The Situation in the Ukraine. #11

Rally in Bulgaria in support of Novorossiya,  Russia and against NATO:










Btw Porkyshenko has been handing out free Russian passports to dodge his clumsy failure of a draft:

When Ukrainians Choose Not to Die in a War

this is what i consider . NOT GOOD News..

Сурков планирует принять участие в работе контактной группы по Украине
http://ria.ru/world/20150210/1046842518.html


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http://cassad-eng.livejournal.com/114813.html
By the 9pm the intensity of panic of the enemy has begun to increase. The threat of a complete encirclement is not fully understood by everyone yet, but some are already getting the idea that something bad (for them) is going on. At the same time certain details of the sudden loss of Logvinovo open up. It is worth noting the announcements that the first deputy of the ATO commander has been killed during today's fighting.

Kramatorsk airport got hit. Town got hit too.
Any UA movements there? I hope targets were hit and no civvies died

It's easy , if US armed ukranian gov. , may Russia give some ATGM and MANPAD to Afghan fighters ,also expansion the co-operation with
Iran.

A little bit off topic but how do you deal with the nato bases?

par far wrote:A little bit off topic but how do you deal with the nato bases?

Iskander

George1 wrote:

par far wrote:A little bit off topic but how do you deal with the nato bases?

Iskander

Either that or by taking control back of politics and especially hurting the NATO base in Khazakhstan, fuck contracts paper is worthless, US words are worthless and you always can expect the opposite of what they are mumbling. To deal with NATO basis is you need to counter the US oligarchs in EU that currently run this slave countries, force them out make their lifes miserable, establish enough own military basis very close to US, install ABM shields and field Nukes, do the exact same with Bases as the US did, surround the fucking US and show them that Russia will not fight Europe like the US tries to play EU slaves against Russia like they did in WW1 and WW2, this time military actions will be taken against US soil, no more peace. The solution to that is exact the same solution like to Turkey Jupiter Missile crisis. If they do not dismiss nukes from EU soil and turkey soil, if they do not dismiss NATO basis behind Germany and liquidate the NATO status of all countries that are Germany or eastern of it, there will be further expansion right to Alaska, they want war show them how it is really fought.

higurashihougi wrote:

Werewolf wrote:

George1 wrote:

par far wrote:A little bit off topic but how do you deal with the nato bases?

Iskander

Either that or by taking control back of politics and especially hurting the NATO base in Khazakhstan, fuck contracts paper is worthless, US words are worthless and you always can expect the opposite of what they are mumbling. To deal with NATO basis is you need to counter the US oligarchs in EU that currently run this slave countries, force them out make their lifes miserable, establish enough own military basis very close to US, install ABM shields and field Nukes, do the exact same with Bases as the US did, surround the fucking US and show them that Russia will not fight Europe like the US tries to play EU slaves against Russia like they did in WW1 and WW2, this time military actions will be taken against US soil, no more peace. The solution to that is exact the same solution like to Turkey Jupiter Missile crisis. If they do not dismiss nukes from EU soil and turkey soil, if they do not dismiss NATO basis behind Germany and liquidate the NATO status of all countries that are Germany or eastern of it, there will be further expansion right to Alaska, they want war show them how it is really fought.

Actually U.S. is unfortunately one of the "slave countries". In other words, the oligarchs and their puppets in White House have been enslaving the US citizen for decades.

Either those stupid slaves wake up and do something about this empire or someone else will need to deal with it and there won't be much left to retake for them.

Russia can do lots to strike back at the KEY aggressor.

The Western mainstream press talked about taking out a US bank in a cyber attack. I don't mean DDOS and shit to fuck up a website. I mean destroying the records of all transactions. This would cause ripples/waves throughout the whole NATO financial sector.

Ru could arm Lat Am drug gangs which are already pouring into the US. And as we discussed previously it could arm Muslim nuts, radical African Americans (maybe an extremist offshoot of Farakan's so caled Nation of Islam, La Raza extremists who consider California and many other places to be Mexican. It could also help the American Indians in a "liberation movement" from US control.

Russia could run campaigns about how "America's great founding fathers" actually supported genocide of Native Americans and loved slavery and mass slaughter of Hispanics. A few statues of Jefferson, Lincoln, Roosevelt, Washington etc being tugged down would look rather shit for America. And in some Hispanics etc burning the US flag and suddenly America has to sit up and take notice about shit thats happening on it OWN soil for once. Maybe white cops taking indiscriminate shots at blacks, Indians and Hispanics.
Who knows, maybe Kremlin officials handing out cakes to African American protestors/rioters.

Can anyone confirm about strike on Kramatorsk, it said that Ukr rotary wing park that was shown on Ukr tv fee days ago was wiped out/damaged by MLRS with cluster munitions. This city is far away from frontlines to be attacked by Grads. 3 people died in total, 1 soldier from Ukr HQ. Precise directional cluster munitions could explain low casualties than regular HE.

Wait does Americans have a military NATO base with weapons and missiles  in Kazakhstan?  
When that happened?  Isn't that a mayor betrayal to Russia ?


in more news.. apparently we were judging wrong the Ukraine real and old army..
and the forces that have been largely fighting are the voluntary battalions .. of ultra nationalist.
this reports says..

Why doesn’t the Ukrainian military participate in Ukrainian attacks?

http://fortruss.blogspot.ca/2015/02/why-doesnt-ukrainian-military.html

It looks like the regular ukraine army have been keep on the side lines by Poroshenko.. on purpose.
and that he is sending to the front line mostly the very same pro kiev forces that later could be used against Poroshenko.

that picture is absolutely hilarious! . catches nicely the fantasy world Kiev is living in .

par far wrote:A little bit off topic but how do you deal with the nato bases?

Best way to deal with American NATO bases is by collapsing US dollar.. they will have no money later
to maintain them.. and pay any rent in Europe.. so the will have to go...  

But in military way.. Iskanders.. a dozen of them hitting the right targets ie.. NATO most valuable military assets will completely neutralize them.. and or couple of dozens of cruise missiles per military base.. or simply a tactical nuke.

IN a full scale war between Russia and US.. Russia will have to destroy all American so called NATO bases in EUrope.. and warn Europe to not interfere in the conflict and not see the war against them.

if by proxy.. RUssia can supply weapons to blacks in america and latins  to overthrow the US government..


THis is why Russia needs to improve their relations with mexico.. and install military bases there.. to counter
NATO expansion in their borders.. that will teach the arrogants in DC to retreat or it they will had to deal with their
own armed insurrection .

If any of this looks extreme to you.. you have to look at what former high ranked American politicians have said..
that Russian media usually interview for their political knowledge on international politics. like Paul Craig Roberts who was United States Assistant Secretary of the Treasury for Economic Policy under reagan administration .Basically they have suggested in more than one time ,that Russia needs to stop being passive  and understand that america is their enemy and a very dangerous one..and will do everything to destroy them. and that they will not stop trying until Russia destroyed. and that Russia need to fight back.. and be on the offensive.. He fall short to call on arming americans.. but have given hints about how to crash the US dollar.

crashing the US dollar and anything that they try to create later.. is by far the sweetest revenge..
because it will affect directly the US elite..and it will collapse their budget to maintain their military bases abroad..

DNR HQ: all ukrop commanders have left Debaltseve.

http://ria.ru/world/20150210/1046985245.html

I wonder who fire with MLRS on Ukrop HQ in Kramatorsk airfield. I hope they have big losses there. Maybe some helicopters were hit.

arpakola wrote:this is what i consider . NOT GOOD News..

Сурков планирует принять участие в работе контактной группы по Украине
http://ria.ru/world/20150210/1046842518.html


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The weasel Surkov will try to make Donbass surrender again.

magnumcromagnon wrote:

The weasel Surkov will try to make Donbass surrender again.

I don't think he will have any voice there.. He will be a messenger of a piece of paper from the kremlin that
already was agreed by Putin ,france and germany..  Don't underestimate Putin knowledge..  Probably he was
sent to Encourage him to become patriotic.  

So basically the peace deal ,will be something already discussed by Putin + France + germany.. and his presence
there will be merely symbolic , perhaps to all the 5th column in Russia as a message to say all Russia government factions is united in the policy of Ukraine..  

is either believe that.. or to believe Putin is an idiot and will allow the 3 days he have been planning a cease of fire
can be sabotage in any way by Surkov. Whenever i use that test.. it never fails.. last time people were saying how
Putin betrayed novorosiya for removing strelkov. and that was the correct thing to do. The man is cool and patriotic
and a good military strategist.. too.. but not so good in world geopolitics. Had the rebels continue advancing towards kharkov and kiev as Strelkov wanted..they will have to face not only ukraine army..but fight civilians too ,supporting the the alliance with europe. and they will have faced millions of false flags with civilians killed and seriously damage the image of Russia. because everyone thinks the Russian army is there. Russia will be in a serious problem of having to demand the rebels to withdraw from conquered cities.. and will probably will be under full european isolation ,making Obama and nuland have a big party cheering the rebels for helping in the isolation of Russia.. Is not in the interest of  Russia to trade for more free territory in Ukraine for people that their own interest is incompatible with capitalism+moderate social wellfare in Russia.. The people in Ukraine was very eager to leave Russia when their economy collapsed.


The best thing for Russia will be that either 1)Poroshenko see the light that the west are only using them and move away from NATO and seek closer relations with Russia and crush the ultra nationals.. or 2) that Kiev disband on its own in an organized way..without being blamed on RUssia for it and that from Odesa to Kharkiv all regions declare its Independence . This means that NATO no longer will have any use of Ukraine.. and Russia will have another puppet state like Abkhazia and south osetia that will be loyal to Russia and depend of everything from Russia.. but that at the same time will be an independent Country.. a new Ukraine of people friendly to Russia. and once things stable in Ukraine.. and RUssia economy improve , when the time is right and political environment is there ,they could become a new autonomous region of Russia Federation.. a semi-Independent Nation with autonomy but that needs to follow Russian Federation laws.