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Russian Launch Vehicles and their Spacecraft: Thoughts & News
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kvs Sat Feb 10, 2024 10:30 pm
lancelot wrote:It could never be the exact same as Zenit as that was made by Yuzhmash in Ukraine.
Of course, but working from the same blueprints is much easier than a design from scratch.
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PhSt Sun Feb 11, 2024 5:10 am
kvs wrote:So the Soyuz-5 is an all new product and not a rehash of the Zenit. They would not need such fundamental testing if they were following established blueprints.
The Soyuz-5 should have a launch pad at Vostochny as a priority project.
Are there signs the project is going in this direction? the leadership of Kazakhstan has shown that it is vulnerable to NATzO meddling, which would compromise any project involving Russia in Baikonur. Until this territory has been liberated and incorporated back into Russia, focus on manned space launches should be on Vostochny.
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kvs Sun Feb 11, 2024 5:24 am
I have not heard of Soyuz-5 at Vostochny. I guess when the shit starts to smell in Kazakhstan, then there will be a scramble to build launch facilities there.
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George1 Wed Mar 27, 2024 12:10 pm
Amur-LNG launch complex to be built as single structure — Roscosmos official
Specialists of the Ground Space Infrastructure Facilities Operation Center (TsENKI) are planning to borrow the experience of the floating Sea Launch cosmodrome
MOSCOW, March 27. /TASS/. Specialists of the Ground Space Infrastructure Facilities Operation Center (TsENKI, part of Roscosmos) are planning to place the entire launch infrastructure for a future reusable methane-powered rocket Amur-LNG within a one-piece launch platform, thus building up from the experience of the floating Sea Launch cosmodrome, Nikolay Nestechuk, TsENKI CEO, has told TASS in an interview.
"As far as the launch complex is concerned, we have adopted the concept of using the so-called launch platform, borrowing the experience of the well-known Sea Launch, where all the technological equipment and in fact the entire launch complex constituted a single structure," Nestechuk said.
He noted that such a solution would reduce the time and cost of work, as well as ensure the safety and reliability of the launch infrastructure.
Roscosmos and RSC Progress signed a contract in October 2020 to develop a preliminary design of a space rocket complex for Russia’s first reusable methane-powered rocket Amur. The rocket having a reusable first stage will be launched from the Vostochny spaceport in the Amur Region. On March 10, 2023, Roscosmos announced that it would keep working on the reusable methane-powered Amur-LNG launch vehicle. It hopes to be through with finalizing the technical design by the end of this year.
About Sea Launch
The Sea Launch spaceport consists of the Odyssey launch floating platform and a command ship. The program operated until 2014, with 32 Zenit rocket launches performed from the platform based off the US coast. In 2014, Sea Launch activities were suspended, and in September 2016, the S7 group of companies became the owner of the rocket and space complex.
In the spring of 2020, the command ship and platform crossed the Pacific to be moored at the Slavyansk Ship Repair Plant dock in Russia’s Primorye Region. In late September 2021, Dmitry Rogozin, the then head of Roscosmos, said that the future of the Sea Launch floating cosmodrome should be determined soon.
https://tass.com/science/1766555
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kvs Wed Mar 27, 2024 1:59 pm
The reason for spreading out launch infrastructure is to minimize launch failure damage. Rockets detonating on the launch pad was not
unknown in the past. So any such unified structure must have sufficient levels of resistance to catastrophic failure, including falling back
to the ground of a failed launch where the large amount of fuel is a very potent bomb.
I am tired of listening to these "economics" arguments. They are total BS. The cost for building a launch complex cannot be slashed
by clumping some of the structures together. This is like all the moronic quality compromises over a few cents in consumer products.
The cost of making the product is not on a dial from zero to whatever. There is a minimum cost and if you are going to make this product,
then making it right is intrinsically affordable for the consumer. It does not increase the cost by several times. It is only market-tards
who think that they can recover billions from half cent savings. But these worms are always steering development projects and result in
more large costs down the road to deal with their "optimization" BS.
unknown in the past. So any such unified structure must have sufficient levels of resistance to catastrophic failure, including falling back
to the ground of a failed launch where the large amount of fuel is a very potent bomb.
I am tired of listening to these "economics" arguments. They are total BS. The cost for building a launch complex cannot be slashed
by clumping some of the structures together. This is like all the moronic quality compromises over a few cents in consumer products.
The cost of making the product is not on a dial from zero to whatever. There is a minimum cost and if you are going to make this product,
then making it right is intrinsically affordable for the consumer. It does not increase the cost by several times. It is only market-tards
who think that they can recover billions from half cent savings. But these worms are always steering development projects and result in
more large costs down the road to deal with their "optimization" BS.
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George1 Fri Apr 12, 2024 4:57 pm
Start-1M converted rocket slated for launch in 2026 — Russian Deputy PM
https://tass.com/science/1774381
https://tass.com/science/1774381
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Hole Fri Apr 12, 2024 5:10 pm
Topol-M?
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ALAMO Fri Apr 12, 2024 5:34 pm
They have a long lasting tradition to use demobilized missiles as carrier rockets, so ...
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TMA1 Sat Apr 13, 2024 12:46 am
Yup, and as tech has miniaturized it allows even micro and nano sats to be legit useful. Also in an event of war you would want quick ability go try and repair intel and comms satellites.
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Big_Gazza Sat Apr 13, 2024 3:28 pm
The first launch of the Russian reusable rocket "Amur-LNG" is planned for 2030
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Moscow. 12th of April. INTERFAX.RU - The first launch of the promising launch vehicle with a reusable first stage "Amur-LNG" is planned for 2030, Deputy Prime Minister and Head of the Ministry of Industry and Trade of the Russian Federation Denis Manturov said on Friday.
“This project is being implemented using new organizational approaches and technological principles, which will significantly reduce the cost of the product, and is also designed for the given cost of the launch service,” he noted.
In April 2023, the head of Roscosmos, Yuri Borisov, said that the creation of the Amur-LNG methane launch vehicle would be completed by 2028-2029. Completion of the technical design of the Amur-LNG complex is planned for the end of 2024.
On January 23, Borisov announced that Amur-LNG could become the basis of a super-heavy launch vehicle.
The Amur-LNG space rocket complex is being created at the Vostochny cosmodrome; it should be designed taking into account the possibility of controlled descent of the first stage of the rocket and its subsequent reusable use for launching spacecraft. It was reported that the returnable first stage of the rocket could be used up to 50 times.
On March 10, 2023, Roscosmos announced the signing of a state contract for the technical design of the Amur-LNG reusable rocket. According to the state corporation, the possibility of using the rocket for astronaut flights will also be considered.
On May 22, 2021, Roscosmos executive director for advanced programs and science Alexander Bloshenko said that the cost of launching the reusable methane rocket Amur-LNG, according to preliminary estimates, will be $22 million. According to him, in the reusable version of the Amur-LNG "will be capable of delivering no less than 10.5 tons of payload into the reference orbit, and no less than 13.6 tons in a one-time mission.
Amur-LNG should replace the current family of Soyuz-2 launch vehicles.
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thegopnik Thu Apr 18, 2024 6:05 am
musk says bring it on
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TMA1 Thu Apr 18, 2024 7:41 am
Good to see space competition again
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kvs Thu Apr 18, 2024 2:17 pm
Eric Berger is just another western hater retard. Borisov is perfectly justified in "bragging" about design plans. That is what planning is all about.
Westerners are so full of shit it comes out of their eye sockets and ears.
Westerners are so full of shit it comes out of their eye sockets and ears.
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Hole Thu Apr 18, 2024 4:32 pm
Not to forget their noses. 
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Big_Gazza Fri Apr 19, 2024 11:58 am
TMA1 wrote:Good to see space competition again
..except if Russia does develop cheap reliable access to orbit then the corrupt globalist scum who rule the Collective West will intensify the sanctions on Russian commercial launches and ensure that no payload with any Western components can be launched from a Russian (or Chinese) launcher. China had a burgeoning launch industry in the 90s, making big inroads into commercial launch market and taking market share from Western launch providers, only to have it executed by the Americans via sanctions to neutralise the competion.
This is why I always believed that Russia pursuing a commercial launch industry was a waste of time. If they succeeded and threatened to take any significant market share, the usual cast of scum and villany would simply change the rules to screw them over. Now because of the hysteria over Ukraine and the collapsing hegemony, such tactics have become basic policy.
Russia needs to focus on a launch industry that meets their national economic and security needs, plus a capability to build useful birds and offer such to friends and allies, 100% independent from the cnt regimes. It doesn't need to be the best or flashiest, it just needs to be reliable and cost effective and scalable to meet growth in demand.
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The-thing-next-door Fri Apr 19, 2024 1:00 pm
Big_Gazza wrote:
the corrupt globalist scum who rule the Collective West will intensify the sanctions on Russian commercial launches and ensure that no payload with any Western components can be launched from a Russian (or Chinese) launcher.
And result in the pindos having only the worst options for launching things into space.
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thegopnik Fri Jun 14, 2024 1:34 am
https://rostec.ru/news/rostekh-sozdast-pervye-otechestvennye-dvigateli-dlya-sverkhlegkikh-kosmicheskikh-raket/
The United Engine Corporation of the Rostec State Corporation will create engines that will ensure the launch of Russia's first ultralight rockets. They are designed to launch commercial satellites into Earth orbit, the payload of the launch vehicle will be about 250 kg, the corresponding agreement was signed on the sidelines of the St. Petersburg Economic Forum by UEC General Director Vadim Badekha and Managing Partner of the Voskhod Venture Fund Ruslan Sarkisov.
The parties agreed to develop modifications of liquid-propellant rocket engines for ultralight launch vehicles. They will be used for the first and second stages of space rockets. The implementation of the project, investments in which will amount to 2.7 billion rubles, will be carried out by the designers of the Samara enterprise UEC-Kuznetsov. Engines of this class are being created at UEC for the first time.
"The signing of an agreement of this level is of great importance to us. The project is strategically important, investments in it will amount to more than 2.7 billion rubles. For the first time in the history of modern Russia, an ultralight rocket will be created, and the design bureau of the Samara enterprise UEC-Kuznetsov will act as a developer of engine modifications for it. UEC has a large design and technical base, uses the most modern technologies, which will create a perfect product that will open up new opportunities for launching Russian satellites into Earth orbit," said Vadim Badekha, UEC General Director, member of the Bureau of the Central Council of Soyuzmash of Russia.
This year, UEC-Kuznetsov will already begin development work, taking into account the necessary technical characteristics of the engines.
"Our venture fund supports projects in the most promising areas. The creation of new engines that have not yet been produced in Russia is certainly one of these areas. We rely on leading companies capable of forming a new technological order. UEC is the flagship of engine building in many areas, and we are confident that it is the corporation that will be able to implement a project that will go down in the history of domestic engine building," said Ruslan Sarkisov, Managing Partner of the Voskhod Fund.
The United Engine Corporation of the Rostec State Corporation will create engines that will ensure the launch of Russia's first ultralight rockets. They are designed to launch commercial satellites into Earth orbit, the payload of the launch vehicle will be about 250 kg, the corresponding agreement was signed on the sidelines of the St. Petersburg Economic Forum by UEC General Director Vadim Badekha and Managing Partner of the Voskhod Venture Fund Ruslan Sarkisov.
The parties agreed to develop modifications of liquid-propellant rocket engines for ultralight launch vehicles. They will be used for the first and second stages of space rockets. The implementation of the project, investments in which will amount to 2.7 billion rubles, will be carried out by the designers of the Samara enterprise UEC-Kuznetsov. Engines of this class are being created at UEC for the first time.
"The signing of an agreement of this level is of great importance to us. The project is strategically important, investments in it will amount to more than 2.7 billion rubles. For the first time in the history of modern Russia, an ultralight rocket will be created, and the design bureau of the Samara enterprise UEC-Kuznetsov will act as a developer of engine modifications for it. UEC has a large design and technical base, uses the most modern technologies, which will create a perfect product that will open up new opportunities for launching Russian satellites into Earth orbit," said Vadim Badekha, UEC General Director, member of the Bureau of the Central Council of Soyuzmash of Russia.
This year, UEC-Kuznetsov will already begin development work, taking into account the necessary technical characteristics of the engines.
"Our venture fund supports projects in the most promising areas. The creation of new engines that have not yet been produced in Russia is certainly one of these areas. We rely on leading companies capable of forming a new technological order. UEC is the flagship of engine building in many areas, and we are confident that it is the corporation that will be able to implement a project that will go down in the history of domestic engine building," said Ruslan Sarkisov, Managing Partner of the Voskhod Fund.
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lancelot Fri Jun 14, 2024 5:11 am
What in heavens for? The Soyuz 2.1v and Angara 1.2 with roughly 3000kg payload to LEO already exist to fulfill the light launcher role. They can just launch the smaller satellites in containers. Like put ten satellites up in one go.thegopnik wrote:The United Engine Corporation of the Rostec State Corporation will create engines that will ensure the launch of Russia's first ultralight rockets. They are designed to launch commercial satellites into Earth orbit, the payload of the launch vehicle will be about 250 kg, the corresponding agreement was signed on the sidelines of the St. Petersburg Economic Forum by UEC General Director Vadim Badekha and Managing Partner of the Voskhod Venture Fund Ruslan Sarkisov.
Small launchers aren't that much of a good idea. They have a huge cost per launch compared with larger rockets. Customers often are universities and other such users who don't care much about delays in launch date. So you can just bundle satellite launches together. Just think about it. The Soyuz 2.1v and Angara 1.2 are already satellite launcher rockets with a single engine at the bottom. They already are as minimalist as you can design a rocket to be.
If you need something even smaller for whatever reason you have the Start-1. i.e. basically a used Topol ICBM. Russia has dozens of expired ICBMs and SLBMs which can be repurposed for launches.
If Russia wants to spend money on new rocket design they should just focus on making a reusable rocket. This would be kind of trivial for them to do. They already have the RD-191 engine. It can throttle down to 27%. It is based on the RD-170 engine which could be fired 20 times. They could make like a reusable rocket with five RD-191 in the bottom.
Russia has way too many rocket projects for its own good. Just Angara would be able to do all foreseeable current missions. It is a modular rocket family from Angara 1.2 to Angara A5V. They just need to build more Angara URMs to bring the cost per unit down. Right now they have a mostly unused brand new factory with idle staff. And all these rocket types are of no help. They just consume manpower and research and factory space for no good reason. The time when Russia launched a lot of commercial comsats is gone anyway thanks to US sanctions and Russia stopping launches for dual purpose Western satellites. Which is basically all of them.thegopnik wrote:The parties agreed to develop modifications of liquid-propellant rocket engines for ultralight launch vehicles. They will be used for the first and second stages of space rockets. The implementation of the project, investments in which will amount to 2.7 billion rubles, will be carried out by the designers of the Samara enterprise UEC-Kuznetsov. Engines of this class are being created at UEC for the first time.
UEC-Kuznetsov engineers could be doing much more significant work. Like working on the PD-18R engine. Or a turboshaft version of the PD-8.thegopnik wrote:"The signing of an agreement of this level is of great importance to us. The project is strategically important, investments in it will amount to more than 2.7 billion rubles.
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For the first time in the history of modern Russia, an ultralight rocket will be created, and the design bureau of the Samara enterprise UEC-Kuznetsov will act as a developer of engine modifications for it.
This rocket will compete with the New Zealand Electron rocket. This is beneath Russia's standing as a space power.
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GarryB Fri Jun 14, 2024 10:07 am
I wonder if they mean ground launched or air launched.
For smaller rockets up to 5 tons or so they could use MiG-31Ks as launch platforms, but for heavier rockets perhaps up to 10-15 tons maybe the belly location on the Tu-22M3 might do?
For smaller rockets up to 5 tons or so they could use MiG-31Ks as launch platforms, but for heavier rockets perhaps up to 10-15 tons maybe the belly location on the Tu-22M3 might do?
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Big_Gazza Fri Jun 14, 2024 10:08 am
There are plenty of uses for micro-launchers, eg rapid response launch of single-purpose military birds for wartime comms, recon, EW, ISR etc.
I fancy that the Russian military would very much like to have an inventory of ready-to-launch boosters that can be deployed from mobile transports similar to Topol/Yars TELs. Alternatively such engines could be used in sub-scale demonstrators for ultra-lights using winged fly-back return stages or those being developed for SSTO Koronas with its hydrolox aerospike engine. Without details, its impossible to know what they are talking about.
I fancy that the Russian military would very much like to have an inventory of ready-to-launch boosters that can be deployed from mobile transports similar to Topol/Yars TELs. Alternatively such engines could be used in sub-scale demonstrators for ultra-lights using winged fly-back return stages or those being developed for SSTO Koronas with its hydrolox aerospike engine. Without details, its impossible to know what they are talking about.
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kvs Fri Jun 14, 2024 2:59 pm
The key detail is payload under 1000 kg. None of the existing Russian launch systems are in this category. As discussed in other posts, microsats
and nanosats are evolving into viable platforms and not just toys.
and nanosats are evolving into viable platforms and not just toys.
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lancelot Fri Jun 14, 2024 4:53 pm
The Electron rocket has flown 49 times in seven years. You could fly the same payloads in like five Soyuz 2.1vs. This rocket.kvs wrote:The key detail is payload under 1000 kg. None of the existing Russian launch systems are in this category. As discussed in other posts, microsats
and nanosats are evolving into viable platforms and not just toys.
Just launching one a year would suffice. The market is that limited.
Russia won't have the benefit of Rocketlab, who make the Electron, and won't be launching small sats for the West. So there won't be 49 launches. I consider this project to be a boondoggle.
At least the reusable rockets have the promise of up to a tenth of the launch costs due to reuse. 95% of the rocket by value is thrown away in a typical launch. Fuel costs a pittance. Reusing the first stage might mean you get to keep like two thirds of the value of the rocket. Do this ten times over and it starts adding up. It is how SpaceX can launch constellations with 6,000 satellites like Starlink.
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kvs Fri Jun 14, 2024 5:18 pm
Who said anything about markets. People making the decisions aren't all acting on profit motives and are not all drooling retards.
The point, stands, this class of small rockets is not well developed in Russia.
The point, stands, this class of small rockets is not well developed in Russia.
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T-47 Fri Jun 14, 2024 5:32 pm
Instead of liquid fueled, I would like to see solid fueled engine. One derived from an existing ICBM like Yars should work. Mass production is already under way and they can be stored nicely.
@lancelot
Sounds like you don't have much clue about which way modern satellites are evolving. Cube sats aren't some university class project anymore. Both military and domestic sector would love a tiny launch vehicle to send sats cheaply.
@lancelot
Sounds like you don't have much clue about which way modern satellites are evolving. Cube sats aren't some university class project anymore. Both military and domestic sector would love a tiny launch vehicle to send sats cheaply.
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