician.

[quote="Regular"]

BTRfan wrote:

suspended for discipline issues, almost all of which related to political issues and my refusal to let others walk all over me and abuse me [physically or verbally]. Missing four to five weeks due to suspensions, on top of one or two weeks for normal illnesses, during high school, takes a toll.

Wow, In my school You could only get suspended if You literally injured other pupil, but if no one complains then nothing happens. Schools got money from government. And pupil number was important so You could do almost everything and there was small chance You could get expelled. Drugs and guns were no go, but it did happen in 91-93.

I once had a teacher ordering me around so I gave her the Hitler salute, snapped to attention, and marched off. I received 5 days suspension for "insubordination" and failing to show proper respect.

I once had a creep storm into my classroom during the middle of class [the teacher was quite horrified by this] and cuss me out, challenging me to a fight. I leapt from my seat, and told him I would gladly fight him. He then turned and literally from the classroom as I chased him. His friend was waiting in the hallway outside and when I saw him I just flew further into a rage and screamed that I would fight both of them [these were very soft/weak kids] and they both ran, they ran to the principal's office screaming for help. I received multiple days of suspension for "inciting a fight."


I once quietly passed out political literature in the lunch room during lunch break and received 5 days suspension for "disrupting the school."


A Mexican/Puerto Rican kid once got up in my face in the library, grabbed my homework assignment, and then wrote in permanent marker, "I SUCK DICKS" on the top of it, this being an assignment I was going to have to turn in during my next class. I then called him a "beaner" and wrote "beaner" on his bag. I received at least 5 days suspension for "racially inflammatory remarks."

Regular wrote:

BTRfan wrote:


A good education is subjective. I went through accelerated, advanced, and honors programs in high school while many others went through the basic track of regular classes. I was in the top 20% of my graduating class and probably would have been in the top 5% but I was repeatedly

No it's not. It's not only school but family too. Too bad Your educational system is total fail I can say you that. Just by fact how many of Americans are uneducated. Soviet system is not perfect too, but it was years ahead of western education.

There is a young man from Belarus in the Computer Science program just down the hall from the code programming/engineering program I am in, and I've had a few classes with him.

When I first met him and he started to speak, I said to him, "so you're from Belarus?" and he was puzzled and said, "yes, but how do you know that, did somebody tell you?" and I replied, "no, but you clearly have a Slavic accent, it isn't South Slav or West Slav, you don't look South Slav or West Slav, you're blonde, you just strike me as being from the western Soviet Union, I was thinking Belarus or maybe one of the Baltic states..."

He was surprised I even knew about Belarus, he said, "I keep trying to tell Americans I am not from Russia I am from Belarus and they just keep calling me Russian and telling people "that guy there is from Russia, ask him if you have a question about Russia" even though I am not from Russia!"


He was also surprised I knew about the Baltic States since he said he doubted that most Americans could find them on the map. I explained, "in some of my classes we were made to fill in every country in the world on a blank map... I had to do every country, river, mountain, and sea in Europe, all of the states and capitals in the USA, every country in Africa, Asia, the Middle East, South America, we had blank maps and had to fill them in."


We spoke about Belarus for a while, he was surprised I knew about Lukashenko and had questions about Lukashenko and we discussed some political and historical issues.

A short while into our conversation another student came into the room, somehow the topic of Russia came up in a conversation this other student was having and he declared, "ask that guy there, he's Russian" and I replied, "he's not from Russia, he's from Belarus!" and the American student said, "same difference."



I also had a professor from Romania who used to work with my father. My father told me, "I think he's a Czechoslovak" and I said, "well dad, they won't like that if you call them that, there are Czechs or Slovaks, not Czechoslovaks" and he said, "right they separated, of course."

So when I met the professor, we began speaking, and I asked him, "sir you're from Romania, right?" he was baffled and said, "yes of course, who told you, did your father say that?" and I said, "well no, he thought you were from Czechoslovakia" and then the professor replied, "well then how did you know I am from Romania?" and I said, "well clearly you have a Romance language accent, but it definitely isn't Spanish or Portuguese, it doesn't sound French, you don't look to be Italian, so that leaves only Romania."

We then had some talks about Romania and obviously most Americans don't know anything about Romania and cannot find Romania on the map.


There's a girl from Bosnia that was training at the gym/academy and other students would call her Romanian and Russian. A typical one might be, "I don't know how they do it in Romania, but here in America..." and she might say, "well I'm from Bosnia, so I don't know how they do it in Romania either..." and the Americans would respond, "Bosnia, Romania, close enough."



But if you call an American a Canadian, woah boy, watch out!



In a way I don't fault Americans for not knowing because nobody has ever taught them and most are not interested enough on their own to go learn the basics about the world around them, but when somebody tells you, "I am from Belarus" it is rude to simply continue calling them Russian and then saying "close enough" or "same difference."


It is one thing if you honestly forget, if somebody is from South Carolina and you keep saying North Carolina but then you apologize when they correct you, they probably won't mind and they won't hold it against you, but if they correct you and you say, "ah who cares, South Carolina, North Carolina, what's it matter" they will resent your arrogance because it does matter, one is their home, the other is not, so it matters to them.


Americans just fail to grasp that or they fail to care about it.



I actually had one guy from the former Com Bloc correct my pronunciation of Ceausescu and I was quite thankful because apparently I had been saying it wrong the whole time. With a lot of Americans you cannot even correct the way they pronounce your name or your home-town.

Interesting posts so far.
I think You feel like You are out place, just maybe because You have higher intelligence and higher morals than other people around You. It usually happens when You are teenager and later on You just grow out of it. So it happened to me. First year in army I've felt that I was the only one interested in guns we had! And it was more or less true.

Not sure that changing country will help as You will get more challenges to overcome and there is no perfect country.
For me, I can't own a house in my own country yet. I want to live there even if my government is such a push over and people are becoming somewhat more distant to each other.
But I really enjoyed chance to go to my parents Dacha, tend apple trees, to travel through forest in 4 in the morning, collect hazelnuts, mushrooms, wild berries, go swim in the lake, cook sashlik and enjoy the summer.
As a kid I was reading Tom Sawyer and decided to build myself a raft with empty botels and empty water siphons. We use to get milk from nearby village, it was straight from a cow and we only had to put strawberries we had growing in our garden. (in middle 90ies drug addicts started to break inside Dachas,sometimes live there, it was unheard before.. )
After summer was over I was back on gray asphalt among tall block houses, but it was such a cool feeling, my childhood was amazing, even in if I lived in Soviet union I was uncontrolled, we were disconnecting trolley bus lines when they stopped in bus stops, we were riding without tickets, playing ball in the bus. Militsia was only shaking heads and as kids we had more freedom that You can imagine. Worse thing that I got was ear twist and was told that if I do same thing they gonna put me on hooligan list.

this thing only in black and later tetris was only things we had. Our main toy was ball and imagination. We even had game syphilis, it's like dodge ball, who gets hit- he infected and has to chase other kids No one of us knew what it meant until we turned 16 or so.
Kids now days have way less imagination and are afraid of everything.