Kurdish [PKK,YPG]–Turkish conflict

US begins consultations on military support for Kurdish militias in Syria — source

It may become the first step on the way towards recognition of the Syrian Kurdistan as a free state, the source noted

LATAKIA, October 29 /TASS/. Pentagon is starting consultations on all-round support for the Kurdish militias in Syria’s Northern provinces, including training and delivery of weapons and military hardware, a source close to the Kurdish militias said.

"Everything is ready. The People’s Defense Forces of the Syrian Kurdistan may hold their first meeting with US intelligence representatives already this week," the source clarified.

According to the source, the sides will discuss the deadlines and volumes of the military assistance and draw up a list of priority professions, in which the Kurdish militias have the greatest demand.

"If the aid program is launched successfully, it may become the first step on the way towards recognition of the Syrian Kurdistan as a free state," the source said commenting the mood among the Kurdish militias.

George1 wrote:US begins consultations on military support for Kurdish militias in Syria — source

It may become the first step on the way towards recognition of the Syrian Kurdistan as a free state, the source noted

LATAKIA, October 29 /TASS/. Pentagon is starting consultations on all-round support for the Kurdish militias in Syria’s Northern provinces, including training and delivery of weapons and military hardware, a source close to the Kurdish militias said.

"Everything is ready. The People’s Defense Forces of the Syrian Kurdistan may hold their first meeting with US intelligence representatives already this week," the source clarified.

According to the source, the sides will discuss the deadlines and volumes of the military assistance and draw up a list of priority professions, in which the Kurdish militias have the greatest demand.

"If the aid program is launched successfully, it may become the first step on the way towards recognition of the Syrian Kurdistan as a free state," the source said commenting the mood among the Kurdish militias.

Forget it. Kurds won't be getting any new country carved out of Syria. In recent vienna talks everyone agreed to keep Syria intact and annihilaite terrorists from Syria in next 6 months , after that elections will take place in which Assad party can also participate. In a recent poll more than 70% of syrian population still prefer Assad. ( Poll news was on rt)

Terrible signs when an Army is ordered to walk like this through their own cities, and treated like that.
Erdogan and Turkey have lost the plot. With this video you don't know where to start....

Turkish Warplanes Enter Iraqi Airspace, Resume Strikes on Kurdish Bases

Read more: http://sputniknews.com/military/20151126/1030769250/turkish-planes-bomb-iraq.html#ixzz3sZtMP3Tl

George1 wrote:Turkish Warplanes Enter Iraqi Airspace, Resume Strikes on Kurdish Bases

Read more: http://sputniknews.com/military/20151126/1030769250/turkish-planes-bomb-iraq.html#ixzz3sZtMP3Tl

Can you double-check this story?

Morpheus Eberhardt wrote:

George1 wrote:Turkish Warplanes Enter Iraqi Airspace, Resume Strikes on Kurdish Bases

Read more: http://sputniknews.com/military/20151126/1030769250/turkish-planes-bomb-iraq.html#ixzz3sZtMP3Tl

Can you double-check this story?

i will try, but it isnt sth new. Everyone realizes that one of Turkey's goals is to prevent an escalation of kurdish rebel groups activities

George1 wrote:

Morpheus Eberhardt wrote:

George1 wrote:Turkish Warplanes Enter Iraqi Airspace, Resume Strikes on Kurdish Bases

Read more: http://sputniknews.com/military/20151126/1030769250/turkish-planes-bomb-iraq.html#ixzz3sZtMP3Tl

Can you double-check this story?

i will try, but it isnt sth new. Everyone realizes that one of Turkey's goals is to prevent an escalation of kurdish rebel groups activities

The reason I am asking is due to something I referred to on another tread at https://www.russiadefence.net/t4709p270-russian-su-24-shootdown-by-turkish-air-force-f-16-fighter#137964

The original story is from http://southfront.org/turkeys-fighter-jets-hit-23-targets-of-the-pkk/

So it seems that russian airbase in northwest IRAN is a must.

They could protect PKK from there shooting down turks aircrafts,also asisting them in counter offensive in turkish territory. and also strike IS in IRAQ and east Syria.
Also it will cool some hot-heads in Tel-av.

KiloGolf wrote:Terrible signs when an Army is ordered to walk like this through their own cities, and treated like that.
Erdogan and Turkey have lost the plot. With this video you don't know where to start....

Which city is it? Without knowing the details i feel sorry for the soldiers.

I made s post yesterday about turkey being the next syria, and this video shows why. All it takes is one hot headed soldier or someone to panic and fire at the crowd in a situation like this and we will see a repeat of the beginning of the syrian scenario.

Rodinazombie wrote:

KiloGolf wrote:Terrible signs when an Army is ordered to walk like this through their own cities, and treated like that.
Erdogan and Turkey have lost the plot. With this video you don't know where to start....

Which city is it? Without knowing the details i feel sorry for the soldiers.

Silvan, near Diyarbakir (Amed).

What exactly is going on in that video?

Werewolf wrote:What exactly is going on in that video?

Average day in south east Turkey.

Turkish military convoy "going to fight ISIS (lol)" passing trough Kurd populated area.

Turkish gendarmerie and army going through a city they blockaded for weeks, soldiers evacuating under the protection of "elders" because the crowd wanted to lynch them. I say let's open the depots to the righteous Kurdish cause.

KoTeMoRe wrote:Turkish gendarmerie and army going through a city they blockaded for weeks, soldiers evacuating under the protection of "elders" because the crowd wanted to lynch them. I say let's open the depots to the righteous Kurdish cause.

General Michel Aoun of Lebanon, warned the Turks about how fragile their country was back in 2011, and with 1/3rd of their country being disgruntled and subjugated Kurds, and with the current lapse of Russo-Turkish relations, Turdogan is basically giving Russia the carving knife to carve the Christmas Turkey. Also it isn't completely impossible that we may see the Cypriots retake North Cyrpus with a 'Cypriot Debaltsevo' with Russia's watchful help and guidance, such as using the Moskva to blockade Turkish ships and launch a de facto No-Fly-Zone over Northern Cyprus.

Has the Kurdish Express(TM) already begun?

Also, may someone provide me with exact map of Turkish army depots in South and Sout-East Turkey, together with info what exactly is kept there?

magnumcromagnon wrote:

KoTeMoRe wrote:Turkish gendarmerie and army going through a city they blockaded for weeks, soldiers evacuating under the protection of "elders" because the crowd wanted to lynch them. I say let's open the depots to the righteous Kurdish cause.

General Michel Aoun of Lebanon, warned the Turks about how fragile their country was back in 2011, and with 1/3rd of their country being disgruntled and subjugated Kurds, and with the current lapse of Russo-Turkish relations, Turdogan is basically giving Russia the carving knife to carve the Christmas Turkey. Also it isn't completely impossible that we may see the Cypriots retake North Cyrpus with a 'Cypriot Debaltsevo' with Russia's watchful help and guidance, such as using the Moskva to blockade Turkish ships and launch a de facto No-Fly-Zone over Northern Cyprus.

Cyprus can't be touched, because there's still a tri power agreement that is opposable, so until Turkey does something shitty, the Cypriots would have to wait. However, in Turkey self, even a slight upgunning of the Kurdish PKK would result on couple of local disasters. Especially in those KRG areas where the Kurds have no problems pulling a Turkish. Border with Iran and the nexus corner in Hakkari. You could even set up Nona K trucks, which would be perfect for mountain artillery; light weight mortar cannon. And some "Soviet Vasilek's" on trucks too for light support. Complement this with ATGM's for standoff assets and open up Ambush season on Turkish Gendarmerie and Border troops. Soon enough they will bring more troops, use choppers, escalation. Enter the Strela's, possibly Soviet stocks "sold to Tanzania", or outright chinese manpads for confusion.

Have the Iranian listen to Turkish coms (or Russians while we're at it) and NovoKordestan is up, until Turkey understand it isn't dealing with old PKK. In about a month or so operatins, there sould be 500 to 1000 turkish dead bodies, enough to have Turkey's attention.

If they don't like it, pop out the Grads and the 107mm's. Target the Gendarmerie posts, awash them in fire, move out of the FP. Rinse and repeat. This is Turkey we're speaking about, it's not the US.

Walther von Oldenburg wrote:Has the Kurdish Express(TM) already begun?

Also, may someone provide me with exact map of Turkish army depots in South and Sout-East Turkey, together with info what exactly is kept there?

Ehem it's not Turkish bases that you need, it's NATO bases in Tukey. Those make things complicated.

Big 4.

Incirlik, Dyarbakir, Malatya (Kureçik) and Mersin. Those 4 bases are the iron fist the US and NATO have in Northern Syria. There are those stocks of TOW, Ammo, Commo and pre-planning that is made. Then the TUrks detail the job on Interlligence & Planning for the MiT and then more casual supplies and people from Turkish Security (local, central or outright MiT). So when you have Turkish soldiers with a cauliflower head in Jisr al Shugur in 2013, its "only fake" ID. When you have MiT cargo stopped by Turkish Gendarmes, that's no problem, it's just humanitarian aid. And when you have Grey wolves killing Russian Pilots in Syria that's Turkmen people.

The PKK are very sufficient fighters. I remember in the 80s people thought they would be history within a year or two, that there was no way they could withstand Turkey's million man NATO army. If you had suggested (as I did) that they would outlive the Tamil Tigers, people would laugh in your face. Yet they managed to kill thousands of Turkish security forces, and there are indications that the Turks have hidden the true scale of their losses for decades. All the while, the PKK kept fighting, established bases in northern Iraq, and established affiliates in Syria (the PYD) and Iran (PJAK). Today without any question they are more powerful than they've ever been. They're focused on the fight against ISIS for now (though they've nearly defeated them on every front), but eventually the battles will return to Turkey in force.

zorobabel wrote:The PKK are very sufficient fighters. I remember in the 80s people thought they would be history within a year or two, that there was no way they could withstand Turkey's million man NATO army. If you had suggested (as I did) that they would outlive the Tamil Tigers, people would laugh in your face. Yet they managed to kill thousands of Turkish security forces, and there are indications that the Turks have hidden the true scale of their losses for decades. All the while, the PKK kept fighting, established bases in northern Iraq, and established affiliates in Syria (the PYD) and Iran (PJAK). Today without any question they are more powerful than they've ever been. They're focused on the fight against ISIS for now (though they've nearly defeated them on every front), but eventually the battles will return to Turkey in force.

Just for the record..For what i read.. kurds even thought they are in 3-4 countries ..
that is Turkey,Iran ,IRAQ and Syria they are not united.  The Kurds in IRAQ are sunni muslins.
non secular.. and the ones in Syria are apparently Shia secular friendly to Christians and not as fanatics.. and they don't have good relations with the kurds in IRAQ that are controlled by USA and Israel.. but that Iran also have influence.

apparently after Turkey coward attack on a Russian bomber ,Russia had made an alliance
with Kurds in Syria and they are fighting now the FSA ,Alqaeda and ISIL. with Russian Airforce
support.

The Kurds are opportunistic so you never know which side they are.. they will support anyone
who helps them get their Independence. or at least a strong Autonomy. Even thought americans were trying to get Kurds on their side.. too.. Russia is the player with better probabilities to
get real good relations with them.

WHen you think about it.. is mind blowing how can Erdogan be so retarded and create proxy war against Syria arming FSA and ISIL ,when they have so many millions of kurds that can be armed too and oppose ERdogan policies.

Russia ready to actively support forces fighting with terrorists on ground — FM



Russian Foreign Minister Sergey Lavrov met with co-chairman of the pro-Kurdish People’s Democratic Party of Turkey Selahattin Demirtas

MOSCOW, December 23. /TASS/. Russia is ready to actively cooperate with the forces in Syria who are fighting against terrorists on the ground, Russian Foreign Minister Sergey Lavrov said on Wednesday opening a meeting with co-chairman of the pro-Kurdish People’s Democratic Party of Turkey Selahattin Demirtas.

"We hope that during your stay in Moscow we will be able to discuss the situation in the region," Lavrov said. "As part of the efforts of the international community to resolve the Syrian crisis, it is crucially important to bring together the opportunities of all those who aim at resolutely fighting against terrorism."

"We know that Iraqi and Syrian Kurds are confronting the threat of ISIS [former name of the Islamic State terrorist group outlawed in Russia - TASS] and other extremist groups ‘on the ground’ with weapons in their hands," the minister said. "They, together with the army of Iraq, the army of Syria are fighting for their homes, for the right to live on their land. This is their inalienable right, just as the rights of Christians, Yazidis and other minorities to remain on the lands of their ancestors and not to be subjected to deadly threats from terrorists."

Lavrov noted that "Russia, being involved in the anti-terrorist coalition in Syria at the request of the Syrian government, is ready to actively support the forces on the ground who are countering this threat."

http://tass.ru/en/politics/846257

From Nov 18th.

Videos like this reinforce my fear that a large chunk of the Turkish Army stems from the same stock of people who make up Daesh and Friends.





Here's a recent PKK IED attack on Turkish convoy.

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=1e2_1450802005

Turks shout Allahu Akbar because that's their chant, It doesn't mean they support ISIS... It's the same as us yelling God is the greatest.

Turks think they are fighting ISIL, In reality of course their government is ISIL's partner. No arguing about that. And you are right, Most Turks are just I dont know how to put it without offending, Savage. Cursing mothers and sisters, Just because something isn't positive about their country. Getting angry for the slightest negativeness against their country. It's usually the Turks living in the city, I've met some Turkish people in the black sea regions that were very great people. (Funny thing is they weren't ethnic Turks)

Clashes With PKK in Turkey’s Southeast Leave 9 Security Personnel Wounded

Read more: http://sputniknews.com/middleeast/20151228/1032414655/pkk-clash-victims-police.html#ixzz3vdMb2g7Q