I posted the links here, in the last post.
https://www.russiadefence.net/t3742p45-russia-iran-military-cooperation
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GunshipDemocracy wrote:
Iran is considering the option of equipping the Russian air force su-30
РИА Новости http://ria.ru/defense_safety/20160210/1372363476.html#ixzz3zn5m8ptc
Why not MiG-35? would not be cheaper. Or also Yak-130 based light fighter in big numbers.
d_taddei2 wrote:GunshipDemocracy wrote:
Iran is considering the option of equipping the Russian air force su-30
РИА Новости http://ria.ru/defense_safety/20160210/1372363476.html#ixzz3zn5m8ptc
Why not MiG-35? would not be cheaper. Or also Yak-130 based light fighter in big numbers.
I think this is mainly down to the fact Iran will want to produce the aircraft long term, and the Iranian like the chinese like to copy equipment so maybe Russia doesn't want them to copy their new baby(Mig-35).
d_taddei2 wrote:
I doubt Yak-130 will be purchased anytime soon considering that Iran has 30x HESA Azarakhsh, 6x HESA Saeqeh, 60x Northrop F-5 Tiger II(modernised), and 20x Chengdu F-7 Airguard, and they have some Mig-29, and F5 trainers along with 25x HESA Dorna trainers, so the need for Yak-130 is slim.
d_taddei2 wrote:
i would also buy a mix of Mi-35 and Mi-28. Iran is lacking decent attack helicopters, the Toufan a copy of
d_taddei2 wrote:
the only thing really that the Iranian's dont need to purchase are UAV's this is a field despite sanctions have managed to produce fairly decent UAV's. (Russia take note).
GunshipDemocracy wrote:d_taddei2 wrote:GunshipDemocracy wrote:
Iran is considering the option of equipping the Russian air force su-30
РИА Новости http://ria.ru/defense_safety/20160210/1372363476.html#ixzz3zn5m8ptc
Why not MiG-35? would not be cheaper. Or also Yak-130 based light fighter in big numbers.
I think this is mainly down to the fact Iran will want to produce the aircraft long term, and the Iranian like the chinese like to copy equipment so maybe Russia doesn't want them to copy their new baby(Mig-35).
It is not abut love to copy but in case of severe sanctions to be able to do at least at copy level. Russia also denied S-300 influenced by zionist lobby. MiG-35 export version is still better then Su-30 not as a platform but as a multifunctional platform that still can do the job and better in terms of cost-effectiveness.
MiG-29M?as a stopgap before MiG-35 arrived agreed. Other planes? Su-34? Su-30? sure nice BUT costs would kill Iran.d_taddei2 wrote:
I doubt Yak-130 will be purchased anytime soon considering that Iran has 30x HESA Azarakhsh, 6x HESA Saeqeh, 60x Northrop F-5 Tiger II(modernised), and 20x Chengdu F-7 Airguard, and they have some Mig-29, and F5 trainers along with 25x HESA Dorna trainers, so the need for Yak-130 is slim.
Well F-5 as a airframe might be OK but IMHO is not even close anything like Yak-130 in terms of avionics.
You mentioned Saegeh - was in large part designed by MiG. Still in their money state (military budget like 14BLN $/yr) and dire needs lotsa localized fairly simple but effektive fighters (Yak-135? ) IMHO makes more sense then 12 or 24 Su-30.
Logistics also had price: as little models as possible an das many unified capable platforms.d_taddei2 wrote:
i would also buy a mix of Mi-35 and Mi-28. Iran is lacking decent attack helicopters, the Toufan a copy of
Ansat is very light, mi-2 class. Good choice wtr costs but I am still convinced Mi-24 (upgraded and overhauled form Russian stocks are better) and eventually licensed Mi-35.d_taddei2 wrote:
the only thing really that the Iranian's dont need to purchase are UAV's this is a field despite sanctions have managed to produce fairly decent UAV's. (Russia take note).
Iran´s UAV are build as reverse engineering or with usage of commercial modules. Russia cannot offer heavy class based on PAK-FA and other make no sense indeed.
d_taddei2 wrote:
i agree the Mig-35 is indeed a great aircraft i think the only thing the Su-30 has on the Mig-35 is more range. And of course i would rather see the
Yak-130 (armed) being flown by the Iranians i just dont see it happening due the number of F5 still in service and most have now had upgrades to which extend i dont know, and even if they were to come out of the armed role could still be used for trainers for some years, and like i said in the distant future that Yak-130 would be a good choice to buy. On the Mi-24 subject i thought most of the Mi24 frame in Russian service were nearing the end of their airframe life. Like i mention on the Ansat these would be bought to replace the Bell 214 and 205 which is pretty similar in size, and that the armed version Ansat 2RC would be ideal for scout/light attack, a mix of Mi-35 and these would be ideal. What i meant by Russia take note i feel this is an area where the Russian's compared to other countries are still lacking and behind on, i know they have had UAV/drones for over a 50yrs but projects like the Mikoyan Skat being cancelled etc, but i have to admit i aint upto speed on UAV/UCAV Russian development as i haven't heard much news on the matter.
Yak-130 won and there´s not much sense to loose capacity on 2 different lines. I am big fan of light fighter based on Yak-130 components. Or MiG LFI with vertical landing
From my understandung they replaced the american components on the lates of PS engines.
GarryB wrote:Yak-130 won and there´s not much sense to loose capacity on 2 different lines. I am big fan of light fighter based on Yak-130 components. Or MiG LFI with vertical landing
The Yak-152 is a turboprop basic trainer.
A Yak-130 is a jet powered lead in fighter trainer... they are totally different and it would make sense to use both rather than one or the other.
The turboprop you learn the very basics of flight and flight manouvers.
The lead in fighter trainer you learn more complex things like controlling a multi engined aircraft and navigation and basic weapons.
When you get to the unit you are assigned to then you learn in detail proper navigation and weapons operation, but you can use the LIFT for getting hours experience flying and keeping up your basic skills.
GarryB wrote:Ahh... yes... both LIFTs...
It is a shame for the MiG-AT as it seems to be a good aircraft... but it does not make sense to have both.
Solncepek wrote:POOR RUSSIA...
Россия не планирует поставлять Ирану танки или истребители, боевые платформы попадают под ограничение, заявил глава ФСВТС Андрей Фомин.
«Нет, не планируем», — сказал Фомин, отвечая на соответствующий вопрос журналистов.
Боевые платформы — универсальная базовая ходовая часть, используемая для производства различных видов военной техники сухопутных войск — танки, бронетранспортеры, боевые машины пехоты.
«Боевые платформы все попадают под ограничение. Когда будут раскрепощены соответствующие ограничения, тогда, возможно, и поговорим. На сегодняшний день разрешено только стрелковое вооружение и прочие нелетальные средства, средства ПВО, локация. Танки, самолеты, корабли, ракеты, которые предназначены для нападения, скажем так, то это все попадает под санкции ООН», — добавил Фомин.
d_taddei2 wrote:Solncepek wrote:POOR RUSSIA...
Россия не планирует поставлять Ирану танки или истребители, боевые платформы попадают под ограничение, заявил глава ФСВТС Андрей Фомин.
«Нет, не планируем», — сказал Фомин, отвечая на соответствующий вопрос журналистов.
Боевые платформы — универсальная базовая ходовая часть, используемая для производства различных видов военной техники сухопутных войск — танки, бронетранспортеры, боевые машины пехоты.
«Боевые платформы все попадают под ограничение. Когда будут раскрепощены соответствующие ограничения, тогда, возможно, и поговорим. На сегодняшний день разрешено только стрелковое вооружение и прочие нелетальные средства, средства ПВО, локация. Танки, самолеты, корабли, ракеты, которые предназначены для нападения, скажем так, то это все попадает под санкции ООН», — добавил Фомин.
most people on here dont understand Russian and the forum is in english so why post in Russian???? English please.
sepheronx wrote:
The idiot...
Solncepek wrote:sepheronx wrote:
The idiot...
Personal insult - i understand his anger to this news - but his behaviour is unacceptable...
Mod, please act!
Solncepek wrote:sepheronx wrote:
The idiot...
Personal insult - i understand his anger to this news - but his behaviour is unacceptable...
Mod, please act!
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Especially for d_taddei2 :
Russia has no intention of selling tanks to Iran, the chief of the federal service for military-technical cooperation Alexander Fomin has said, TASS reports.
"Such deals might be possible only when the bans are gone. Tanks, ships, missiles and other attack weapons fall under UN sanctions," he said.
The official has also pointed out that Russia is not working on "absolutely new " contracts to supply Iran with weapons.
Personal insult - i understand his anger to this news - but his behaviour is unacceptable...
Mod, please act!
The idiot is talking about the lack of sales of mil equip to Iran.
d_taddei2 wrote:Solncepek wrote:sepheronx wrote:
The idiot...
Personal insult - i understand his anger to this news - but his behaviour is unacceptable...
Mod, please act!
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Especially for d_taddei2 :
Russia has no intention of selling tanks to Iran, the chief of the federal service for military-technical cooperation Alexander Fomin has said, TASS reports.
"Such deals might be possible only when the bans are gone. Tanks, ships, missiles and other attack weapons fall under UN sanctions," he said.
The official has also pointed out that Russia is not working on "absolutely new " contracts to supply Iran with weapons.
thanks but i find this hard to believe considering that S-300 has now been deliver wouldn't this come under your so called bans? S-300 is more of a threat than tanks. I personally think there will be some big deals coming, along with production set ups in Iran most likely for Su-30, Mi-17, T-90, but with initial order first delivered from Russia then rest build in Iran