The Situation in the Ukraine. #11

sepheronx wrote:It should be made clear that if this ceasefire is broken by kiev, that the rebels will not stop till they reach Kiev.

But first they have to liberate all the major coastal cities, all the way to Odessa.

Looks like something out of the Fallout video games:

magnumcromagnon wrote:

sepheronx wrote:It should be made clear that if this ceasefire is broken by kiev, that the rebels will not stop till they reach Kiev.

But first they have to liberate all the major coastal cities, all the way to Odessa.  

Unless, again, VP says otherwise.

sepheronx wrote:It should be made clear that if this ceasefire is broken by kiev, that the rebels will not stop till they reach Kiev.

And what will happen ir they will reach Kiev? There is nothing there for separatists or Russia. There are only few cities left to take from Ukrainians.

sepheronx wrote:It should be made clear that if this ceasefire is broken by kiev, that the rebels will not stop till they reach Kiev.

Rebels have not even taken Slovyansk back, and you are talking about going all the way to Kiev?

Please.

"we target civilians deliberately ... ethnic cleansing ... out of 4 million people in donetsk region, 1.5 million are trash that we need to get rid of"

http://www.washingtonsblog.com/2015/02/ukraine-target-civilians-separatists-targeting-maps-prove.html


M109 howitzer stories...

https://truthinukraine.wordpress.com/2015/02/01/m109-howitzer/  

"carefully watch the video. 42-43 seconds, stop, pause. Enjoying marking projectile artilery ammo: i0-e2-86-n"



French website, I translated the main points in the quotes below... published 22/02/15.

http://www.wikistrike.com/2015/02/en-plein-cessez-le-feu-l-otan-livre-des-armes-a-l-ukraine.html

"In the middle of the ceasefire, NATO delivers weapons to Ukr"

"recieve quantity of weapons but prefer to sell them to get big money, to syria for example, instead of fighting the novorussians" (describing the typical Ukr corrupt military)

"washington will have to explain why so many NATO weapons were captured in the cauldron"

"evidences include 155mm artillery fragments (from M109 supposedly or maybe any NATO field howitzer), javelins ATGM, M4 rifles"

"age a condition of those weapons suggers NATO sells out of date surplus"

"for example, british saxon AT-105 APC retired in 2008, now arriving through the port of odessa" (when will odessa rise up and chase those pigs? maybe too many pro Ukr in this city to have a full support of the population... and maybe scared..)

"each saxon costs 51k $"

"ukr abandoned procuding own AFV "dozor B" considering the situation"

"according to statistics, german army had 570 M109... None is left as of now. Where do you think they went? Answer is simple, in december 2014, Ukr gov abruptly closed Dnepropetrovsk, Zaporozhye and Kharkov airports, explaining a *threat of russian airborne actions*... In fact several NATO cargo planes C-130 Hercule and C-17B Globemaster landed on those airports... Witnesses report of 4 M109 and their ammunitions being unloaded in Dnepropetrovsk, Zaporozhye ... report of 2 romanian LAROM MLRS and 1 spanish Teruel-3
 in Kharkov..." (the overexaggeration of the ex germany M109 being all now in ukraine is really a bad joke, as all were retired in the late 90s / early 2000s and scrapped or exported for low price to many countries, the few remaining, some of them might be delivered to ukraine...)

"regular military convoys cross polish-ukr boundary since summer 2014 ... heading to 169th Ukr training center... NATO instructors... training on NATO weapons ... polish general Boguslaw Pacek is the head of NATO advisors in ukraine"

"total ineptitude of ukr army, as well as its arming, pose a serious issue"

"NATO weapons require training and large ammo supply, which ukraine doesn't produce"

"ammo delivery channels already exist... For example, early february 2014, cargo Yasar
 Abi delivered 680 tonnes of warsaw pact ammo type as well as NATO ammo types from bulgaria to Oktyabrsk in Ukr."

"to sum up, US proposition to arm puppet Ukr gov with lethal weapons isn't about *arming* them, but rather a way to legitimate in the mass medias the already delivered weapons"

"as usual, the oldest and most out of date weapons (probably reffering to ukr soviet arsenal rather than recent NATO deliveries) are sent to the units fighting in the donbass, which means ukr "gov" reexports all NATO deliveries in order to get rich (oligarchs, corrupt officers), to countries like syria (not mentioning syrian GOV but probably ISIS and "rebels")"

sepheronx wrote:Maybe I am being selfish, but anyone who posts just a video, can you please post a description? I cannot view the videos while at work and others probably cant either.

It's an Estonian military parade with someone watching from the sidewalk and waving a Russian flag.

Just a thought about NATO forces in eastern europe..

the only thing US has against russia is the nuclear threat. US will never be able to mass troops in the area, nothing comparable to operations in iraq... which necessitated a huge and long deployment to a NEIGHBOUR country (saudi), while iraqis could watch it and did nothing about it... Russia will never let this be. So US can only deploy very small troops, like the 20 abrams in latvia (wow so impressive ) and the 30 odd in germany... It's just publicity stunt, self contemplation...

We have all witnessed the reality of the war in ukraine, the sole war to date in europe with massive conventional warfare since WW2... Intel and artillery simply played the key roles and won battles, and russia emphazises pretty much all on its artillery (be it MLRS, tubes or missiles), and all russian units have an integrated recon unit, and many whole units are even dedicated to intel and infiltration in russian army...

Seing what "outdated" artillery from the rebels have done to fortified positions, bases, and armoured vechicles of all kinds of the Ukr army, simply with dumb high explosive rounds... I can see a "war vs NATO" in eastern europe being very bad for "NATO" considering russian artillery capabilities, and the counter attack shock force of tanks and mechanised infantry.... Russian artillery will be able to use extended range, guided, and cluster ammunitions at the will, not only dumb HE rounds...

Overall NATO air forces will be the sole real power, but they have 0 chance vs russian air defenses (just look what ukr airforce endured vs low density and badly manned AA defences of novorussia, pretty much all combat capable Ukr aircrafts were writen off), and won't be able to strike the russian units on the ground.... So the only real threat, is nuclear, it has always been, but it's far worse (for NATO) now than during the cold war, since all european armies skrinked by 75% and US/UK /FR forces left the area (just remaining a fanfar force for parades and pretty media displays)

Leading NATO army will be Poland, with the largest army, artillery and tank force in the whole europe (only speaking feasable things in eastern europe, not mobilizing forces from germany/fr/uk who have no interest in this).... Maybe romania, CZ, and baltics will be able to mobilize a significant force, all that "helped" by the microscopic US/UK forces in eastern europe... well... in fact, the sole belarus army (helped by russian advisors and specialized units, belarus being the core of the force, tanks, arti, infantry) would easily wipe out this "NATO" conglomeration....

So here is the bottom line, david cameron, and other russophobic cunts in the US, PL, and whatever, openly talking of "war against putin" and all that jazz... better think twice. NATO sole chance is US nukes, as always been and is even more true now than during the cold war. Playing the game "fair", the NATO have 0 chances against russia-belarus-novorussia.

Kyo wrote:

sepheronx wrote:Maybe I am being selfish, but anyone who posts just a video, can you please post a description? I cannot view the videos while at work and others probably cant either.

It's an Estonian military parade with someone watching from the sidewalk and waving a Russian flag.

Meh, not even provocative. Now try to do that in Kiev

I don't know if anyone posted this yet, but...

http://fortruss.blogspot.it/2015/02/there-is-no-such-thing-as-russian.html

"There is no such thing as Russian language"--Poroshenko Block Deputy              

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QcR9jl4AM3A&feature=youtu.be

Kiev Ambassador to Germany: Neo-Nazis are part of our forces. Without them Russia would defeated us

Final count of NAF trophies from Debeltsevo - 187 Tanks, 124 APCs, 110 arty, 24 MLRS, 278 mortars, 139 trucks, at least 500 tons of ammo.

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Lothar von Trotha wrote:Final count of NAF trophies from Debeltsevo - 187 Tanks, 124 APCs, 110 arty, 24 MLRS, 278 mortars, 139 trucks, at least 500 tons of ammo.

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As I've said before if Ukrs would have stayed and fought there would be no trophies like that. It only means they started running with trucks and then proceeded on foot. Separatists probably didn't put up the chase of those without heavy weaponry.
Those soldiers who got out are demoralised and they won't forget Kievs betrayal. Maybe in the right time their weapons will be turned towards Kiev.

Just send these trophies to Russia for modernization and you have several fresh brigades to support the attack on Mariupol and Kharkov.

Really, this is a fucking arsenal. Do Ukrs even think of replacing such losses?

Lothar von Trotha wrote:Final count of NAF trophies from Debeltsevo - 187 Tanks, 124 APCs, 110 arty, 24 MLRS, 278 mortars, 139 trucks, at least 500 tons of ammo.

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Сводки от ополчения Новороссии
26.02.15. Сообщение от Владислава Брига.

"Озвучу максимально точную численность вооружения, доставшегося Ополчению в Дебальцевском котле. Отжато техники после "планового" отступления ВСУ в Дебальцевском котле:
Танки - 87.
БМП, БМД, БТР - 124;
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САУ различные - 68;
Ствольная арта - 52;
РСЗО различные - 24;
Минометы различные - 278;
Грузовой автотранспорт - 139;
Автотранспорт служебный - 43;
Радары, машины связи - 46;
Стрелковка, б/к, сухпайки, аптечки и прочее до сих пор не подсчитано - немеряно."

It is 87 tanks captured, not 187 tanks, but still great achievement. Enough equipment for arming a whole division. If we could here around 600 peaces of destroyed tanks, armored vehicles and artillery, than Ukrainian army lost in one month around 900 peaces of heavy weapons and more than 2000 from the beginning of war. Another year of war and there will be nothing in ukrainian storage left.

I wonder if Novorussian army also capture any air defense complexes like Strela-10, Osa-AKM, battery radars and CPs, etc. They will need them in coming battles as NATO get more and more involved.

Debaltsevo: Junta’s Stalingrad

2/26/2015

Debaltsevo: Junta’s Stalingrad

By Klim_Vo

Translated from Russian by J.Hawk

Junta’s losses over the last month stagger the imagination.

DPR Ministry of Defense published data concerning the losses of Ukrainian occupation forces which they suffered during battles with Novorossia’s defenders in the vicinity of Debaltsevo and on other sectors of the front between January 12 and February 20.

Occupier losses include 10,940 killed and wounded (including 4110 killed), and 1178 prisoners of war.

Equipment losses are also staggering. The invaders have lost the following quantities of equipment:

299 tanks (28 captured intact at Debaltsevo)

38 self-propelled howitzers (12 captured)

4 2S7 Pion 203mm self-propelled cannon (3 captured)

4 2S3 Akatsiya 152mm SP howitzers

3 2S1 Gvozdika 122mm SP howitzers

151 BMPs (33 captured)

115 BTRs (30 captured)

24 Grad 122mm MRLs (15 captured at Debaltsevo)

1 Smerch 300mm MRL

205 towed artillery pieces

36 120mm mortars

16 ZU-23-2 anti-aircraft guns (captured at Debaltsevo)

6 MT-LB tracked APCs and prime movers.

2 BRDMs

4 BMDs

290 motor vehicles (145 captured)

In addition, the junta lost 3 Su-25 attack aircraft, 1 helicopter, and 4 UAVs.

The Ukrainian military had abandoned a state-of-the-art counter-mortar radar supplied by the United States.

Now the Ukr government is scrambling for UN Peacekeepers. A frozen conflict.
Now they're on the defensive and will stay on the defensive for the rest of the war - never again to be able to conduct any more serious offensives, the initiative has been lost.

A Stalingrad indeed.