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sweartome123- Posts : 37
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Trigger discipline is pretty new thing in Russian military.
Russia is bit lagging regards all the procedures, but I'm not sure if You are aware, but Russian NCO corps are getting bigger, more professional and more demanding. There are more and more videos and pictures of soldiers who follow this discipline. Russian army is still mixed bag when it comes training. AFAIK in some armies You get penalties for unintentional weapon discharge, I hope it is the same in Russian army too
Would keep those fingers in place.
And yeah, look at this, pointing weapon at Your buddy or Your buddies getting into Your cover zone..
It's not only gun safety, but tactics that needs to be improved. But they will get there, don't You worry.
Russia is bit lagging regards all the procedures, but I'm not sure if You are aware, but Russian NCO corps are getting bigger, more professional and more demanding. There are more and more videos and pictures of soldiers who follow this discipline. Russian army is still mixed bag when it comes training. AFAIK in some armies You get penalties for unintentional weapon discharge, I hope it is the same in Russian army too
Would keep those fingers in place.And yeah, look at this, pointing weapon at Your buddy or Your buddies getting into Your cover zone..
It's not only gun safety, but tactics that needs to be improved. But they will get there, don't You worry.
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sweartome123 wrote:GarryB wrote:Funny... asking questions and then having a rant before you have heard the answers... sounds a little like the answers don't matter to you?
BTW bad trigger discipline happens everywhere... do you really want us to post western special forces with fingers on triggers with targets not in sight?
I'm not ranting. I simply asked two questions and added my thoughts in regards to them.
"BTW bad trigger discipline happens everywhere... do you really want us to post western special forces with fingers on triggers with targets not in sight?"
This is irrelevant. I'm talking about gun safety in the Russian military, not anyone else. I don't care what is done or not done in the west.
It's just bothersome to see such widespread disregard for gun safety at the core of Russia's forces. Gun safety isn't a problem with more elite units like the military police, scouts, and special forces. It's a problem with your standard soldier. With Russia being an increasingly modern and professional military, I just don't understand why poor gun safety is so frequent. Gun safety is a smart measure that helps prevent needless injury or death and therefore needs to taken seriously.
You certainly have a valid point. I think we tend to jump the gun a bit ourselves around here when critique appears to single out Russia with little regard for its nearest equivalents. Gun safety in most militaries is utterly abysmal and it's only due to safeties themselves that a lot of FF casualties are avoided. That being said, Russian Forces could and are improving steadily as Regular noted.
Seeing US forces in the field on countless videos with their fingers glued to their triggers is a tad more scary, as these guys are actually in combat, whereas most Russian gun related mishaps occur on the training grounds. The blasè attitude behind American grunts has always been there and always will be from the looks of things, but this should not reflect on the level of discipline in the Russian Army.
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I'm not ranting. I simply asked two questions and added my thoughts in regards to them.
Your thoughts were answers to the questions you asked... why bother asking if you are providing the answers yourself?
This is irrelevant. I'm talking about gun safety in the Russian military, not anyone else. I don't care what is done or not done in the west.
Of course... Russia must live up to ideal western standards of practise but for goodness sake don't expect western equivalents to come close to those standards... do you work for the US State Department by any chance....
Why is gun safety only important in the Russian military?
Or in this discussion can we only look at problems for the Russian military in isolation and separate from everything else?
It's just bothersome to see such widespread disregard for gun safety at the core of Russia's forces. Gun safety isn't a problem with more elite units like the military police, scouts, and special forces. It's a problem with your standard soldier. With Russia being an increasingly modern and professional military, I just don't understand why poor gun safety is so frequent. Gun safety is a smart measure that helps prevent needless injury or death and therefore needs to taken seriously.
Gun safety needs to be taken more seriously by everyone, but my limited views of documentaries of Western forces in Afghanistan and Iraq it seems that gun safety becomes less of a priority in combat, but then that is common for many traditions... look at western claims of marksmanship.... single shots for everything yet most footage I have seen of US and British troops shows firing in bursts at often unseen targets. So much for accuracy the west prides itself in...
Lots of important stuff from the manual goes out the window when the shooting starts... and not just Russian manuals.
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Soldiers in Crimea had good trigger discipline, even when their mags where out. Look it up on pictures. Says something about BSF marines. Very professional soldiers, day and night difference from 58th army guys.
It's not russian army, but look at separatist instructors(I think they are advisors from Russian military so take it as You wish) in DNR,LNR who trained militia firing drills. Trigger discipline, combat movement, sector coverage and etc. Those drills looked more practical than I did in NATO army.
Look at Motorola and his weapon handling. He has russian military background.
It's not russian army, but look at separatist instructors(I think they are advisors from Russian military so take it as You wish) in DNR,LNR who trained militia firing drills. Trigger discipline, combat movement, sector coverage and etc. Those drills looked more practical than I did in NATO army.
Look at Motorola and his weapon handling. He has russian military background.
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True, but that's why You drill it into instinct. Vetted guys handle battle stress very well. Videos from Ukraine or Chechnya when guys do everything by the book could be used as an example.Lots of important stuff from the manual goes out the window when the shooting starts... and not just Russian manuals
I personally never seen combat, but got shot at few times. First time after me and my best army friend messed up in movement and we were supressed by our own MG. It pretty much paralyzed me as bullets were wizzing few meters past us to the target groups. Tracers could be seen, but I could't look back, it realy disoriented me. It has nothing to do with courage, You simply don't know how to react.
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does anyone know how many rounds Russian troops fire in training, and what the rifle marksmanship standards are to successfully pass out of training? (Rounds required to hit, ranges, targets used, time allowed to aim, etc.)
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Company tactical exercises in the Southern Military District
The newspaper of the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation “Red Star” under the heading “Theory without practice is dead. This principle has been adopted by the command of the Southern Military District ”published an interesting interview with the Deputy Commander of the Southern Military District, Hero of Russia, Major General Rustam Muradov.
In the winter period of training, the formations and units of the Russian army deployed in the South of Russia in combat training focused not only on improving combat skills in different conditions, but on a creative approach in the destruction of the “enemy”. This approach is used in the current half year. Our conversation with the Deputy Commander of the Southern Military District Hero of Russia, Major General Rustam MURADOV, is about why it is important for junior officers to think outside the box and act unpredictably and how this affects the outcome of the military training activities of the South Eastern Military District as a whole.
During the winter period of training, more than 12 thousand combat training events were held in formations and units. And this is about 8 thousand lessons in tactical training, more than 3 thousand combat shootings, about a thousand lessons in driving military equipment. Over 100 tactical and tactical-special exercises, including bilateral, were conducted with units in the company and battalion tactical groups.
No less productive is the summer period of study. In June, for example, more than 15 thousand practical exercises in combat training were held in the troops of the Southern Military District, almost half of them at night. In total, in the summer period of training, about 100 bilateral company tactical exercises will be held in the formations and units of the Southern Military District, which will make it possible to maximize the involvement of company tactical groups of combined arms and naval associations of the district.
https://bmpd.livejournal.com/3738052.html
The newspaper of the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation “Red Star” under the heading “Theory without practice is dead. This principle has been adopted by the command of the Southern Military District ”published an interesting interview with the Deputy Commander of the Southern Military District, Hero of Russia, Major General Rustam Muradov.
In the winter period of training, the formations and units of the Russian army deployed in the South of Russia in combat training focused not only on improving combat skills in different conditions, but on a creative approach in the destruction of the “enemy”. This approach is used in the current half year. Our conversation with the Deputy Commander of the Southern Military District Hero of Russia, Major General Rustam MURADOV, is about why it is important for junior officers to think outside the box and act unpredictably and how this affects the outcome of the military training activities of the South Eastern Military District as a whole.
During the winter period of training, more than 12 thousand combat training events were held in formations and units. And this is about 8 thousand lessons in tactical training, more than 3 thousand combat shootings, about a thousand lessons in driving military equipment. Over 100 tactical and tactical-special exercises, including bilateral, were conducted with units in the company and battalion tactical groups.
No less productive is the summer period of study. In June, for example, more than 15 thousand practical exercises in combat training were held in the troops of the Southern Military District, almost half of them at night. In total, in the summer period of training, about 100 bilateral company tactical exercises will be held in the formations and units of the Southern Military District, which will make it possible to maximize the involvement of company tactical groups of combined arms and naval associations of the district.
https://bmpd.livejournal.com/3738052.html
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The contract for the development of a laser combat training system "Strett"
As TASS news agency reported on September 27, 2019, the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation signed a contract for the development of the Stretta system, which will provide training at the special training ground for two brigades simultaneously using laser shooting simulators. This was reported to TASS by a source in the military-industrial complex.
"The Russian Ministry of Defense has signed a contract for the development work of Strett, which involves the creation of a complex of laser simulation tools for shooting and destruction for a specialized training ground," the source said. The source did not specify which Russian company won the tender for the development of the complex.
The interlocutor noted that laser firing simulators and destruction sensors will be created for all samples of small arms, armored vehicles, mortars and grenade launchers that are available in the Russian army.
"Also, within the framework of the ROC, software will be created that will allow a detailed analysis of the actions of the military and their mistakes during training at the laser training ground," the source added.
TASS does not have official confirmation of the information provided by the source.
Strett system
A tender worth 756 million rubles for the development of the Stretta system was published by the military department on the government procurement website in June this year. As follows from the tender documentation, development work should be completed in November 2021.
Earlier, the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation wanted to equip the Mulino training ground in the Nizhny Novgorod Region with a similar production system of the German concern Rheinmetall. The delivery fell through due to the sanctions imposed against Russia.
https://bmpd.livejournal.com/3788733.html
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Reading this makes me think of the scene in starship troopers with the laser tag like training.
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Sound good that the money is now going to a Russian company instead of a German one.
Would have said this system will save ammo, but of course it wont because they tend to use blank rounds for these sorts of systems... it certainly makes things much much safer when live ammo is not used.
This system should pick up friendly fire so any ND or mistakes in picking targets will be detected and can be dealt with.
Would have said this system will save ammo, but of course it wont because they tend to use blank rounds for these sorts of systems... it certainly makes things much much safer when live ammo is not used.
This system should pick up friendly fire so any ND or mistakes in picking targets will be detected and can be dealt with.