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Iran's Electronic Warfare and Radar equipment
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Rpg type 7v- Posts : 245
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well F-22 are flying with fuel tanks and reflectors ... About B-2. Theres no need to have them there they have the range to get into action at anytime. So what stealth aircraft are left? None.
Drones...
Ok it seems they did got some part of s-300 package in the form of nebo search radars which are good but not the latest versions.
Still many drones are detected, are all of them being detected? maybe,maybe not... -maybe Usa is testing the quality of Irans air defenses .
Drones...
Ok it seems they did got some part of s-300 package in the form of nebo search radars which are good but not the latest versions.
Still many drones are detected, are all of them being detected? maybe,maybe not... -maybe Usa is testing the quality of Irans air defenses .
Viktor- Posts : 5796
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SOC wrote:Plus, the Nebo-M is going to be a multiple wavelength system, with different arrays for different wavelengths. This is where things will get really interesting. If your VHF signal sees something and the X band signal does not, you know you've got an LO aircraft like the F-22 or F-35. Obviously stealth is not 100% effective, it just reduces detection range of enemy emitters to a useful point, but using a multi-wavelength system like this takes the aircraft's LO capability and uses it against it. With much more accurate systems available these days, you've also got the accuracy required to guide in a fighter or launch a SAM close enough to where it's seeker will be able to acquire the target.
Miltiple wavelength system is being used by Russia for at least 40 years now.
SOC wrote:How does Iran come into this? They appear to have received the 1L119 Nebo-SVU, or developed something very similar (without welding oil cans together this time and calling them an S-300P), a VHF-band, modern radar with a good bit of counter-LO capability. Something like this will help you track things like the RQ-170, or the F-22.
It was Belarus Istok radar that saw Sentinel. I believe that Sentinel because of its smaller size than B-2 but designed according to same principals is even
smaller target than B-2. Here you go. Belarus are not to be underestimated.
Here are official information about the radar.
LINK
Cyberspec- Posts : 2904
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Yeah they've got the Vostok and I believe Kasta-2 radar as well.
They don't yet have the S-300 class clone (Bavar) ready yet. Possibly during 2014.
Some info from a recent article on Iranian AD
They don't yet have the S-300 class clone (Bavar) ready yet. Possibly during 2014.
Some info from a recent article on Iranian AD
Military-Industrial Complex of Iran has been working on optimizing the anti-aircraft missile systems S-200, reducing their response time. According to Air Force Brigadier General Farzad Esmaeli, due to improvements significantly reduced the time required for the rocket launch after detecting an airborne target.
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The modified C-200 is now capable of destroying not only strategic and multiple goals, but is also able to pass parameters to other anti-aircraft systems and is capable of shooting down air targets at ranges of 200 to 350 kilometers.
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In addition to the improvement of air defense missile systems, Iran according to Esmaeli, has been reconfiguring all its radar defense systems, and also started producing their own radars operating at different frequencies. Such a revised radar component of the air defense system, according to the Iranian military, makes it less vulnerable to electronic warfare.
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Rear Admiral Farhad Amiri said that Iran intends in 2014 to adopt a new anti-aircraft missile system Bavar-373.
http://lenta.ru/news/2013/07/05/s200/
Viktor- Posts : 5796
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Yeah, that Bavar thing - who knows what that is - it seems that this might be like that 5th gen fighter plane of theirs 
They dont have S-300 either.
Their air defense is obsolite to the point of tragic. Raad and TOR-M1/Pechora-2M are only things they have that has decent characteristic.
They dont have S-300 either. Their air defense is obsolite to the point of tragic. Raad and TOR-M1/Pechora-2M are only things they have that has decent characteristic.
Cyberspec- Posts : 2904
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Viktor wrote:Yeah, that Bavar thing - who knows what that is
They almost certainly have samples of older S-300's and they have access to Chinese tech, so it's not impossible that they're working on their own version....we'll know for sure soon I guess.
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Some pics of newer radars in Iranian service I came across
Nebo SVU
Matla al Fajr - domestic VHF radar probably based on P-18
JY-14 (Chinese origin)
Kasta2E2
This one is interesting....said to be elements for the Ghadir Long Range Radar (pics are from 2010). Max range 1100km / 300km in height. Start of mass production of was announced in April 2012. It is reported that the data intended for the detection of aircraft, ballistic missiles and satellites in low orbit.
Possibly NAJM 802 radar prototype
Unidentified radars
Nebo SVU
Matla al Fajr - domestic VHF radar probably based on P-18
JY-14 (Chinese origin)
Kasta2E2
This one is interesting....said to be elements for the Ghadir Long Range Radar (pics are from 2010). Max range 1100km / 300km in height. Start of mass production of was announced in April 2012. It is reported that the data intended for the detection of aircraft, ballistic missiles and satellites in low orbit.
Possibly NAJM 802 radar prototype
Unidentified radars
SOC- Posts : 565
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Bottom left picture: the big antennas are not radars, although there are probably radars under the domes. The big antennas are actually troposcatter comms arrays.
Rpg type 7v- Posts : 245
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now i remember him. no wonder i thought this was familiar. this is soc the guy who was a moderator once and banned me on keypublishing forum.life is strange 
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Rpg type 7v wrote:now i remember him. no wonder i thought this was familiar. this is soc the guy who was a moderator once and banned me on keypublishing forum.life is strange
You know, for curiosities sake ( I post on KeyPub) I looked up your account.
Are you actually surprised you were banned? Your posts are embarrassing to look at on there, dear lord.
What is very funny is it is just a bunch of pro-Russia anti American nonsense.
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what account ,how did you guess my account theres?
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Because the username is identical?
Rpg type 7v- Posts : 245
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HA!
That was from my friend ,granted hes sometimes too pro rus, because he is part Rus...
I havent seen him awhile i can give him a call to come here
I had different account actually there but it was banned too , i liked the name of his username then , so i reused it on others and this one forums.
Your plain simple mind ,making direct conclusions does not surprise me...
That was from my friend ,granted hes sometimes too pro rus, because he is part Rus...
I havent seen him awhile i can give him a call to come here
I had different account actually there but it was banned too , i liked the name of his username then , so i reused it on others and this one forums.
Your plain simple mind ,making direct conclusions does not surprise me...
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Yes I am sure, some friend.
Your scientific mind was put on good display with your analysis of the S-400 command post
Your scientific mind was put on good display with your analysis of the S-400 command post
Rpg type 7v- Posts : 245
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Iran claim that it could detect and track any stealth system flights.
Rpg type 7v Tue Jul 09, 2013 11:11 pm
you are free to belive in whatever you want.
ok so they look more or less the same... but i expcted russian vesion to be more futuristic and using newest technologies and one step ahead not just copy americans.
ok so they look more or less the same... but i expcted russian vesion to be more futuristic and using newest technologies and one step ahead not just copy americans.
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http://english.farsnews.com/newstext.aspx?nn=13920631001439
Untill now I used to consider that, this technology is only russian, american, western european countries, as Japan, China, and India, even with doubts, Taiwan.
If someone among you could tell us if Iran is able to build this kind of hardware. Did Russia, or China help Iran ? How could Iran check this hardware ? Did Iran track some US F-22 near its borders ?
I think it could doubfull, if a country such Iran could master this high-tech hardware, nevertheless, nothing is impossible with the genious persis engineers.
Regards.
Untill now I used to consider that, this technology is only russian, american, western european countries, as Japan, China, and India, even with doubts, Taiwan.
If someone among you could tell us if Iran is able to build this kind of hardware. Did Russia, or China help Iran ? How could Iran check this hardware ? Did Iran track some US F-22 near its borders ?
I think it could doubfull, if a country such Iran could master this high-tech hardware, nevertheless, nothing is impossible with the genious persis engineers.
Regards.
SOC- Posts : 565
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That is a horribly written article. I can't tell if Iran is displaying more vaporware like their last fighter plane or if the writer has no earthly clue what the hell he is talking about. I'm guessing the latter, given the quotes in there. The writer seems to be using the term "passive" to imply that it doesn't emit anything at all...which would mean that it's not a radar, unless it's a receiver for a bi-static array. It makes more sense if they're talking about an actual PESA, which is actually not all that new if you want to build a ground-based system. Also, whatever the radar system they show in the picture is, I'm not sure that'd be a PESA or any kind of ESA.
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Iraqi factory "salahuddin 13" was building phased array radars 25 years ago... I don't see why Iran shouldn't be able to do the same. I presume there are dozens of countries able to produce such radars nowadays... It is 1970s tech!nemrod wrote:
http://english.farsnews.com/newstext.aspx?nn=13920631001439
Untill now I used to consider that, this technology is only russian, american, western european countries, as Japan, China, and India, even with doubts, Taiwan.
If someone among you could tell us if Iran is able to build this kind of hardware. Did Russia, or China help Iran ? How could Iran check this hardware ? Did Iran track some US F-22 near its borders ?
I think it could doubfull, if a country such Iran could master this high-tech hardware, nevertheless, nothing is impossible with the genious persis engineers.
Regards.
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Yes... as long as we are talking passive phased arrays... the Mig-31 has had one since the late 1970s.Iraqi factory "salahuddin 13" was building phased array radars 25 years ago... I don't see why Iran shouldn't be able to do the same. I presume there are dozens of countries able to produce such radars nowadays... It is 1970s tech!
nemrod- Posts : 839
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Thx to all for your responses. I ignored that this hardware, is 70's origin.
My question is :
Does this iranian radar able to track F-117, F-22, F-35 ?
My question is :
Does this iranian radar able to track F-117, F-22, F-35 ?
sheytanelkebir- Posts : 536
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I think Iran would be looking at using its longwave radars for such a task. If they had access to NEBO-M type VHF AESA technology with those arrays... they would be sorted.
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Iran is already using excellent Belarus Istok radar for stealth detection which help them locate and overtake RQ-170 which has arguably less RCS than even B-2.sheytanelkebir wrote:I think Iran would be looking at using its longwave radars for such a task. If they had access to NEBO-M type VHF AESA technology with those arrays... they would be sorted.
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U seem to say that Russia, is somehow helped Iran -across Bielorussia-, regarding radar anti stealth ?
I wish if Russia will help Iran, Venezuela, Bolivia, Argentina, Brazil, Syria, regarding this technlogy.
I wish if Russia will help Iran, Venezuela, Bolivia, Argentina, Brazil, Syria, regarding this technlogy.
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Do you mean the Vostok radar? Vietnam has some of those as well.Viktor wrote:Iran is already using excellent Belarus Istok radar for stealth detection which help them locate and overtake RQ-170 which has arguably less RCS than even B-2.sheytanelkebir wrote:I think Iran would be looking at using its longwave radars for such a task. If they had access to NEBO-M type VHF AESA technology with those arrays... they would be sorted.
Viktor- Posts : 5796
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Thats the one. I saw it on few Iranian video clips from youtube.SOC wrote:Do you mean the Vostok radar?Viktor wrote:Iran is already using excellent Belarus Istok radar for stealth detection which help them locate and overtake RQ-170 which has arguably less RCS than even B-2.sheytanelkebir wrote:I think Iran would be looking at using its longwave radars for such a task. If they had access to NEBO-M type VHF AESA technology with those arrays... they would be sorted.
True and Belarus was also awarded with the contract to modernize all Vietnam S-125 systems. I would not be suprised if the same contract included older Vietnam radar modernization.SOC wrote:Vietnam has some of those as well.
Belarus has strong industry regarding command and radar systems and some unique solutions for modernization of Soviet SAM systems. It was smart of Iran to turn to Belarus regardingnemrod wrote:U seem to say that Russia, is somehow helped Iran -across Bielorussia-, regarding radar anti stealth ?
I wish if Russia will help Iran, Venezuela, Bolivia, Argentina, Brazil, Syria, regarding this technlogy.
air defense (besides Russia). China would be of course another excellent option.