Great Patriotic War (USSR in World War II)

Correct : "Aleksandr Suvorov".

Gorky Park with captured German aircrafts on show :

Very interesting. By the way, what happened to all these captured aircraft? Western allies still have lots of them in museums, but it seems none survived in the former USSR.

Svyatoslavich wrote:Very interesting. By the way, what happened to all these captured aircraft? Western allies still have lots of them in museums, but it seems none survived in the former USSR.

The fate of all these captured aircraft in Soviet Union is unknown to me...some survived to be tested ... others were placed in museums, at least until the early 70s ... but the majority was unfortunately scrapped

archangelski wrote:
The fate of all these captured aircraft in Soviet Union is unknown to me...some survived to be tested ... others were placed in museums, at least until the early 70s ... but the majority was unfortunately scrapped

Just like most American aircraft after the war. Some of each type should be preserved but there isn't much point in keeping a bunch intact long after they become obsolete.

starman wrote:

archangelski wrote:
The fate of all these captured aircraft in Soviet Union is unknown to me...some survived to be tested ... others were placed in museums, at least until the early 70s ... but the majority was unfortunately scrapped

Just like most American aircraft after the war. Some of each type should be preserved but there isn't much point in keeping a bunch intact long after they become obsolete.

The Kubinka Tank Museum is full of unique pieces, some preserved from WWII, then why did they not also keep some planes ? A Bf-109G-2 was in Tsagi collection (with, at least, a Mustang Mk.1 and a Kittyhawk in US markings and a P-400 Airacobra and a Hurricane with British roundels)...then disappeared for an unknown destination.

Great vid

archangelski wrote:

That was a great little plane that the Soviets loved!
The photos are quite telling on the contribution of Allied kit in helping the USSR sustaining itself during 1941 and 1942.

That was a great little plane that the Soviets loved!
The photos are quite telling on the contribution of Allied kit in helping the USSR sustaining itself during 1941 and 1942.

The Soviets did like the Aircobra but they used it as an air to air interceptor and not a ground attack aircraft like the west thought they did.

Most of the material supplied in 41-42 was second rate cast offs... the Russians got British Aircobras because the British didn't want them.

Of course anything is better than nothing but claiming it helped win the war is a joke.

BTW it is amusing as the pilots that had the best kill records in American planes in the European theatre were Soviet pilots in Aircobras.

GarryB wrote:

That was a great little plane that the Soviets loved!
The photos are quite telling on the contribution of Allied kit in helping the USSR sustaining itself during 1941 and 1942.

The Soviets did like the Aircobra but they used it as an air to air interceptor and not a ground attack aircraft like the west thought they did.

Most of the material supplied in 41-42 was second rate cast offs... the Russians got British Aircobras because the British didn't want them.

Of course anything is better than nothing but claiming it helped win the war is a joke.

BTW it is amusing as the pilots that had the best kill records in American planes in the European theatre were Soviet pilots in Aircobras.

I find it curious that often the same persons who claim that the Lend-Lease had some sort of "miraculous" impact on the Eastern Front often downplay the role of the resistance movements in the winning of the Second World War.

So the Lend-Lease had a huge impact but the efforts of the partisans and other members of the resistance movements did not?

So why did German troops on the Eastern Front did not receive their Christmas of 1943 gifts until May of 1944? You can read about it in an English-language Western book about the Luftwaffe Field Divisions. Allied aerial bombings? I doubt it, since there were very few of these carried out over Poland and the occupied part of the Soviet Union. Some of these delays could have been actually caused by the Soviet air attacks, but most certainly not all.



You can check some related links on this matter:


Polish Partisans

http://michalw.narod.ru/index-ZiemiLubelskiej.html

http://michalw.narod.ru/index-SynowieMazowsza.html

http://michalw.narod.ru/index-ZiemiKieleckiej.html

http://michalw.narod.ru/index-GL.html

http://michalw.narod.ru/index-GL42.html

http://michalw.narod.ru/index-Rablow.html



Soviet Partisan "Railway Aces"

http://www.wio.ru/galgrnd/podryvnk.htm

TASS remembers the largest tank battle in history.

More:
http://tass.com/defense/1018342

George1 wrote:TASS remembers the largest tank battle in history.

More:
http://tass.com/defense/1018342

In recent years, revisionist works have challenged the standard narrative. IIRC Nipe determined, from records at the National Archives, that Prokhorovka involved only about 300 German tanks, which destroyed 650 Soviet tanks while losing only 70. The offensive was called off because of Soviet attacks elsewhere (Mius?) and the allied landing in Sicily, not because of Prokhorovka.

Well a simple thing called terrain means you can't have a battle where 2,000 tanks face off against 2,000 tanks.

The offensive was called off at Kursk because the Soviets stopped its forward progress and they (the Germans) had already committed more than 100% of their capacity there... they even delayed the start so other vehicles could be made available for the attack which still was stopped and pushed back.

The Soviets took the territory and therefore could reclaim and restore armour that was recovered from the battlefield, and the germans had little choice but to retreat, knowing their time was up because it was the first time they had been defeated in a summer offensive with full preparation and no excuses like Hitler screwed it up for us, or it was a little bit cold...

In the air the Soviet air force was also asserting itself with new aircraft like the La-5FN at least as good as any German equivalent turning the tide...