The Situation in the Ukraine. #2

KIEV
Right Sector and others in Kiev entered in Supreme Court of Ukraine, on video they shouting "Shame" and removing judges and other working there ppl from Supreme Court in Kiev.

Ukrainian MVD Spetsnaz, or who appear to be MVD Spetsnaz - have arrived in Donetsk.

And in other news - Timoshenko claims to have come across many members of Russian security services in Donetsk; she said "it's easy to recognize them, they all speak Russian". No joke. (copy from Python..)

Ukraine Military Dispositions - The Military Ticks Up while the Clock Ticks Down
https://www.rusi.org/downloads/assets/UKRANIANMILITARYDISPOSITIONS_RUSIBRIEFING.pdf
http://cablegatesearch.net/cable.php?id=06KYIV4489#para-182829-27


On 2 April, NATO’s Supreme Commander in Europe General Philip M
Breedlove made it clear that the Alliance is about to announce a series of
military measures to demonstrate that it is still a working military command
structure capable of defending all its external borders. These measures are
designed both to reassure NATO’s eastern members and to send a loud
message to Russia’s President Vladimir Putin that military adventures in the
former Soviet space would create an even more dangerous crisis for Europe
than the seizure of Crimea. No one, including Putin, knows what he may do
next as the situation changes. The crisis in Ukraine raised the Crimea issue for
him both as a difficult problem as well as an opportunity, and he apparently
chose to seize the opportunity without much anticipation of the cost.
For that reason alone, NATO officials have something to worry about.
Alongside the political initiatives to create a negotiated outcome and the
sanctions to apply pressure on the Russian leadership, there is a military
dynamic that is becoming more worrying and urgent. Russian troop
deployments – amounting to nearly 50,000 personnel – are noted in Figure
1, with their reserve elements behind them. Ukrainian troop dispositions
as of a month ago are illustrated in Figure 2, though this analysis is now
becoming outdated since it is known that some Ukrainian forces have begun
to take up positions in eastern Ukraine (see Box 1), drawing away from such
a heavy concentration in the west. They appear to be doing this covertly,
however, and it is not currently possible to locate all of their new positions.

This whole situation is pretty shit

Screw the assholes trying to scare us with NATO though. As if anyone's scared of them

When it was the Maidanists rioting - it was outrage against the government, sanctions against Yanukovich, etc...

And now? "We will send in NATO!!!!!"

SBU of Nikolaev captured by pro Russians. ?

flamming_python wrote:This whole situation is pretty shit

Screw the assholes trying to scare us with NATO though. As if anyone's scared of them

When it was the Maidanists rioting - it was outrage, sanctions against Yanukovich, etc...

And now? "We will send in NATO!!!!!"

I'm up for a bet:
I think (actually, I'm willing to bet): If you ask for volunteers here in Macedonia, you'd get more than enough.
And NATO couldn't counter that with any sort of PR...because we're known to be the puppets of NATO...
Maybe Putin should think about it...would make a good PR point, eh?

flamming_python wrote:This whole situation is pretty shit

Screw the assholes trying to scare us with NATO though. As if anyone's scared of them

When it was the Maidanists rioting - it was outrage, sanctions against Yanukovich, etc...

And now? "We will send in NATO!!!!!"

Python.. the only problem is ..
there are no many Iskander yet in service available..
E - staff is equally  good also though..



Some wounded in clashes with Right Sector in Nikolayev.
10s of wounded activists in Nikolayev, they were ambushed by a larger group of Pravyj Sektor with traumatic weapons (i.e. rubber bullets). Apparently 1 dead

flamming_python,

This is the place to post news about the Ukraine region, not on "MP.retard" where you spend all your time arguing with members with very low intelligence.

Americans who don’t know where Ukraine is are more likely to support military intervention – poll

Those Americans who struggle to correctly point out even the continent Ukraine is located on are more likely to support US military intervention to resolve the crisis and the advancement of US national security interests, a new survey has revealed.

A newly published poll, conducted by three Ivy League professors, revealed that only one out of six Americans surveyed could pinpoint where Ukraine actually is on a world map. The survey also showed a worrying correlation in answers - the further the person thought Ukraine is from its actual geographical location, the more likely he or she was to support military intervention in a sovereign state.

In their study, conducted between March 28-31, Kyle Dropp of Dartmouth College, Joshua D. Kertzer of Harvard University, and Thomas Zeitzoff of Princeton asked 2,066 Americans where Ukraine was on a map and how they think Washington should respond to the crisis there.

The survey was conducted to “see where Americans think Ukraine is and to learn if this knowledge (or lack thereof) is related to their foreign policy views,” the authors explained in a Washington Post blog.

The results, combined in a heat map representing where respondents thought Ukraine was, show that only 16 percent of Americans correctly identified Ukraine on a map, with the median respondent being about 1,800 miles off. Some people thought Ukraine could be located as far south as Argentina or Australia, or as north as Finland.

In terms of demographics, the 18- to 24-year-old group provided a more accurate geo-location with 27 percent correctly identifying Ukraine, as compared to 14 percent of the 65+ year-olds group.



Gender correlations showed that 20 percent of males were successful at singling out Ukraine, while women had a 13 percent success rate.

US servicemen and their families also struggled to locate Ukraine on a map, with only 16.1 percent answering correctly. Non-military households had a 16 percent success rate. Self-identified independents secured the highest rating, with 29 percent correctly locating the Eastern European country.

When it came to political association, both Democrats (14 percent correct) and Republicans (15 percent correct) struggled to pinpoint the country.

College graduates also failed the geography exam, with only 21 percent answering correctly. Non-college graduates answered correctly 13 percent of the time.

“The proportion of college grads who could correctly identify Ukraine is only slightly higher than the proportion of Americans who told Pew that President Obama was Muslim in August 2010,” the authors pointed out.

The authors also argue that accuracy in determining the location of Ukraine suggests public opinion predisposition on military foreign involvement abroad. In their assessment, respondents were asked a variety of questions about what they thought about the current situation in Ukraine, and how they would want to see Washington react.

“The further our respondents thought that Ukraine was from its actual location, the more they wanted the US to intervene militarily, the greater the threat they saw Russia as posing to US interests, and the more they thought that using force would advance US national security interests,” the researchers

http://rt.com/usa/ukraine-location-intervention-poll-025/

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/monkey-cage/wp/2014/04/07/the-less-americans-know-about-ukraines-location-the-more-they-want-u-s-to-intervene/

New/or perhaps old development.. Hmm the UE, Japanese..bla bla bla Basically Western nations including the IMF are willing to put financial aid to "stabilize" energy situation in Ukraine following the withdrawal of Gazprom energy aid which sky rocketed the gas price Ukrainian have to pay for.

The goal for that is according to what i heard is to put out or at least Sustain the Ukraine to be able to buy gas while at the same time somewhat creating financial problem by increase of inflation in Russia which will hopefully force Russia to cut military budgets thereby weakening Russian military.

arpakola wrote:

cool, esp. liked the matte black ak.

Morpheus Eberhardt wrote:flamming_python,

This is the place to post news about the Ukraine region, not on "MP.retard" where you spend all your time arguing with members with very low intelligence.

I guess. And you're right I should.

Just get the feeling few people are reading here.

And it's also sorta like - 'preaching to the choir' around here

Werewolf wrote:And people trying to force me to be political correct and not to generalize when it comes to stupid people in the US, but i am right that the Absolute majority of americans are idiot and i mean idiots on the level of "Idiocracy" movie. Look at this map where people have pointed, they frikking pointed ukraine to be in god damn pacific, indian ocean, australia, african continent, american continents that is a freaking wonder that this global map didn't show the antarctic, there would be plenty of people pointing there like this dimwitt who pointed ukraine south east of australia near antarctis.

I really don't care if some people here try to be again political correct which is nothing more than conditioned behavior of censorship management, american population is in majority stupid beyond repair, it wouldn't be big of a problem if this idiots wouldn't be arrogant and deluded through 100 years of brainwashing that they believing that they are the white knight bringing democracy and never killing any innocent.

There is a good reason not a single country on earth has democracy, only pseudo democracies such as representative democracy where people chose someone that will 100% ignore everything he promised and than keep on working for banks,oil,MIC and other world dominating corporations.

George Carlin      "People are freaking goofy"

Come on Werewolf, we have plenty of American members here too - and they're among the most knowledgable.

I learnt a new word today - Evromudan

flamming_python wrote:

Morpheus Eberhardt wrote:flamming_python,

This is the place to post news about the Ukraine region, not on "MP.retard" where you spend all your time arguing with members with very low intelligence.

I guess. And you're right I should.

Just get the feeling few people are reading here.

And it's also sorta like - 'preaching to the choir' around here

Well, you were providing a news feed that was extremely useful to us.

As to them, they'll believe in whatever version of "reality" that their masters want them to believe in, and hearing the truth wouldn't make any difference to them.

During the ongoing world war, there is a meticulously planned purpose for their existence.

maidan activists divide money... interesting phrase at 2:30 - you're from Right Sector? not Samooborona? Then your claims are not to us - Right Sector has his own funding...

flamming_python wrote:I learnt a new word today - Evromudan

Is that some kind of trend in BDSM circles? 

Anyway to recap, the protestors are being pushed back as of today afternoon:

Kharkov regional administration was taken by the police early today morning. About 60-70 activists were arrested. None of them turned out to be Russian citizens, according to the head of the Kharkov police

This was after an altercation last night between the crowd and the police. Police threw gas grenades and flashbangs, first to control the crowd, and the right into the crowd, and a little later the crowd responded with some molotovs, albeit not directly at police officers. Something got set on fire in front of the administration building too.

Avakov (head of MVD) is now threatening to sack 1/3rd of the Kharkov police for 'sabotaging' the operation yesterday. Basically they just kept to the side and didn't do anything; it was the Poltava police that was fighting with the protestors, and a special unit from Kiev or somewhere else that took it and that's standing guard with assault rifles right now.
The Kharkov SBU had earlier told the protestors that they support them, when the protestors came there yesterday.
It seems that all the forces used against the protestors last night and today - were from out of the city.

Now there is a crowd gathering in front of the Kharkov administration, scuffling with the police.
Some people have gone on ANNA proclaiming a 'partisan war' in Kharkov, etc... but basically it's way to early to say how serious anything might be. IMO it could escelate, it could fizzle out.
It could calm down for now but build back up in the coming months as the economy worsens. We'll see what happens tonight too.

Donetsk, Lugansk SBUs, regional administrations are still holding, negotiations took place throughout the night between the protestors and Akhmetov, and some activists now report that there have been attempts to provoke them today, to show that the people occupying the buildings as something other than ordinary citizens.
All these buildings are well barricaded, with crowds aside forming an additional barrier.
Within several of them, there are armed men from various militia groups, as well as some people with clubs and so on - but by and large it's unarmed protestors.
Apparently in Lugansk moltovs are getting readied - the situation looks set to heat up soon

Mariupol's (Donetsk region) administration was seized yesterday. Haven't heard from it since.

But the main problem is that the protestors in Donetsk and Lugansk, while doing a lot better than last time - have failed to secure the rest of the city - police departments, TV & radio stations, airports, train stations, etc...
Last I heard they secured a TV station, and a group headed out to the airport, but little news has been forthcoming.
Basically - they are well entrenched, but nontheless in a precarious situation; police has effectively taken control of all the streets, etc... protestors just have these 2 buildings and in Lugansk's case some barricades on the surrounding roads too.

Nikolayev's protestors were few in number yesterday, they failed to achieve their objectives by and large; they may have occupied the administration or SBU buildings briefly. Either way - they were ambushed by a much larger force of Pravyj Sektor and/or Maidan self-defense forces, armed with traumatic pistols, armour and so on. Dozens received wounds, some have firearms wounds.
They themselves had no weapons, they resolved to do everything peacefully. Worked out great.

Odessa's protestors were building a tent-village last I heard yesterday. Haven't heard from them since.

Kherson's administration was reported seized yesterday but that looks to be BS now.

Same with the Zaporozhia SBU seizing - it was reported yesterday but it's likely BS.

Dnepropetrovsk had a number of protestors, but not enough to do much. Apparently, they reached an agreement with the local regional administration yesterday - they won't make any calls for seperatism, and in return they will be granted some space to gather and work in, inside the administration building.
Could turn out to be false though.

Japan is demanding the Ukraine return the money from the Kyoto agreement (800 mil. dollars), over its misuse not according to the terms of the agreeement (LOL!)

http://ru.slovoidilo.ua/news/1910/2014-04-08/yaponiya-potrebuet-ot-ukrainy-vozvracsheniya-kiotskih-deneg---mohnik.html

A bus with a police special unit inside was given a good thrashing in Kharkov by protestors. Suffice to say, they didn't let anybody get out near the administration building


Now some riot police were assaulted by old ladies and others in front of a police department in Kharkov


People are angry over what happened last night, the situation has become more volatile now.

Collapse of the Ukrainian currency, as it happens

http://www.xe.com/it/currencycharts/?from=EUR&to=UAH&view=1Y

Check out the graph for 1D too. Took another hit over today's/yesterday's events.