The Situation in the Ukraine. #10

https://www.youtube.com/watch?x-yt-ts=1422503916&v=53orCbYs4DA&x-yt-cl=85027636

Video of Novorussian AF.

What about that Bear in the background ?

Viktor wrote:What about that Bear in the background ?

It seems this is an aircraft museum in the background. There are also Su-24 and Su-27 planes. If Sukhoi company sends spare parts and engines for them and some technicians to help them, they could fly again.

Сводки от ополчения Новороссии
Игорь Панарин
О потерях бронетехники карателей Хунты в Донбассе со 2 мая 2014 г. по 28 января 2015 г. - Общие потери - Одна тысяча шестьсот пятьдесят семь (1657) единиц бронетехники
Уничтожение бронетехники
- 506 +101 (январь 2015)=607 танков
- 276 +47 = 323 БМП
- 198 + 4 = 202 БМД
- 489 +36 = 525 БТР.

Ukrainian losses in armor vehicles from May 2nd 2014 till today. They lost 607 tanks, 323 BMPs, 202 BMDs and 525 BTRs. In total 1657 armor vehicles.

Regular wrote:

medo wrote:

Regular wrote:So there was no encirclement. And seps got pushed away for now. Well sep propaganda sucked. You can hardly trust anyone these days.

Novorussian army never claim they made full encirclement of Debaltsevo area. They say they take positions on hills and vilages around to cover the road to Debaltsevo with artillery, to destroy all Ukrainian moves in or out. They are still fighting to close the circle around Debaltsevo area. Sometimes they even warn not to chear to early as the battle is still going.

Thats the point. Novorussian army said nothing. It was idiots with maps who started drawing crap. I cleaned up my sources now.

No you cleaned nothing.. Novorosiya never claimed they encircled debalsevo , only that they were very close to do it..
and still they are.. They have not been pushed out.. they are simple advancing slower..  There is actually a encirclement through Artillery.. which is at range of the main roads to enter in the city.. So is an artillery encirclement which can be as effective .. but not a physical encirclement as it could be with tanks blocking the routes.. Tell your sources they suck. You were the one claiming Strelkov was killed.. and that the donetsk airport was retaken by the Kiev junta.. when the Rebels had the airport for days..  

In my mind ,the information Seps were saying have not changed.anything. both Sep forces sides of the debaltsevo cauldron can see each other from visual distance in the north of the cauldron. So they had to be withing 30km of distance.. This means the roads to enter Devalsevo have to be withing 10km to 20km distance of their artillery. So is a virtual encirclement through artillery..  Means the Ukies are in big danger now..  The last information i saw is that the Rebels offensive have halted in almost every place BUT devaltsevo where they are advancing but at a lower pace. But also that the ukies are the ones retreating from devaltsevo before is completely sealed.

Here the last report on devaltsevo ..

"One more push is all it will take"--Debaltsevo Update

http://fortruss.blogspot.ca/2015/01/one-more-push-is-all-it-will-take.html

Is that sound to you like retreating , then cannot imagine how it will be an advance.. it even says the report
that not only artillery can reach the roads in debaltsevo but any kind of weapon.. so is a virtual encirclement..or
artillery encirclement.. Can be as effective as a troops encirclement if they deploy enough artillery it will be impossible for ukies to leave the place or anyone to enter or get reinforcements . Ukies had some advances in Mariupol but those are not strategic.. and meaningless.  same with debaltsevo south ,they took some territory apparently trying to break the siege from the south but also meaningless .. If they keep pushing they will get split
from the rest of the pocket.. similar to what happened  in previous mini cauldrons last years.. so it will be much worse for them.

That report was on 28 , so today 29 we will see another.

The worse thing that have happened apparently for rebels is that they have taken more than usual casualties in
the street fighting in devaltsevo which the already have enter in some parts.. because they have been fortifying for
months those positions since the MH-17 crash and cease of fire. I will not be surprised NATO build there Bunkers and underground facilities exclusively for them , that artillery alone cannot defeat easily and takes different strategy ,like
close combat and street fight.

medo wrote:

Сводки от ополчения Новороссии
Игорь Панарин
О потерях бронетехники карателей Хунты в Донбассе со 2 мая 2014 г. по 28 января 2015 г. - Общие потери - Одна тысяча шестьсот пятьдесят семь (1657) единиц бронетехники
Уничтожение бронетехники
- 506 +101 (январь 2015)=607 танков
- 276 +47 = 323 БМП
- 198 + 4 = 202 БМД
- 489 +36 = 525 БТР.

Ukrainian losses in armor vehicles from May 2nd 2014 till today. They lost 607 tanks, 323 BMPs, 202 BMDs and 525 BTRs. In total 1657 armor vehicles.

We also need to know how many of those vehicles were repaired and put back to work.again.. . Most of the times Tanks can be repaired . or at least know how many tanks Novofighters took control from kiev..

In other news.. here is an article where the first sentence is the most interesting of all the article..
Yarosh is recovering from another convenient wound..


http://fortruss.blogspot.ca/2015/01/yarosh-to-launch-waffen-ss-style.html

Is quite possible is a faked wound.. with makeup and hollywood help you will be amazed what they can do.NATO cannot allow the leaders of the most Russophonics factions to be killed ,because if they die and poroshenko killed or resign , or removed by force.. they will have no one to follow their policies against Russia and that could keep control kiev . I bet the bastard fakes the wounds to not participate in combat.. and become a hero too. the report of the link
talks about Yarosh seeking to create a new army that do not follow orders from kiev. This is convenient for NATO
because if Poroshenko goes sign a peace deal.. later Yarosh can assault with an army and poroshenko claim he didn't do it.

Apparently a mini cauldron fully closed inside the semi encircled devaltsevo.. just what i was saying before..
The ukies in the offensive who "Advanced"  separated from the main group and now fully encircled.

The latest from colonel cassad-- looks like it might be good news:

22-35
Militias DNR took full control of key locations in Debaltseve - Uglegorsk. The militia took up positions on all major intersections in the village, knocked almost all the military forces of the Ukrainian village and tonight will establish control over the road, which connects the city Debaltseve Artem. Thereafter, the so-called boiler will debaltsevsky polukotel. Meanwhile Ukrainian artillery continues to strike militia forces in the village and the District to prevent the complete encirclement groups of 8 thousand troops.
The film crew RTR is now in Uglegorsk, here visited Alexander Zakharchenko - Head of Donetsk People's Republic. He said that after today essentially formed a new boiler under Debaltseve, and grouping Ukrainian security officials got into the fire environment.
Militias have taken all the key heights near the road that connects the group with logistics. Now the Ukrainian security forces will not be able to obtain the necessary food, ammunition, medical supplies, can not receive the completion of Artemovsk. The connection between the group and headquarters in Debaltseve so-called anti-terrorist operation is blocked. Over the past twenty-four hours in captivity militia surrendered 14 Ukrainian military.

https://translate.google.com/translate?sl=ru&tl=en&js=y&prev=_t&hl=en&ie=UTF-8&u=http%3A%2F%2Fcolonelcassad.livejournal.com%2F&edit-text=&act=url

The next 24 to 48 hours will be really interesting. We will see the tipping point of the conflict if ukies
will push back the rebels or if their luck is already sealed.

higurashihougi wrote:Franco has just posted the source in English.

http://sputniknews.com/europe/20150129/1017514425.html

I would like to add the Ukraian source  

http://www.5.ua/ato-na-shodi/myjenko-ykrajna-ne-maye-dokaziv-masovoj-ychasti-zbroinih-sil-rf-y-boyah-na-donbasi-68687.html

http://podrobnosti.ua/accidents/2015/01/29/1013498.html

You should read the comments beneath ukr propaganda, they are all funny as hell.

medo wrote:

Сводки от ополчения Новороссии
Игорь Панарин
О потерях бронетехники карателей Хунты в Донбассе со 2 мая 2014 г. по 28 января 2015 г. - Общие потери - Одна тысяча шестьсот пятьдесят семь (1657) единиц бронетехники
Уничтожение бронетехники
- 506 +101 (январь 2015)=607 танков
- 276 +47 = 323 БМП
- 198 + 4 = 202 БМД
- 489 +36 = 525 БТР.

Ukrainian losses in armor vehicles from May 2nd 2014 till today. They lost 607 tanks, 323 BMPs, 202 BMDs and 525 BTRs. In total 1657 armor vehicles.

If these figures are accurate and add that to vehicles that have been captured, the Ukrainian army is well and truely stuffed, they must be digging out many vehicles that are in reserves but this is going to cost them a lot of money to get them back on the road, and many of these vehicles will be very outdated. Also this isn't taking into numbers of aircraft lost and servicemen killed and wounded. Ukrainian army should really call it a day and sit down and make a deal.

Russian media channel announce the Debaltsevo cauldron.

8,000 Ukrainian troops are surrounded. Key localities Uglegorsk and Mikhailovka were taken by NAF.  This allows the gap in Debaltsevo cauldron to be subjected to cross fire from LPR and DPR forces, therefore UAF supplies cannot get in and troops cannot get out.

The report shows Alexander Zakharchenko, the head of DPR, on the frontlines along with his troops.
Zakharchenko offered Ukrainian troops to lay down weapons and surrender.

The heavy shelling, shown in the video, came overnight from UAF positions 25 kilometers away.


Yesterday the Ministry of Defense of DPR announced that instead of taking troops out Kiev command was still bringing more troops into the Debaltsevo cauldron.

Looks like they didn't learn anything since the summer...

After they capture 2 new towns, they now officially are declaring an encirclement through fire ,Lugansk and Donetsk forces both can pin down the entry roads to debaltsevo.. with any artillery or mortars.. will make very hard for the ukies to enter or retreat with supplies..or tanks without seriously risking their lives..

5 civilians killed in Donetsk by kiev junta forces.. (graphic warning)

Vann7 wrote:Russian media channel announce the Debaltsevo cauldron.

8,000 Ukrainian troops are surrounded. Key localities Uglegorsk and Mikhailovka were taken by NAF.  This allows the gap in Debaltsevo cauldron to be subjected to cross fire from LPR and DPR forces, therefore UAF supplies cannot get in and troops cannot get out.

The report shows Alexander Zakharchenko, the head of DPR, on the frontlines along with his troops.
Zakharchenko offered Ukrainian troops to lay down weapons and surrender.

The heavy shelling, shown in the video, came overnight from UAF positions 25 kilometers away.


Yesterday the Ministry of Defense of DPR announced that instead of taking troops out Kiev command was still bringing more troops into the Debaltsevo cauldron.

Looks like they didn't learn anything since the summer...

After they capture 2 new towns, they now officially are declaring an encirclement through fire ,Lugansk and Donetsk forces both can pin down the entry roads to debaltsevo.. with any artillery or mortars.. will make very hard for the ukies to enter or retreat with supplies..or tanks without seriously risking their lives..

5 civilians killed in Donetsk by kiev junta forces.. (graphic warning)

Don't let them surrender, that is the worst mistake that can be made. If you let them surrender, they will just go back, re-group and come back. Kill them bastards and send them a message, after all they did not want to come to Belarus and talk peace.

It always sucks when civilians are killed but I think the fascists are targeting the civilians on purpose., they do this in Syria, Iraq and everywhere. This just tells you that they are all from same evil pool.

par far wrote:
It always sucks when civilians are killed but I think the fascists are targeting the civilians on purpose., they do this in Syria, Iraq and everywhere. This just tells you that they are all from same evil pool.  

But remember that TR1 told Ukraine have the legitimate rights to "defend its territory"..  and that they should return Crimea to kiev.. and that Russia have no right to interfere there...not even if thousands of civilians women and children are systematically killed for their support to Russia. In chechenia Russia bombed thousands of civilians too for fun ,so they have no justification to protect civilians in Ukraine..  SO according to him anything that kiev is doing is none Russia business and should look to the sides regardless if thousands or millions are killed there. . If this was the 40s.. he will be in the side of Hitler for sure..and complain of Stalin invading Germany.. is not right. to invade other nations ever.

Zacherenko himself in Debaltsovo

Soviet style general

Vann7 wrote:

par far wrote:
It always sucks when civilians are killed but I think the fascists are targeting the civilians on purpose., they do this in Syria, Iraq and everywhere. This just tells you that they are all from same evil pool.  

But remember that TR1 told Ukraine have the legitimate rights to "defend its territory"..  and that they should return Crimea to kiev.. and that Russia have no right to interfere there...not even if thousands of civilians women and children are systematically killed for their support to Russia. In chechenia Russia bombed thousands of civilians too for fun ,so they have no justification to protect civilians in Ukraine..  SO according to him anything that kiev is doing is none Russia business and should look to the sides regardless if thousands or millions are killed there. . If this was the 40s.. he will be in the side of Hitler for sure..and complain of Stalin invading Germany.. is not right. to invade other nations ever.

TR1 is a brainwashed Zionist tool. If you look at Syria and Iraq, the terrorists are doing exactly what the fascists are doing in Ukraine and that is shelling civilians. This just proves the same evil that trained the terrorists in Syria and Iraq, trained the fascists in Ukraine.

My suggestion for Novorussian air force roundel based on Novorussian flag colors.

Don't know if this has already been posted.

First pictures emerge of Ukrainian pilot claimed to have downed MH17 killing all 298 victims on board

medo wrote:

My suggestion for Novorussian air force roundel based on Novorussian flag colors.

Looks too much like a target.

Morpheus Eberhardt wrote:Don't know if this has already been posted.

First pictures emerge of Ukrainian pilot claimed to have downed MH17 killing all 298 victims on board

Meet the pilot who shot down Malaysian plane

par far wrote:

Vann7 wrote:

par far wrote:
It always sucks when civilians are killed but I think the fascists are targeting the civilians on purpose., they do this in Syria, Iraq and everywhere. This just tells you that they are all from same evil pool.  

But remember that TR1 told Ukraine have the legitimate rights to "defend its territory"..  and that they should return Crimea to kiev.. and that Russia have no right to interfere there...not even if thousands of civilians women and children are systematically killed for their support to Russia. In chechenia Russia bombed thousands of civilians too for fun ,so they have no justification to protect civilians in Ukraine..  SO according to him anything that kiev is doing is none Russia business and should look to the sides regardless if thousands or millions are killed there. . If this was the 40s.. he will be in the side of Hitler for sure..and complain of Stalin invading Germany.. is not right. to invade other nations ever.

TR1 is a brainwashed Zionist tool. If you look at Syria and Iraq, the terrorists are doing exactly what the fascists are doing in Ukraine and that is shelling civilians. This just proves the same evil that trained the terrorists in Syria and Iraq, trained the fascists in Ukraine.

Ukraine is not the only one shelling civilians at all and you know that damn well...

d_taddei2 wrote:

medo wrote:

Сводки от ополчения Новороссии
Игорь Панарин
О потерях бронетехники карателей Хунты в Донбассе со 2 мая 2014 г. по 28 января 2015 г. - Общие потери - Одна тысяча шестьсот пятьдесят семь (1657) единиц бронетехники
Уничтожение бронетехники
- 506 +101 (январь 2015)=607 танков
- 276 +47 = 323 БМП
- 198 + 4 = 202 БМД
- 489 +36 = 525 БТР.

Ukrainian losses in armor vehicles from May 2nd 2014 till today. They lost 607 tanks, 323 BMPs, 202 BMDs and 525 BTRs. In total 1657 armor vehicles.

If these figures are accurate and add that to vehicles that have been captured, the Ukrainian army is well and truely stuffed, they must be digging out many vehicles that are in reserves but this is going to cost them a lot of money to get them back on the road, and many of these vehicles will be very outdated. Also this isn't taking into numbers of aircraft lost and servicemen killed and wounded. Ukrainian army should really call it a day and sit down and make a deal.

Replacement equipment apparently on route.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XPQYp-HZfDQ&feature=youtu.be

Flyingdutchman wrote:

par far wrote:

Vann7 wrote:

par far wrote:
It always sucks when civilians are killed but I think the fascists are targeting the civilians on purpose., they do this in Syria, Iraq and everywhere. This just tells you that they are all from same evil pool.  

But remember that TR1 told Ukraine have the legitimate rights to "defend its territory"..  and that they should return Crimea to kiev.. and that Russia have no right to interfere there...not even if thousands of civilians women and children are systematically killed for their support to Russia. In chechenia Russia bombed thousands of civilians too for fun ,so they have no justification to protect civilians in Ukraine..  SO according to him anything that kiev is doing is none Russia business and should look to the sides regardless if thousands or millions are killed there. . If this was the 40s.. he will be in the side of Hitler for sure..and complain of Stalin invading Germany.. is not right. to invade other nations ever.

TR1 is a brainwashed Zionist tool. If you look at Syria and Iraq, the terrorists are doing exactly what the fascists are doing in Ukraine and that is shelling civilians. This just proves the same evil that trained the terrorists in Syria and Iraq, trained the fascists in Ukraine.

Ukraine is not the only one shelling civilians at all and you know that damn well...

Overwhelmingly it is. Rebels haven't been shelling any settlements consistently; at most just some counter-battery fire, corrections or whatever, that causes collateral damage.
If you look at Donetsk or Gorlovka that have been shelled every single day for weeks on end by now - you'll see that these are rebel-held settlements.. guess who's shelling them?

Mariupol and other towns are well within rebel artillery range now. With the exception of that fuck up last week (still not confirmed to be rebel artillery), they haven't been getting touched.

You see, the rebels need the locals on their side.
Kiev needs the locals gone.