Iran's Electronic Warfare and Radar equipment

Ok ,lets take point by point, what RQ-170 carry ?:

It communicate with GCS that use LOS STACOM data link to control the UAV manually , We suppose that iran Jammed that data link ,

GPS reciever > iran jammed it.

Automatic launch and recovery (ALR)system facilitates the aircraft to land safely when communication with the GCS fails , ALR can't be jammed as i think,

why the ALR failed also ?

First of all what is with wanting to jam GPS?

The onboard inertial navigation system probably has an expensive ring laser gyro that is accurate to about 10m per hour, that receives updates from GPS and also the terrain navigation system too.

As such jamming GPS wont actually achieve very much at all.

Depending on the system and its location there will be plenty of times where it will lose its satellite link to its ground control station... no point in making a stealthy UAV if it is transmitting continuous streams of data... even if it is a directional satellite datalink.

I rather doubt this UAV is operating from the US, so if it is operating from Pakistan or Iraq then an ELINT system in Iran might detect commands directed at the UAV and use civilian or military radar to monitor what response they get from the craft.

Wouldn't take much to find out the commands to make it land and then use those commands to force land the aircraft.

It is a bit like wireless key entry to your car... sit in a car in a car park with a wide band receiver to detect the signal that unlocks the door of the car you want to steal and capture the key signal the opens the door and starts the engine.

Of course more sophisticated car defence systems require the key to be present so you have to steal that too.

Clearly in this case they managed to jam outside commands to the UAV while at the same time they managed to force it to land.

Jamming signals are directly related to the square of distance so having a jamming system directly under a drone will be much more effective than the original controller hundreds of kms away.

Iran claim that it could detect and track any stealth system flights. If this is OK, it must be and undoubtly, with russian's help.
Indeed, they downed a year ago the sentinel's drone stealth. With russian's know how.
My question is :
Why do not russian's scientists adapt, or manage this technology inside Mig 29/35, SU-/27/30/32/35 canceling the stealth technologies effectiveness that is inside F-117/F-22/F-35/F-15 ?
I never believed in Stealth technology. Am I wrong ? Iam not a specialist.
I think this subject is more relative to russian's air force, than in Middle east topic, because, it concerns chieftly russian's effectiveness technlology.
Thx for any response.

http://en.trend.az/regions/iran/2166885.html

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2 July 2013, 16:17 (GMT+05:00)

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The top commander of the Iranian Air Defense Force said on Tuesday that the country's radar and air defense units are monitoring and tracking all stealth aircraft flying in the region and have even warned and shooed away many reconnaissance planes seeking to approach the country's borders.

"We have issued warnings to (alien) reconnaissance planes which approached our borders and they responded to our alerts and moved away from our borders," Commander of Khatam ol-Anbia Air Defense Base Brigadier General Farzad Esmayeeli told FNA on Tuesday.

He explained that around 10% of the information available about the current situation of stealth reconnaissance planes or fighter jets are presented by the manufacturing country, but "we have to be fully informed of their situation and operations because if their flight times and schedules escape our 100% monitoring, then we will be doomed to fail and get surprised".

Esmayeeli also explained that the stealth technology used by reconnaissance planes is the same as the technology used in the US F22 fighters, a number of which have been deployed in the UAE.

In similar remarks in October, Esmayeeli had stressed Iran's capability to confront US spy planes and drones, and said his forces have so far warned tens of US spy planes, including the advanced Airborne Warning and Control System (AWACS) aircraft, to keep away from Iranian airspace.

"In the last ten years, we have issued countless warnings even to those US AWACS airplanes which were flying over Iraq's airspace or along the free airspace of the Persian Gulf," Esmayeeli told FNA at the time, and noted that the spy planes received immediate warnings when they tried to approach Iran's airspace in violation of the international regulations.

Iran has downed several US drones, a number of which use the same stealth technology that F22 does. Iranian experts have reportedly reproduced these downed aircraft after conducting reverse engineering on them.

According to Iran's officials' claims, Iranian experts in December 2011 hacked the US RQ-170 Sentinel stealth aircraft and brought it down it by hacking its control system and uploading a new program to it.

Also, on December 4, 2012, Commander of the Islamic Revolution Guards Corps (IRGC) Navy Rear Admiral Ali Fadavi announced that his forces had hunted a US drone over the Persian Gulf after the drone violated the country's airspace, adding that the hunted UAV was a ScanEagle drone.

In April, the Iranian Air Defense Force displayed its Sarir (Throne) drones on the occasion of the National Army Day.

Speaking to reporters at the time, Esmayeeli stated that Sarir is a long-range, long-endurance radar evading air defense drone.

"Sarir is capable of carrying cameras and air-to-air missiles and tens of this UAV have so far been produced and used," he added.

Also earlier this year, Iran displayed its most advanced UAV designed and manufactured by the country's engineers.

The stealth drone, named Hemaseh (Epic), was unveiled in a special ceremony in the presence of Defense Minister Brigadier General Ahmad Vahidi.

In fact my question was not correct, I am going try to be more accurate.
Does Russia have a secret weapon that allow to detect, track, and down each stealth aircraft, or boats ?
Since 2011, Iran use to detect and down several US stealth aircrafts, it seems that Russia provide a new technlogy ? If someone have clue please...

I don't know about detecting any stealth aircraft, but they seem to have some capability. Homegrown and imported radars and ECM equipment (Russian and some Chinese).

I think one advantage the Iranians have compared to previous conflicts, is the experience they've gained from decades of "sparring" with the US and it's allies. They have a fairly good idea how their opponents operate and what they're up against.

nemrod wrote:Iran claim that it could detect and track any stealth system flights. If this is OK, it must be and undoubtly, with russian's help.
Indeed, they downed a year ago the sentinel's drone stealth. With russian's know how.
My question is :
Why do not russian's scientists adapt, or manage this technology inside Mig 29/35, SU-/27/30/32/35 canceling the stealth technologies effectiveness that is inside F-117/F-22/F-35/F-15 ?

Russia has numerous systems capable of detecting LO platforms; the issue is being able to accurately track them to do something about it. Digital VHF-band radars like the 55Zh6 are what you use to do this. The reason you can't really adapt this technology to a fighter plane is actually pretty simple to explain. Look at the size of a 55Zh6 or other VHF-band radar. The arrays themselves, to transmit on such wavelengths, need to be pretty large. That's just a function of the physics involved, and means that an array transmitting a VHF wavelength is going to naturally be much larger than you can fit into a fighter's nose. What you could do is potentially build one along the side of something like an A-50. That'd give you enough space to work with to get the array large enough to function as a VHF-band transmitter and receiver. At that point it becomes a processing question because you've got a moving emitter rather than a stationary ground-based radar.

nemrod wrote:In fact my question was not correct, I am going try to be more accurate.
Does Russia have a secret weapon that allow to detect, track, and down each stealth aircraft, or boats ?
Since 2011, Iran use to detect and down several US stealth aircrafts, it seems that Russia provide a new technlogy ? If someone have clue please...

If it was secret we wouldn't know about it  

But seriously, they have all kinds of radars like this operational right now. I think at last count I spotted 60 some deployed 55Zh6 arrays alone, and there are other operational systems that would work as well.

The problem is that you have LO aircraft like the F-117 or F-22 that are optimized to counter much smaller wavelengths, the wavelengths employed by fire control radars in aircraft or on SAM systems. Until recently, digital signal processing hadn't caught up and a VHF-band emitter wasn't really a significant worry; you knew it couldn't track you with enough accuracy to hand over to a fighter command post or a SAM battery. Digital processing makes this a much bigger problem for an LO fighter. Plus, the Nebo-M is going to be a multiple wavelength system, with different arrays for different wavelengths. This is where things will get really interesting. If your VHF signal sees something and the X band signal does not, you know you've got an LO aircraft like the F-22 or F-35. Obviously stealth is not 100% effective, it just reduces detection range of enemy emitters to a useful point, but using a multi-wavelength system like this takes the aircraft's LO capability and uses it against it. With much more accurate systems available these days, you've also got the accuracy required to guide in a fighter or launch a SAM close enough to where it's seeker will be able to acquire the target.

The B-2 is a different problem altogether. Fighters can be seen by a VHF radar because their stealth features are optimized for smaller wavelengths and therefore don't really make a difference to the physically much larger VHF wavelength. The B-2, however, is big enough to incorporate a degree of counter-VHF LO. If you asked me to name the most survivable stealth platform out there, I'd probably give you the B-2. Anybody else is potentially facing a much higher risk from VHF-band and other long wavelength radar systems.

How does Iran come into this? They appear to have received the 1L119 Nebo-SVU, or developed something very similar (without welding oil cans together this time and calling them an S-300P), a VHF-band, modern radar with a good bit of counter-LO capability. Something like this will help you track things like the RQ-170, or the F-22.

No secret sauce there just physics

well F-22 are flying with fuel tanks and reflectors ... About B-2. Theres no need to have them there they have the range to get into action at anytime. So what stealth aircraft are left? None.
Drones...
Ok it seems they did got some part of s-300 package in the form of nebo search radars which are good but not the latest versions.
Still many drones are detected, are all of them being detected? maybe,maybe not... -maybe Usa is testing the quality of Irans air defenses .

SOC wrote:Plus, the Nebo-M is going to be a multiple wavelength system, with different arrays for different wavelengths.  This is where things will get really interesting.  If your VHF signal sees something and the X band signal does not, you know you've got an LO aircraft like the F-22 or F-35.  Obviously stealth is not 100% effective, it just reduces detection range of enemy emitters to a useful point, but using a multi-wavelength system like this takes the aircraft's LO capability and uses it against it.  With much more accurate systems available these days, you've also got the accuracy required to guide in a fighter or launch a SAM close enough to where it's seeker will be able to acquire the target.

Miltiple wavelength system is being used by Russia for at least 40 years now.

SOC wrote:How does Iran come into this?  They appear to have received the 1L119 Nebo-SVU, or developed something very similar (without welding oil cans together this time and calling them an S-300P), a VHF-band, modern radar with a good bit of counter-LO capability.  Something like this will help you track things like the RQ-170, or the F-22.

It was Belarus Istok radar that saw Sentinel. I believe that Sentinel because of its smaller size than B-2 but designed according to same principals is even

smaller target than B-2. Here you go. Belarus are not to be underestimated.




Here are official information about the radar.
LINK

Yeah they've got the Vostok and I believe Kasta-2 radar as well.

They don't yet have the S-300 class clone (Bavar) ready yet. Possibly during 2014.

Some info from a recent article on Iranian AD

Military-Industrial Complex of Iran has been working on optimizing the anti-aircraft missile systems S-200, reducing their response time. According to Air Force Brigadier General Farzad Esmaeli, due to improvements significantly reduced the time required for the rocket launch after detecting an airborne target.

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The modified C-200 is now capable of destroying not only strategic and multiple goals, but is also able to pass parameters to other anti-aircraft systems and is capable of shooting down air targets at ranges of 200 to 350 kilometers.

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In addition to the improvement of air defense missile systems, Iran according to Esmaeli, has been reconfiguring all its radar defense systems, and also started producing their own radars operating at different frequencies. Such a revised radar component of the air defense system, according to the Iranian military, makes it less vulnerable to electronic warfare.

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Rear Admiral Farhad Amiri said that Iran intends in 2014 to adopt a new anti-aircraft missile system Bavar-373.

http://lenta.ru/news/2013/07/05/s200/

Yeah, that Bavar thing - who knows what that is - it seems that this might be like that 5th gen fighter plane of theirs  They dont have S-300 either.

Their air defense is obsolite to the point of tragic. Raad and TOR-M1/Pechora-2M are only things they have that has decent characteristic.

Viktor wrote:Yeah, that Bavar thing - who knows what that is

They almost certainly have samples of older S-300's and they have access to Chinese tech, so it's not impossible that they're working on their own version....we'll know for sure soon I guess.

Some pics of newer radars in Iranian service I came across

Nebo SVU



Matla al Fajr - domestic VHF radar probably based on P-18




JY-14 (Chinese origin)

   



Kasta2E2



This one is interesting....said to be elements for the Ghadir Long Range Radar (pics are from 2010). Max range 1100km / 300km in height. Start of mass production of was announced in April 2012. It is reported that the data intended for the detection of aircraft, ballistic missiles and satellites in low orbit.




Possibly NAJM 802 radar prototype

   


Unidentified radars

Bottom left picture:  the big antennas are not radars, although there are probably radars under the domes.  The big antennas are actually troposcatter comms arrays.

now i remember him. no wonder i thought this was familiar. this is soc the guy who was a moderator once and banned me on keypublishing forum.life is strange

Rpg type 7v wrote:now i remember him. no wonder i thought this was familiar. this is soc the guy who was a moderator once and banned me on keypublishing forum.life is strange

You know, for curiosities sake ( I post on KeyPub) I looked up your account.

Are you actually surprised you were banned? Your posts are embarrassing to look at on there, dear lord.

What is very funny is it is just a bunch of pro-Russia anti American nonsense.

what account ,how did you guess my account theres?

Because the username is identical?

HA!
That was from my friend ,granted hes sometimes too pro rus, because he is part Rus...
I havent seen him awhile i can give him a call to come here  
I had different account actually there but it was banned too , i liked the name of his username then , so i reused it on others and this one forums.
Your plain simple mind ,making direct conclusions does not surprise me...  

Yes I am sure, some friend.

Your scientific mind was put on good display with your analysis of the S-400 command post

you are free to belive in whatever you want.
ok so they look more or less the same... but i expcted russian vesion to be more futuristic and using newest technologies and one step ahead not just copy americans.

http://english.farsnews.com/newstext.aspx?nn=13920631001439

Untill now I used to consider that, this technology is only russian, american, western european countries, as Japan, China, and India, even with  doubts, Taiwan.

If someone among you could tell us if Iran is able to build this kind of hardware. Did Russia, or China help Iran ? How could Iran check this hardware ? Did Iran track some US F-22 near its borders ?

I think it could doubfull, if a country such Iran could master this high-tech hardware, nevertheless, nothing is impossible with the genious persis engineers.

Regards.

That is a horribly written article. I can't tell if Iran is displaying more vaporware like their last fighter plane or if the writer has no earthly clue what the hell he is talking about. I'm guessing the latter, given the quotes in there. The writer seems to be using the term "passive" to imply that it doesn't emit anything at all...which would mean that it's not a radar, unless it's a receiver for a bi-static array. It makes more sense if they're talking about an actual PESA, which is actually not all that new if you want to build a ground-based system. Also, whatever the radar system they show in the picture is, I'm not sure that'd be a PESA or any kind of ESA.

nemrod wrote:

http://english.farsnews.com/newstext.aspx?nn=13920631001439

Untill now I used to consider that, this technology is only russian, american, western european countries, as Japan, China, and India, even with  doubts, Taiwan.

If someone among you could tell us if Iran is able to build this kind of hardware. Did Russia, or China help Iran ? How could Iran check this hardware ? Did Iran track some US F-22 near its borders ?

I think it could doubfull, if a country such Iran could master this high-tech hardware, nevertheless, nothing is impossible with the genious persis engineers.

Regards.

Iraqi factory "salahuddin 13" was building phased array radars 25 years ago... I don't see why Iran shouldn't be able to do the same. I presume there are dozens of countries able to produce such radars nowadays... It is 1970s tech!

Iraqi factory "salahuddin 13" was building phased array radars 25 years ago... I don't see why Iran shouldn't be able to do the same. I presume there are dozens of countries able to produce such radars nowadays... It is 1970s tech!

Yes... as long as we are talking passive phased arrays... the Mig-31 has had one since the late 1970s.

Thx to all for your responses. I ignored that this hardware, is 70's origin.

My question is :
Does this iranian radar able to track F-117, F-22, F-35 ?