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The real Red flags are the activities of Iran military recently : ( 1 ) Incursion into R . Azer territory , inviting retaliation ( 2 ) Artillery strike into Iraq Kurd region , inviting retaliation . ( 3 ) Provocative live fire against crowds , inviting retaliation . And we have a very suspicious attack on shrine , very very quickly attributed to ISIS , inviting retaliation . The Red flags over Mosque ( A battle cry of Shia Muslims ) are not reported at all in Iran news media today . Therefore the March to war , seems directed from the military , rather than media , or religious leadership .

This whole story stinks.

Iran is geopolitically in a better position than at any other point during the last 50 years. It is striking hydrocarbon deals left and right, is fully integrated in China's BRI and has a relationship with Russia that is coming close to a de facto alliance. It is projecting power down the Shia/Persian speaking world due to its cultural soft power/ religious authority and network of militias.

It's (former?) enemy SA was beaten in Yemen and now pivoting away from Washington, with lots of talk between the SA+Iran leadership on rapprochement (ie end the manufactured Sunni-Shia split) en the Saudis (like Iran) joining BRICS+ the SCO. Small ball neighboring states like Armenia are looking at Iran for protection.

The threat of a joint US/Israel attack seems to have subsided. Syria has stabilized. Iraq remains a headache but not of the size it was before.

So all is wel one would think, keep deepening those ties and build up the economy hence military..

.. And suddenly some bozo in Qom raises the red 'warflag' on one of their main religious institutions. Wargames in both the Northwest and Southeast. Artillery+drone attacks in Kurdish Iraq. Belligerent talk against Azerbaijan. An 'IS' bomb blast in Shiraz literally out of nowhere - which is now getting tied to the Saudis (and US+UK) by the Iranian establishment. And the talk of Iranian attacks on Saudi via Yemen.

Iranian leadership has been exceptionally prudent during the last decades. Assad was literally on his own until the jihadists were less than a kilometer from his palace on Qassioun Mountain. They never respond to any Israeli aggression due to lacking deterrents and fear of repercussions.

And these same people are now going to attack Saudi over a minor thing like this bomb blast?

Not buying it.

In my opinion this could instead be a ploy to put the next nail in the coffin of the US. A limited exchange between the Saudi and Iran would potentially (even only in theory is enough) make oil prices spike even further, something which both Iran and Saudi profit from. Everybody knows how hard the US is trying to get those prices down, and how the high(er) oil prices have become a matter of national security.

It's a hypothesis but one that makes more sense than the whole 'Iran is now suddenly going to launch missiles at Saudi out of nowhere'.

Since this forum is read by many , I have to remind about holding protests and crowd control again . Iranian police and security , if indeed interested in crowd control and not fomenting a chaotic anarchic uprising or a collapse of all authority or coup or foreign intervention , should pay attention . Governments friendly to Iran should offer training and advice to Iran security , in effective crowd control . Here is my take on it , the police should immediately :

( 1 ) Live military  rounds of AK47 , keep getting used to kill protesters . These should stop .

( 2 ) Shot guns are causing unnecessary injury or death , some protesters getting blinded or killed by them . These should stop .

( 3 ) Tear gas and pepper spray have been used in enclosed spaces or houses , or where crowds are trapped and can not disperse  or sprayed directly in mouths . These
       should stop .

( 4 ) Heavy batons and blows to head , have resulted in many deaths . These should stop .

( 5 ) Only Long and light weight batons or whips should be used , that will not cause death by blow to head , together with Long shields .

( 6 ) Huge crowds that can hardly safely be stopped , should be allowed to pass .

( 7 ) Police can agree with protesters to empty streets , and hold demo safely in open area .

The protesters should :

( 1 ) Not block streets or take over government buildings .

( 2 ) Not shout about the slogan of " Death to ...... , " Instead shout about " Long live ...... "

The people should :

( 1 ) Not to go on  strike or close shops .

( 2 ) To form political parties and new constitution .

The Army should :

( 1 ) Not allow a coup or foreign intervention . Or start a war right now , in critical situation .

Everyone should :

Identify the provocateurs who are shooting and killing people or abducting them , and stop their work or government department responsible .

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=m-FsJJ24EEg

Iran should get modern anti riot gear and equipment from China. Venezuela did it and that was basically how they stopped the US funded rebellion.

I do not know what they did , and what equipment they had ( Tiananmen was not good tactics ) . But basically only light weight batons and long shields are needed . The British police have mostly good tactics .

You probably as never seen a modern antiriot equipment. You should do some research, a cery good start is a democratic South Korea

...can any astute member tell me what in the hell is going on in Iran? Nomadski you seem to know what's up. Clearly my corrupt government is involved. With a senile puppet held up as pretend president. Those neocons and neolibs controlling everything are VERY upset at Iran for helping Russia. Wtf is your military doing? Are there factions bought or corrupted by the neocons and neolibs? Sounds like the government of Iran is not just losing control of some of the population but some of the military. Ffs we are even threatening direct intervention if iranian government doesnt come back to the nuclear deal. We need to throw these bastards out here in America. So many of them tho.

What do you guys think is going on? Who are the players? Anyways thanks and would be a great help.

@ TMA1

Put simply , these protests have been going on for a very long time . The struggle goes back 70 years or more , and is between the right and left wing . The right wing in Iran is very strong and has held power since forever , and will not form a democratic republic with the left wing , which has been weak and fragmented . The entry of USA into the equation , is one of helping the anti - democratic right wing ( the Shah ) against the democratic left wing ( 1953 -  the coup against democratic government of Mossadegh )  . In the past decades , there has been 50 or more political parties that have come and gone , not being able to establish themselves . Their names being forgotten and being lost to history . At the moment many external powers prefer the status quo , since they prefer the devil they know , and do business with the present administration ( Russia / China ) . And some know ( UK ) that it if there is change in Iran , that it may not be the Shah that comes back , but those pesky socialist lefties ! However they ( USA )  prefer to have the Shah in power , as do some wealthy Iranians , rather than the status quo , who do not dance to their tune .  Mani / Mazdak was Iranian , was the world's first socialist .  He was murdered by the clergy .


https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mazdak

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mani_(prophet)

TMA1 wrote:...can any astute member tell me what in the hell is going on in Iran? Nomadski you seem to know what's up. Clearly my corrupt government is involved. With a senile puppet held up as pretend president. Those neocons and neolibs controlling everything are VERY upset at Iran for helping Russia. Wtf is your military doing? Are there factions bought or corrupted by the neocons and neolibs? Sounds like the government of Iran is not just losing control of some of the population but some of the military. Ffs we are even threatening direct intervention if iranian government doesnt come back to the nuclear deal. We need to throw these bastards out here in America. So many of them tho.

What do you guys think is going on? Who are the players? Anyways thanks and would be a great help.

Just an attempt at causing a crisis between Iran and Saudi Arabia in the hopes of justifying the US presence in the region, along with a more predictable attempt at regime change in Iran employing all the standard useful idiots, while nomadski here unwittingly fulfills his role too in providing cover for a foreign coup attempt in his country with his polemics on Iranian domestic politics. Now's not the time nomadski. Not the time

Frankly if either the Saudis or the Iranians are stupid enough to fall into the trap, then they deserve to be ruled by the neo-libs in Washington for the rest of eternity

If we wait in fear of a coup or intervention , we will forever be waiting . And I support Iranian people in their right to form democratic state , by democratic and peaceful means . However it is important to distinguish the right path that will lead to progress , from one that will not . I think you may have missed my previous posts , where I emphasise the importance of forming political parties right now , and a collective effort to write new constitution , leading to a referendum and a new Republic .

However it is the anti - democratic elements , that are attempting to hijack the peaceful protest and political movement by : ( 1 ) provoking an armed  conflict , both internally and externally . ( 2 ) A hijack of political movement by Shah supporters , by foreign media . ( 3 ) Calling for sanctions and strikes and non -payment of taxes to cripple the entire  state apparatus .

Now is exactly the time , to confront these forces and identify them . Both internal elements , and their external  conspirators , which are in essence forming the same front .Saying nothing ( about Iranian domestic politics )  as is the preferred mode of conduct on this forum ( A little awkward for Russia ) , will not lead to the preservation of the status quo ( good relationship with Russia / China )  . But will mean anti - democratic colour revolution or pro - western coup , or military intervention or a combination of all these , brought on by deliberate military / security provocations by elements inside / outside Iran .

nomadski wrote:If we wait in fear of a coup or intervention , we will forever be waiting . And I support Iranian people in their right to form democratic state , by democratic and peaceful means . However it is important to distinguish the right path that will lead to progress , from one that will not . I think you may have missed my previous posts , where I emphasise the importance of forming political parties right now , and a collective effort to write new constitution , leading to a referendum and a new Republic .

However it is the anti - democratic elements , that are attempting to hijack the peaceful protest and political movement by : ( 1 ) provoking an armed  conflict , both internally and externally . ( 2 ) A hijack of political movement by Shah supporters , by foreign media . ( 3 ) Calling for sanctions and strikes and non -payment of taxes to cripple the entire  state apparatus .

Now is exactly the time , to confront these forces and identify them . Both internal elements , and their external  conspirators , which are in essence forming the same front .Saying nothing ( about Iranian domestic politics )  as is the preferred mode of conduct on this forum ( A little awkward for Russia ) , will not lead to the preservation of the status quo ( good relationship with Russia / China )  . But will mean anti - democratic colour revolution or pro - western coup , or military intervention or a combination of all these , brought on by deliberate military / security provocations by elements inside / outside Iran .

And who are these mysterious people, who would declare a secular Iranian democratic republic while maintaining its sovereignty?

I don't know much at all about Iranian domestic politics. I do know that it once had a lively and pluralistic political scene, particularly around the time of the revolution against the Shah. But that's an age away.

By now the right-wing Islamic revolutionaries have long established their new Iranian state, or dynasty if you will - and have broadened their base of appeal. The regime has enlisted the support of not just religious conservatives, but also Iranian nationalists, various minorities such as the Armenians and Shia Arabs, and now with the ascension to BRICS - increasingly a business elite that's orientated towards China, Russia, India and other non-Western economies.

And against such a broad front you of course witness a broad anti-front. Which will include most of the progressives, liberals, pacifists, globalist-orientated bourgeois, some separatist organizations among the Kurds and Baluchis; but here's the thing - they will necessarily be supported by the West. And will necessarily answer to them if they get into power. They have no other sponsor. Or otherwise, these groups may have different interests and may fight among each other for power themselves - but the agenda of the ones with Western support will win out.

Therefore it ultimately comes down to a choice between two evils. A reformist Iran but one whose sovereignty is subservient to outside powers - the same ones who wreck havoc in the Middle East, or a hardline Iran set in its ways but which is charting a course as independent pole in a multi-polar world?

Ultimately I think Iran will go the way of the USSR. In that there will come a time when it will stagnate and cynicism will build up among its own population, and then its elites who by then only pay lip-service to its founding ideology, will shed the rest of the pretense. Then you will certainly witness a time of rapid change and many new ideas.
That time however is still decades away. Right now Iran is expanding and growing successfully and in every measure the future looks bright, and the nationalism of enough of its population shields the country from any revolution or coup while it is still threatened by the West.

The democratic model ( secularism is not democratic ) is so far the best model of governance . It is possible to formulate a constitution , that allows for flexibility and adaptability in political life . If this practice is well established in a society , and becomes part of it's  culture , then it matters not , what ideology or group or class comes to power . Since there is always an opportunity for the people to change their minds and try new avenues and Roads . Not only groups or political parties , but individuals do change their minds , in their own lifetimes . So structures are needed , to allow for this .

Future generations will have tremendous challenges to solve . And our present societies and governments are mostly incapable of meeting these challenges for lack of a truly democratic / scientific state apparatus . To solve such problems , present and future generations will have to create structures and societies that will be completely unrecognizable to us . And they will not resemble very much , our present lives . But having a democratic structure to their society , will I believe , serve them best .

So the best route for any and all societies , is a democratic one . Whether a society or all societies can form such structures , based on reason and science and the benefit they will bring to society , or they fail , is not entirely  known at present . The progress humanity makes is very slow , and problems humans face are increasing rapidly . So if you ask me for a prediction , then I have to say that , humanity will fail . I truly believe this .

And this failure , will be catastrophic and an extinction level event . And it will happen far more quickly than most people are ready to admit . But all this is not far from the natural order of things or God's plan . The nature of the world , favours diversity . And diversity necessitates either continuous extinctions or adaptations . Adaptations that a democratic and flexible system will bring , can if done correctly and quickly enough , allow for humans to survive on this planet . In a symbiotic relationship to other humans and nature . But knowing that this will most probably not happen , I write here only to alleviate boredom and to practice my grammar ..............

Bolton being pretty frank about things



Well you know the way it goes.

Those social protests against outdated social norms or restrictive political regimes turning into armed insurgencies at a drop of a hat and everything. Courtesy of some friendly neighborhood US allies

Yeah that is the double edged sword of uprisings. The powerful utilize them for their own good. Though in this case I'd say these particular uprisings were western backed from the start. Like Kazakhstan not too long ago. Wonder if Turks and Azeris and Israelis are the foot soldiers in it right now. That'd be my guess. Aided by UK and US as usual.

Hole wrote:Maybe it´s time to team up with some mexican drug cartells.

They're already under the payroll of the US

TMA1 wrote:Yeah that is the double edged sword of uprisings. The powerful utilize them for their own good. Though in this case I'd say these particular uprisings were western backed from the start. Like Kazakhstan not too long ago. Wonder if Turks and Azeris and Israelis are the foot soldiers in it right now. That'd be my guess. Aided by UK and US as usual.

As Bolton says, US proxies in Iraqi Kurdistan and the military regime in Pakistan.
The Azeris as well, who've used threatening language over Iranian support to Armenia, and through them the Israelis
The Saudis have attempted to be enlisted too, through that story a week back about Iranian threats to it. But I doubt they'll go along with it.
Dunno what the position of the Turks is, they've kept quiet, even despite the Azeris cooperating with Israel and the US against Iran

But what are all these forces supposed to do exactly? The civilian protests will instantly stop the moment people realize Iran is under threat and insurgents are being infiltrated into the country. Said insurgents by themselves might gain some popular support in the minority parts where Kurds or Baluchis live, but even then it's debatable, and they would be heavily outmatched by the Iranian military.
Russia and China will offer Iran unlimited backing in the case of any overt threat against its own territory. There will be no shortage of weapons, ammo, industrial capacities or anything else.

The protesters  have by large been peaceful . The number of police killed is about five or six , compared to over 300 protesters / revolutionaries  . I imagine that these number of police killed in response to violent crackdowns themselves , most probably killed by relatives of the dead and by  cold - weapons .  Some right wing  elements try very hard to externalise these problems and blame R. Azer or Saudi etc , but the young university  students are almost entirely not armed with foreign weapons or any weapons  . Neither are they shouting the slogans in favour of the return of Monarchy or MKO terror group . They are mostly shouting against dictatorship and for freedom  and democracy .

The friends of Iran , Russia and China can best offer practical help and advice regarding the effective management of crowds , without using lethal force . Even if they can not take a stance in support of democracy in Iran . There are elements in Iranian security and Army , that by their actions , provoke uprisings and at the same time threaten adventurism in military operations against neighbours . All these are for internal political reasons , enabling yank intervention or coup . I would not be very happy to see external powers , arming either side , in a civil war ,  including the illegitimate right wing state terror apparatus against the people . Offering equipment for the territorial defence of Iran , is another matter . If people obtain weapons from internal sources , it is internal problem .

https://m.youtube.com/shorts/iWu3A6Zs7tM


This 17 year old protester , was only standing in the street . There are no weapons visible , he is not throwing stones or petrol bombs . He is standing near a vehicle , and his hands down by his side . He is shot in the abdomen with a Rifle bullet , died instantly . Under what logic , is his killing justified ? How is his killing , going to help Iran at this time ? Could not tear gas be used to disperse ? Or troops advance with shields ? Is this action not a recipe for disaster ? Creating chaos ? Yet , no security personnel has gone to court or prison or been executed for murder , but protesters have been sentenced to death !

par far wrote:This is from BBC, I don't know how much stock I can put into this.

Unfortunately the West isn't behind doing paid provocations, just like what happened in the Maidan in Ukraine when they shot demonstrators and then claimed the Ukrainian police did it when it was in fact done by their own agents provocateurs, so without forensic analysis we won't know who really did it.

But if that Iranian police do not have the proper equipment and training it might have happened. I have seen it happen in the West when you have poorly trained and poorly equipped police.

Unfortunately the West isn't behind doing paid provocations, just like what happened in the Maidan in Ukraine when they shot demonstrators and then claimed the Ukrainian police did it when it was in fact done by their own agents provocateurs, so without forensic analysis we won't know who really did it.

And that is the problem... the west abuses its own morality and human morality to achieve its goals... hire Georgian snipers to kill people on both sides in the Ukraine to stir up both sides... they wont be reporting it but someone who shot this guy near a protest might also have been shooting at the police to get them upset and agitated.

At Maidan they got various "innocent" people they were grooming on social media to go up to the front lines of the protest and these people got shot specifically... almost like they are hunting wolves and they sent out some goats to draw the opposition out and if it didn't work they could always kill the goat and leave teeth marks on the body so the wolves get the blame.

There was lots of upset people in the west when Iran shot down a civilian airliner with a TOR missile, but what they don't mention is that Israel plays all sorts of tricks like using civilian airliner transponder signals to sneak into enemy airspace to do bad things so while on the surface it looks bad shooting down a civilian airliner, it would actually be understandable if your enemy regularly faked such signals to do naughty things.

The west are despicable and should never be trusted... they don't have a free media, yet claim government controlled media is a sign of a dictatorship... but their corruption of media companies means countries cannot afford to allow their media be taken over or the brainwashing of their population begins.

All what you say is fair and true . Unfortunately the media in the West and Saudi / Israeli sponsored internet media , do not have to lie to paint a dooming and glooming picture of Iranian political turmoil . Iranians themselves are making a fine mess themselves . However , where they diverge from simple news reporting , is in their overall political bias or spin they put on the news , to give a different impression . For example , they point at the problem , but never give a solution , that suits the Iranian people , but that suits themselves .

About the provocative agents , I agree . They could be paid individuals in the Army or security  that were rewarded by going on the hunt . There have been many video on internet , of plain clothes individuals and some in Army uniform and some in Darth Vader , black uniforms with vests etc , all opening fire . Who ordered them or paid  them is a mystery . Bullets are removed from corpses and false death certificates issued , pointing to death by natural causes or accidents . Relatives are stopped from inspecting the bodies of their deceased to check for signs of beatings or torture . They are buried in secret , far from home . The cooperation of many individuals are needed to carry out this operation : the paymasters , the executioners , the medics , the police and judiciary and politicians . A well structured murder machine .

The Iranian slogans always start either with " zinde-bad , or long live " or " mordeh -bad , or death to " , an antagonistic dichotomy and heritage from Iranian history , forming it's political nomenclature . Iranians have one of the longest histories , of settled civilisations , yet unlike the Greeks never developed democracy . To them there was always an absolute right , versus an absolute wrong , the Zoroastrian " light versus darkness " . One had  to die and the other live . Perhaps they are right , democracy is a historical aberration . The true dialectic is a binary and fatalistic choice , always ! There seems to be no peaceful avenue for political progress in Iran . Formation of a democratic state , is blocked by a minority of  right wing pseudo- religious , anti- democratic elements . They hold the guns , and their justice is dispensed through the barrel of a gun .


https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=7Zp66FhjlPU

There seems to be more protests coming, unfortunately. This time the reason is the memorial of the killing of Iranian protestors in 2019 and it has already started today. https://www.iranintl.com/en/202211138108
Let's hope this will be the last major incident of the protest series that sparked chaos in the country.
Of course the people have many good reasons to go protesting I have to admit, but due to the Anglozionist and Sunni vultures who want to turn Iran into a second Syria, I am against all kinds of protest that could threaten the national security of Iran - especially during the current globally unstable era.