arpakola wrote: Strizh wrote:Hey what happened to the Tochka missiles it doesn't look like that it ever reached the target?
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"29.07.2014 in afternoon Ukraine time 4 SS-21 Tochka tactical ballistic missiles were fired by Ukraine Armed Forces. At least two were clearly aimed at Saur Moglia with the idea of the Ukes trapped in The Cauldron having a sudden escape route opened for them. Moments before launch Russian Federation units surged toward the border at The Cauldron area and to the north of The Cauldron.
None of the 4 Tochka missiles reached their targets. I repeat, none of the 4 Tochka missiles reached their targets and none impacted with the ground anywhere that can be found in anything close to one piece. As you know this missile can carry a tactical nuke, chem/bio, cluster munition or HE in the weight of just under 500 kilos.
When the 4 missiles failed to reach their targets the Armed Forces of RF immediately halted their surge and held position. They are in the same positions 30.07.2014.
There has been a noticeable slow down of fighting activity since the launches and Strelkov has pointedly said again that Novorossiya is open to negotiations.
The 4 Tochka missiles were shot down over Novorossiya territory occupied by Ukraine Armed Forces before the missiles reached their programmed height. They were shot down from inside RF according to normally reliable sources. No visual evidence has been provided of RF shooting down the Tochka systems nor of the system used to shoot down the Tochka missiles."
Russia SHould have at the very least a couple of S-400s defenses covering the area of Donetsk and Lugansk. Ballistic missiles major disadvantage over any other weapon (like artillery that is small or cruise missiles that covers unders radars horizon) is the easy to detect them by Radars for being Big Missiles ,and big heat emission. As an example ,Russia federation caught by Surprise US and ISrael when they claimed that detected 2 ballistic Missiles launched at the coast of israel when they were about to attack Syria with cruise missiles over the chemical false flag incident. Russia detected with precision the the trajectory of the missiles and the time ,at the same moment they were used and the detection came from Radars stationed in Southern Russia ,that is about 3,000km away. All said.. for Russia it will be automatic and simple the detection of any ballistic missile launched from Ukraine towards Russian borders to bomb Rebels positions. and Russian armed forces have to be ready to intercept them.. as soon they launched for the simple reason that they could be armed with Nukes or chemical weapons and they are not very precise weapons ,at least the first version of them.. can miss target by 200 meters ,if you mix that with the dozens of attacks already in Russian borders. That civilians have already been killed inside Russian territory.. Then Russia is on its legitimate Rights to intercept them.. because they pose a major danger to Russian territory .
Because the Rebels are fighting very close Russian borders ,It will be totally foolish for Russia to wait the ballisctic missiles impact on the ground to know if they aimed correctly to were they wanted or if totally missed ,and end hitting Russian territory . Another danger in not intercepting them for Russia.. is teaching NATO that their defenses are weak and could encourage them to try more .
What is very strange in all this... is that even CNN media is reporting about the ballistic launch of kiev . The Message for me is clear that the US gov do not see on their interest that Kiev use ballistic missiles in the war at least not now with Poroshenko in power.. perhaps is because they can cause major civilians casualties and hit a refugee center or kill International inspectors in Donetsk ,that have the goal to inspect the plane. Something like that will be a total disaster in public relations for kiev.. that International inspectors die in a ballistic attack.
Another interesting thing.. is.. if Russia intercept them.. Will Kiev complain about Russia intercepting them..
thus admitting they are using ballistic missiles in the process?
So if for example civilians die in another attack ,they cannot claim they are not using ballistic missiles because previously they told they are using them and Russia intercepting them..
Another thing is that Russian army if they had direct communication with Strelkov and rebels on the ground supplying logistic. They can also warn the Rebels when a ballistic missile have been launched and give a warning them with at least 30 seconds before a missile impact.. so that they can seek protection ..as they should already have by moving into a trench right on time before the missile impact.
Another thing that im very very curious is about and deserve discussion is ,what kind of Tochka missiles kiev have? Scarab A ,B or C? And how can they get acceptable precision with them.. because on wiki is said their guidance is (Inertial + glonass) and Kiev access to GLONASS (Russian satellite data) can be very easily blocked by Russia to kiev with Jammers sending the same signal on the ground but with incorrect information. My point is ,that Unless they managed to modify their Tochka missiles to use
American GPS data ,then they will have major precision issues with them. but IF the white house helps kiev with GPS information to use their Tochka.. then can be held accounted for any bad use of the missiles were many civilians end killed or worse international inspectors.
The Ukraine army according to wiki have (90) Toscka missiles ,thats a massive number for them ,for comparison same source say Russia have 220. So kiev have near half of what Russia have.wondering how they got them or if they can mass produce or if they are reverse engineering them. If so they can become a very dangerous weapon.. that not necessarily can make a major difference in the battle field..specially if they depend on Russian satellite information ,that Russia block to them.... but still can cause a lot of damage to cities and cause major casualties on civilians population.
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