PAK-FA, T-50: News #2

navyfield wrote:
detection -perhaps ,
lock-on ,...no way!

The question here is of course whether such lock on range fell within the airplane's weapon release envelope.

What is photoshop?

GarryB wrote:

R=37M was supposed to have a range of 400km and was tested from a modified MiG-31M without its new radar to a flight range of 300km using target data from another aircraft closer to the target.
 

GarryB wrote:R=37M was supposed to have a range of 400km and was tested from a modified MiG-31M without its new radar to a flight range of 300km using target data from another aircraft closer to the target.

The Su-30MK is hardly a stealth aircraft even in clean configuration.

medo wrote:

GarryB wrote:R=37M was supposed to have a range of 400km and was tested from a modified MiG-31M without its new radar to a flight range of 300km using target data from another aircraft closer to the target.

The Su-30MK is hardly a stealth aircraft even in clean configuration.

Those are radar test for PAK FA radar. Lock on Su-30 in 300 km range means, that the radar could lock and guide missiles on a fighter size target on that distance. I'm sure no one expect, that PAK FA will shot down stealth or other fighters at such distance but most probably bigger targets as AWASC planes, flying tankers, flying command posts, ELINT planes, stand off jammers, etc. We could assume now, that PAK FA radar have more than 400 km range. Also Su-30 have most modern russian ESM and RWR equipment, so they could as well check, what signature could radar leave on ESM equipment and how far radar could be detected. Testing radar against stealth plane, they could use it against another PAK FA or small targets in the size of stealth planes.

A new modified aircraft missile for Russian fifth-generation fighters would be developed by 2016, the director-general of the Tactical Missiles Corporation, Boris Obnosov, said on Friday at the Kadex 2014 exhibition of weapons and military equipment in Astana, Kazakhstan.

"We have established close contact with the Sukhoi design office. A permanent working group is formed. All the protocols of informational cooperation are agreed on. Models are made according to schedule. Everything must be done by 2016," Obnosov said, noting it was a new modified aircraft cruise missile X-74M2.

It was hard work. Intensity of tests was very high. Even the main test centre coped with it with difficulty, he added.
The Tactical Missiles Corporation also planned to develop the first model of a hypersonic missile by 2020, the corporation's director-general said.

Russia had completed working out a programme to develop hypersonic missile technologies. The Defense Ministry and the Ministry of Industry and Trade had already approved the programme, Obnosov said.

Twelve working groups were formed with the participation of dozens of institutes and companies. The programme was already worked out and approved. The main thing was to implement it, he said.

Key areas were determined. There was understanding in the Defence Ministry, he added.
"If we are behind others it will be hard to catch up with them later. Purposeful, systematic and everyday work is needed," the director-general noted, referring to other countries' developments in the field.

"If somebody thinks that tomorrow we will pull a hypersonic missile from a pocket, the one is mistaken, since the process to create it requires serious scientific and technical developments, serious tests, personnel training and many other things," Obnosov said.

sepheronx wrote:

medo wrote:

GarryB wrote:R=37M was supposed to have a range of 400km and was tested from a modified MiG-31M without its new radar to a flight range of 300km using target data from another aircraft closer to the target.

The Su-30MK is hardly a stealth aircraft even in clean configuration.

Those are radar test for PAK FA radar. Lock on Su-30 in 300 km range means, that the radar could lock and guide missiles on a fighter size target on that distance. I'm sure no one expect, that PAK FA will shot down stealth or other fighters at such distance but most probably bigger targets as AWASC planes, flying tankers, flying command posts, ELINT planes, stand off jammers, etc. We could assume now, that PAK FA radar have more than 400 km range. Also Su-30 have most modern russian ESM and RWR equipment, so they could as well check, what signature could radar leave on ESM equipment and how far radar could be detected. Testing radar against stealth plane, they could use it against another PAK FA or small targets in the size of stealth planes.

They usually use target drones in order to test, so I would speculate they would use a target drone with a specific RCS in order to test the equipment on.  That said, it tracked an Su-30 at 300km! that is very good, since the Irbis-E can track at that range as well.

Sujoy wrote:X 74 M2 - Russia's New Cruise Missile For 5th Gen Aircraft

23/05/2014 Itar-Tass

A new modified aircraft missile for Russian fifth-generation fighters would be developed by 2016, the director-general of the Tactical Missiles Corporation, Boris Obnosov, said on Friday at the Kadex 2014 exhibition of weapons and military equipment in Astana, Kazakhstan.

"We have established close contact with the Sukhoi design office. A permanent working group is formed. All the protocols of informational cooperation are agreed on. Models are made according to schedule. Everything must be done by 2016," Obnosov said, noting it was a new modified aircraft cruise missile X-74M2.

It was hard work. Intensity of tests was very high. Even the main test centre coped with it with difficulty, he added.
The Tactical Missiles Corporation also planned to develop the first model of a hypersonic missile by 2020, the corporation's director-general said.

Russia had completed working out a programme to develop hypersonic missile technologies. The Defense Ministry and the Ministry of Industry and Trade had already approved the programme, Obnosov said.

Twelve working groups were formed with the participation of dozens of institutes and companies. The programme was already worked out and approved. The main thing was to implement it, he said.

Key areas were determined. There was understanding in the Defence Ministry, he added.
"If we are behind others it will be hard to catch up with them later. Purposeful, systematic and everyday work is needed," the director-general noted, referring to other countries' developments in the field.

"If somebody thinks that tomorrow we will pull a hypersonic missile from a pocket, the one is mistaken, since the process to create it requires serious scientific and technical developments, serious tests, personnel training and many other things," Obnosov said.

navyfield wrote:the reason i said detection is an ok figure because su-35 can do this too so nothing spectacular,
the reason lock-on range i dont belive is true is because that data is probably classified for Pak-fa.

Sujoy wrote:X 74 M2 - Russia's New Cruise Missile For 5th Gen Aircraft

23/05/2014 Itar-Tass

A new modified aircraft missile for Russian fifth-generation fighters would be developed by 2016, the director-general of the Tactical Missiles Corporation, Boris Obnosov, said on Friday at the Kadex 2014 exhibition of weapons and military equipment in Astana, Kazakhstan.

"We have established close contact with the Sukhoi design office. A permanent working group is formed. All the protocols of informational cooperation are agreed on. Models are made according to schedule. Everything must be done by 2016," Obnosov said, noting it was a new modified aircraft cruise missile X-74M2.

It was hard work. Intensity of tests was very high. Even the main test centre coped with it with difficulty, he added.
The Tactical Missiles Corporation also planned to develop the first model of a hypersonic missile by 2020, the corporation's director-general said.

Russia had completed working out a programme to develop hypersonic missile technologies. The Defense Ministry and the Ministry of Industry and Trade had already approved the programme, Obnosov said.

Twelve working groups were formed with the participation of dozens of institutes and companies. The programme was already worked out and approved. The main thing was to implement it, he said.

Key areas were determined. There was understanding in the Defence Ministry, he added.
"If we are behind others it will be hard to catch up with them later. Purposeful, systematic and everyday work is needed," the director-general noted, referring to other countries' developments in the field.

"If somebody thinks that tomorrow we will pull a hypersonic missile from a pocket, the one is mistaken, since the process to create it requires serious scientific and technical developments, serious tests, personnel training and many other things," Obnosov said.

mack8 wrote:Ok, i'm baffled on this one. I thought they were really talking about K-74M2 (short range AAM developed from R-73). Is there really a cruise missile called H-74, or just journo fail ?!

Stealthflanker wrote:quick question.. How's the PAKFA's engine research going ? I heard that there would be more powerful engine being developed for PAKFA or will PAKFA make do with already existing 117S engine as Su-35 ?

Stealthflanker wrote: I heard that there would be more powerful engine being developed for PAKFA or will PAKFA make do with already existing 117S engine as Su-35 ?

Sujoy wrote:

Igor had published this on his blog a couple of years ago . In case you haven't read this interview .

http://igorrgroup.blogspot.in/2011/05/new-interview-of-al-41f-chief.html

Ok, i'm baffled on this one. I thought they were really talking about K-74M2 (short range AAM developed from R-73). Is there really a cruise missile called H-74, or just journo fail ?!

Morpheus wrote:

I wonder how Kh-74M2 is different from Kh-74, Kh-74M, and Kh-74M1 hypersonic missiles and their variants.

nemrod wrote:
Russia Claims To Have a Fifth-Generation Fighter That Might Surpass The F-35



http://www.businessinsider.com/russian-pak-fa-poses-serious-challenge-to-us-2014-5

nemrod wrote:
Russia Claims To Have a Fifth-Generation Fighter That Might Surpass The F-35

http://www.businessinsider.com/russian-pak-fa-poses-serious-challenge-to-us-2014-5