Mike E wrote: sepheronx wrote: kvs wrote: sepheronx wrote:VW and BMW's are built like shit. I know cause my family owned some.
Add to that, how do you even.....know quality by a few screenshots? Have any of you driven these Lada's? I bet not and Granta has been selling very well, so that say something. Might I suggest you guys stop talking about stuff you have no idea about? I can tell from experience - German cars are no better than American made ones. They are garbage. Especially VW. Built like crap and overpriced. Asthetics and technology my ass. What makes it so technological Mike? A digital display? I can tell you that I owned a Mercury Couger, 85 edition, with a digital displays. So what? My Dodge Journey has digital displays. This technology isn't even advanced and is cheap shit if you ever worked on one, which I highly doubt you have judging by your stupid post.
Also, if you idiots even decided to look at the price, you cant even compare the two. I would choose a Granta over a Garbage Wagon that is 30K while the Granta is 9K.
I can't comment on the current crop of Russian cars. But the VW quality is a function of your model selection. You have to
pay for the higher end versions of the Jetta, etc., to get reasonable quality. The affordable prices for the low end versions
of the Jetta are because it is of crap quality. VW is going to give German car manufacturing a bad name.
Most of them are built like shit, much the same with BMW, especially in NA market as most of them are made in mexico. Maybe engine is imported.
In general? VW's are (IMHO and my relatives own one) superior to their common counterparts such as Honda's and Toyota's (hate em')... Even the Mexican-made models are of good quality, and they are built to VW standards by VW-approved workers. Online, Dub' dealers say that they see no noticeable difference in quality compared to their German-made counterparts, and I agree... The Jetta sedan is by far their worst model, so it isn't a good reference.
BMW's have gone down in quality and performance, but they are still great cars nonetheless.
Russian models aren't great, but they will constantly be improved upon.
Russian models? Do you even know what you are talking about anymore? They make mercedes in Russia, maybe BMW's. No, the North American made VW are garbage. Look at this from last year: http://dougdemuro.kinja.com/here-s-why-volkswagen-s-strategy-is-doomed-to-fail-1485901046
Check out the Lemon cars book next time you are in a library. Yeah, they are not very highly rated. If they are compared to similar quality from German ones, then I have no hope for Volkswagen. Hence why industrial production is down, cause auto sales from VW and the like is also down. Also hence they are willing to invest 9B to try to fix the issues.
Lada granta is more or less a Chrystler Sebring with a Mitsubishi engine and Transmission. Same ones you can find in most north American vehicles like Ford, Dodge and Chrystler, or European FIAT. The display in the Granta is guaranteed to be the same crap quality that can be found in nearly every new car, all comes form China and rebadged with a different name. Hell, even the more expensive Alpine car stereo equipment is like that. But for $9K vs $30 - 50K for a VW, I would choose the Granta, even if it may break down more (even though it seems to have held out quite well for a lot of people, cant say the same for VW), it would still be cheaper overall to fix and run over the VW. My 85 Mustang GT for crying out loud was better than my bosses or coworkers VW Golf. Because well, you cant seem to afford the more expensive ones. Yeah, if you got the money, why the hell not? But for the average joe? No.
My job as a student, if it wasn't building computers/workstations/servers, installing shit for people or some basic programming, it was working in the mechanics shop at my school on my Mustang, or Couger. I would install all of this cool crap in it, but in the end it was pointless. After getting older, and having a family, I realized: A flashy car is just that, to show off and to make it feel like you have a big you-know-what. Then that is when I decided to look into Kia, Hyundai and Dodge (only simply because I love dodge not because of quality but because of history - Hell yeah, 1971 Charger is a kick ass automobile. Still didn't stand up to my cousins 71 Ford Mach 1 though). Dad purchased a Hyundai Santa Fe, 2003 (back in 2003) for a fraction of what Toyota or any other brand offered, and it is a 2.7L v6 engine. Guess what? It is sitting in my backyard and still runs, at 340,000 KM. Got a Dodge Journey cause I have a family. Regret it as I think a Kia Rio or Forte would have been better as it is cheaper and much better on gas (the 3.6L v6 Proline is a gas guzzler). When I look at my friends, yeah a VW may be great if they want to try to outdo the Asians in their Honda Civics and Scion's, but when you become an adult, you will realize such cars are nothing more than an image. And this, is what Germany is based off of. Creating an image that German Engineering is so great. Yeah, 21st century lie.
Kia and Hyundai are not growing because they make expensive flashy vehicles. They are growing because they are making vehicles meant for the people (wasn't that the Volkswagen theme?) at reasonable prices. Hence why I would buy a Kia Rio over the Lada Granta but that is because of availability. Avtovaz is owned by Renault-Nissan conglomerate. Not even Russian anymore. Just it still stays in Russia.
Edit: I really truly am sorry for being a dick. But I have never felt so infuriated that you guys compare vehicles based upon an interior look, and flashy gadgets. Half of that isn't even used by most people. What actually makes a vehicle good is the drive quality, the build (if it rusts in a year or not) and how well it handles itself for over a year (how many times it has to be taken in and looked at). I would seriously choose a 1970 Chevy Nova over most cars these days, as they are just built like garbage. Toyota and Honda are no better anymore due to the fact they are all trying to compete against China's cheap methods of manufacturing in order to compete internationally. Not working out well for them.
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