GarryB wrote:Don't go from wrong to wrong.
The west did lie and in lots of areas they were behind the Russians.
But don't think for a minute that the West is behind in everything either.
There are thousands of different technologies involved here and in some areas the West is ahead and some it is behind... there are many areas where the whole west is behind or ahead, and some areas where only some of the west is behind or ahead....
Garry, I've never meant at any moment the west is behind in all, neither the soviet was ahead in all.
However, what I meant, is the west and especially US, claims that every soviet technology is far behind the western technology.
In 80's and 90's before Internet arrived, I used to read in their -in reality, their filthy shit propaganda- newspapers, or their supposed tv documentaries that Soviet Union was in late in all areas, and when they could not match with western's technology they simply sent spies, and they steal whatever they could. This is what i used to read and used to see.
Sorry Garry, but when you read that F-15 downed nearly 100 fighters against 0 losses, because Israel said that what do you think ?
When you read F-16 downed at least 70 Migs against 0 losses, what would be your reaction ? And later after, you read -if it is possible-
surreptitiously that during the 80's decade, there were nearly 70 ....accidents for F-16, and in ...middle east.
Longtime after Desert Storm, you read that US had...at least 30 F-16 in accidents during....1991, especially during ...january an february.
Several dozens of years after Desert Storm, you learn again surreptitiously, that a B-52 crashed in indian ocean, du to ...electrical faillures, during... 1991 especially ...jannuary, and february.
Untill now we ignore the scale of Israelis/US losses, nevertheless, a thing is sure, the scale of losses is far more important than what they said. And most of the aircrafts were downed by iraqi/serbian/syrian russian origin fighters, not du to Sam.
I mean simply that neither the US hardware is null, or US pilots skills are null, not at all. By respect, I could never claim these kind of false things. On contrary, US pilots, as Nato pilots are very competents, however, soviet, or russian/chinese hardwares are/were not null, they match perfectly with western hardware reaching in most of the case the parity, if a skill personals are inside.
Nowadays, thanks to Internet the all truth appears, and it was hard for them to still lie as they did for nearly 70 years. As I already said you, before registering in this forum I used to believe that Internet will confirm what I was taught. I -mistakenly- thougt that it is not worth to search, because Internet will confirm me what I believed. It is obvious that in war every parties will lie, as lies is part of the war, and pretending that US never lie, it is the hugest mistake, because they lie like any other parties.
The Tolkachev's case confirm that Soviet Union was far step ahead in radars technologie. US stole the secret in order to create a -supposed- better AESA technology. Nevertheless during the 90's untill the mid 2000's it was possible that US was steap ahead because they wasted nearly 15 trillons of $ in their war machine, and had the best brains in the world to work for them, either you were arabs, german, chinese, indian, african, even russian brains. Meanwhile russian's military budget melted, and chinese economy was at that time only at the best 1/10 of US economy. It is possible that, and only at this time, US could pretend to get unmatchable weapons, this was what I believed.
The facts prove it is no.