mp.net is closing?

The MP net doggie "digrar" actively censored posts in the Ukraine thread. I managed to catch some of them before deletion and
there were zero forum rule violations in them. I am not talking about posts with opinions, but news type posts with relevant content.
So I cannot take seriously any attempt to paint MP net as reasonable.

kvs wrote:The MP net doggie "digrar" actively censored posts in the Ukraine thread.   I managed to catch some of them before deletion and
there were zero forum rule violations in them.    I am not talking about posts with opinions, but news type posts with relevant content.
So I cannot take seriously any attempt to paint MP net as reasonable.  

Yep. I posted a post with info, & don't remember who, don't remember which mod, wiped it, and pages off that day. Ugh.

kvs wrote:The MP net doggie "digrar" actively censored posts in the Ukraine thread.   I managed to catch some of them before deletion and
there were zero forum rule violations in them.    I am not talking about posts with opinions, but news type posts with relevant content.
So I cannot take seriously any attempt to paint MP net as reasonable.  

I agree. stopid dog!

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Book. wrote:

kvs wrote:The MP net doggie "digrar" actively censored posts in the Ukraine thread.   I managed to catch some of them before deletion and
there were zero forum rule violations in them.    I am not talking about posts with opinions, but news type posts with relevant content.
So I cannot take seriously any attempt to paint MP net as reasonable.  

I agree. stopid dog!

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I loled. Have a +1. Thanks Book you made my day.

artjomh wrote:I am all for relaxed mods not micromanaging things, but when I see regular non-mod members intervening to tell people to chill out, it seems like an issue to me.

Well with the closing down of mp.net we seem to have an infusion of hot-blooded young spics to this forum here, who don't know the rules and just assume there aren't any, and that since they got here before other newcomers - that means they own the place.

But truth be told what you mentioned was always a problem here; this place is unwelcoming to other points of view and not because of the moderators, but due to the mob mentality of enough posters here that gang up on anyone saying something radically different.

I don't really have the solution to this; all I can really say is that some people ought to grow up.

Well, this is not true at all (the lack, I mean). What about Damian90, Frankerman, many others? But that is beside the point.

Don't get me wrong... there are already plenty of good contributors here... people like SOC and Flankerman and others, plus new arrivals like Auslander, what I meant to say was we could always do with more, and also many of the good contributors are westerners looking in rather than Russians on the inside, so a lot of information comes from interpretations of second hand or third hand information.

Names that spring to my mind include Arthur and Jonesy from Keymags, your good self and there was a guy from fmrYug on mp.net who was rather an expert on WWII... particularly the eastern front, and a chap named REMOV who had excellent knowledge of small arms...

For the intelligent people to come and engage in a vibrant debate, there needs to be an atmosphere of acceptance for the mass of casual silly people.

I think we have plenty of sensible people who ask questions and actually listen to answers... I include myself in that group on many topics I want to learn more about, and indeed many topics I think I know a lot about but in fact I just know the western mantra/myths and think they are true.

If you bully the Western-leaning casuals because they are not following the party line that Russia is indeed the bestest, you are creating an impression that NO dissenting opinion will be tolerated, no matter how well articulated. I don't mean you specifically, but this thread is a good example of people abusing new members for holding a different point of view even before those members broke any rules. All of which leads to intelligent pro-Western people just not bothering with visiting at all.

People with reputations must live with such reputations... a look through the introductions section will show you this is the first case of some negative comments... this new member has annoyed a lot of people on other forums. I have not and will not ban anyone for expressing an opinion.

I am all for relaxed mods not micromanaging things, but when I see regular non-mod members intervening to tell people to chill out, it seems like an issue to me.

This is a community... sometimes people get carried away and say things they really didn't mean or would not normally say if they were not provoked. I don't approve of members ordering other members around, but sometimes a comment to pull ones head in or to calm down a bit is in order... if they don't say it... I will.

Many on this forum are friends so it is ok for such comments, while those who have been here a while are used to the people here and can offer advice... new members can take that or ignore it when it comes from a fellow member.

Major bullshit.

Calm down Werewolf... he is entitled to his opinion and to express it here.

I live in the USA and I would hope it'd be a decent country to live in, and to others in the world, but ...because I live where I do, it's a decent place to live. Because of laws that have been passed, spying, etc. - not so much. & as for as how we treat other countries, well, as I read a guy say today: "Washington is the machine and corporate lobbyist money is the oil. "

When I read this I immediately thought of a T shirt I saw a while back... it said... "The NSA... the only part of the government that really listens to the people".

I agree with your comments... I try hard all the time to separate the actions of the governments of the different countries of the world and the people they supposedly represent.

I actually like American values and most of their morals... just wish they would apply them to their own governments actions rather than judging other countries with them.

Another thing I didn't like over there, was posting info, and a mod just wiping it off the forum.

I hate that too... do you repost it... thinking it was a computer error and risk a ban for pissing off the mod that deleted it?

Often I will move posts I think are in the wrong place, but if I have to delete parts of posts... usually for inappropriate language... I will add a comment in red to explain what I did and why.

I don't really have the solution to this; all I can really say is that some people ought to grow up.

There is some truth to this, but then often in discussions on forums some people will take one side and some will take the other and usually the same people will take predictable sides.

I remember on the Keymags forum there was an American poster called Tom and he was pretty much predictable in his pro western attitudes, except when it came to Iran... he was interested in Iran... I think he was exUS navy and had a hard on for the F-14, so he wasn't always US strong.

What you described sounds like an Iranian Tom Cooper/F-14/fiction worshiper.

Yep... that is him... US carrier groups are magical and can both see and hear everything without emitting anything and being totally stealthy. Are able to move at 40knts and still detect enemy platforms at max range but are invisible when in EMECON conditions...

GarryB wrote:I remember on the Keymags forum there was an American poster called Tom and he was pretty much predictable in his pro western attitudes, except when it came to Iran... he was interested in Iran... I think he was exUS navy and had a hard on for the F-14, so he wasn't always US strong.

What you described sounds like an Iranian who is a Tom Cooper/F-14/fiction/US worshiper.

kvs wrote:The MP net doggie "digrar" actively censored posts in the Ukraine thread.   I managed to catch some of them before deletion and
there were zero forum rule violations in them.    I am not talking about posts with opinions, but news type posts with relevant content.
So I cannot take seriously any attempt to paint MP net as reasonable.  

The goddamn Ukraine thread was the ass of the internet, the Mogadishu of MP.net. It should have been nuked for good and anyone who started anything similar similar should have been sent packing without warning.

Anyone who got banned in that thread deserved it a million times over. I have zero sympathy for people who got slapped by mods after engaging in the asshattery of that thread. It literally made good people stupider just posting there.

People complaining about getting their posts deleted in the Ukraine thread simply don't realize what they looked like from the outside. You all looked really bad. Like people that shouldn't be in a civilized society.

I feel the pain of guys like digrar who had to sift through all that crap. Digrar was literally Jesus for putting up with all that bullshit.

artjomh wrote:

kvs wrote:The MP net doggie "digrar" actively censored posts in the Ukraine thread.   I managed to catch some of them before deletion and
there were zero forum rule violations in them.    I am not talking about posts with opinions, but news type posts with relevant content.
So I cannot take seriously any attempt to paint MP net as reasonable.  

The goddamn Ukraine thread was the ass of the internet, the Mogadishu of MP.net. It should have been nuked for good and anyone who started anything similar similar should have been sent packing without warning.

Anyone who got banned in that thread deserved it a million times over. I have zero sympathy for people who got slapped by mods after engaging in the asshattery of that thread. It literally made good people stupider just posting there.

People complaining about getting their posts deleted in the Ukraine thread simply don't realize what they looked like from the outside. You all looked really bad. Like people that shouldn't be in a civilized society.

I feel the pain of guys like digrar who had to sift through all that crap. Digrar was literally Jesus for putting up with all that bullshit.

We have a common fool that follows retarded authorities and their retarded injustice and call it just. There were no bans from mods in ukraine thread for violation, Jewish stronkkk and NATO stronkkk assholes that have been engaging and constantly breaking forum rules have been left alone, while witch hunting of anyone that was not PRO USA/ISRAELI/NATO and even dared to say NAZI's in ukraine was hunted down or was provocted with full backup of mods untill that person reacted so they could justify banning. So spare me this bullshit that all who got banned deserved ban, fools like you are a problem on forums. Go to TheMess if you like that shit so well.

artjomh wrote:

kvs wrote:The MP net doggie "digrar" actively censored posts in the Ukraine thread.   I managed to catch some of them before deletion and
there were zero forum rule violations in them.    I am not talking about posts with opinions, but news type posts with relevant content.
So I cannot take seriously any attempt to paint MP net as reasonable.  

The goddamn Ukraine thread was the ass of the internet, the Mogadishu of MP.net. It should have been nuked for good and anyone who started anything similar similar should have been sent packing without warning.

Anyone who got banned in that thread deserved it a million times over. I have zero sympathy for people who got slapped by mods after engaging in the asshattery of that thread. It literally made good people stupider just posting there.

People complaining about getting their posts deleted in the Ukraine thread simply don't realize what they looked like from the outside. You all looked really bad. Like people that shouldn't be in a civilized society.

I feel the pain of guys like digrar who had to sift through all that crap. Digrar was literally Jesus for putting up with all that bullshit.

Heh, this is something else, you've obviously developped an elaborate virtual version of the Stockholm Syndrome because we had serial other Muqdishus in MP.net with the same level of "moderation".

1. People who got banned there, deservedly or not could be separated in a binary fashion. You could be Pro-Ukraine (or Anti-Rasha the two were interchangeable in that context) and your ban would only earn you temporary vacations. While if you were Pro-Russia (Anti-Ukraine would proably do as well although there was only one person vehemently anti-Ukrainian and that was Tomek29's double account) you'd bite the dust "pour de bon", this regards only BANNED MEMBERS, not the usual suspensions.

2. Therefore the issue wasn't the Ukraine Thread (since the people who'd make that thread, were the same that survived till the End - Think about Monarchist surviving the whole ordeal while asking for a nuke down Pushkin Prospect in Kiev), Ukraine's woes weren't different than Libya's (and in Libya's Thread we had Linedoggie asking for the whole family of MuMu Gaga being skinned, no fvcks given. But don't you dare explain in succint points why the legal mandate out of the Resolution couldn't allow for a bombing campaign over Libya. Go forward tell the people that having Libya blow, you enable people who will strike in FVCKING EUROPE. How did you liked Charlie Hebdo? How did the Britons liked Sousse, how stable was Libya going to become after the "Revolution". I called all this shit. Only to get banned because I wouldn't get along with the programme. Was I ever insulting? Was I ever obnoxious? Nope, I just said what happened three to four year later.

3. Digrar would be Jesus, but Hollis would be Judas then, because Hollis reinstated a whole bunch of banned members: BANNED. MEMBERS. Like flamer 84 for instance. American Cesar. AIG (btw AIG calling Russians in the same words as Goebbels and by extenso Gitler and earning a ban from our friend Ngati, only to be reinstated by Hollis, yes I could see what happened in the vetted area, that was pure Solid Adult behaviour).

4. And btw Jesus Digrar himself having issues with his own points and bans, banning people being me...Cakmak (I swear to God, I almost tried to post with my real second account, just to ridicule the sad joke). Yeah...Jesus.

But hey before you were even on board, OTHER threads were even hotter, try finding any Assange thread on the Wayback machine. Try finding any Israeli thread. Any Russian thread. It's simply ridiculous to claim that the Ukraine thread was the bane of MP.net. Because every thread started by MasterMind, Elfstone44, Jacknola, James and some others would be a FUCKING Historical Revisionism RIOT. It was the freaking Twilghit Zone humping the 4th Dimension in terms of history. You could say anything possible if you shat on communists, feminists, Atheists, unionists, europe (half of the week), gun legislation, the left and all that wasn't OK-ish in the eyes of the lead core.

I didn't saw all this complaining then, quite the contrary. Why I did see, is that the Ukraine thread exposed MP.net VERY MUCH to the outside world. And that's because of the Russian situation. The Syrian thread got the same kind of start, but as pretty much every one was too busy with Libya first and then never thought Assad would make it past 2013, the thread would be rather consensual and rather narrow in comparison with the Ukrainian Big Bang.

Mods banned very sensible people before too of flimsy reasoning. I said, Kitsune was banned for being a Nazi Apologist, he wasn't (hell the dude was kinda special, but not Nazi). They banned Indiana Jones for the same kind of shit (and that was gratuitous. Johaness escaped several time the chop block and this because he publicly exposed Hollis' inaptitude and lack of qualification for the role of moderator.

There was a really good core of people in the mod team. Yeah. Royal. Cali Joe (although he was really dense sometimes). Ngati (that I feared like shit for the fact he didn't want no shoeshine). Farmergirl (that saved my arse at least twice). But these weren't the most active and couldn't reach the way the "others" could.

So yeah you could try and defend some actions with the "Mogadishu of Internet" defense, but what about the others. What about before. Macs. said back in 2012. The Forums were dying because the mods were way too polarizing for the Forum's own good.

The idea was simple; the more you'd research a point, the less impact you'd have on MP.net. It was like the 16th century church. Orwell couldn't write MP.net's modus operandi that much Byzantine it was.
But I agree with you, a lot of people were happy during Albania's Communist rule, including me. Too bad it was a shithole of a system that christened a monster of a people, not unlike the other neighbours once "freedom came back". That's how MP.net was. And that's why the Mess is so ludicrious right now.

You could use the Nurnberg Civil defense, I didn't knew it was like this, and I don't blame anyone for trying it, but the fact however remains. MP.net's loss is a tragedy, those who deny it have no heart, but those who want it back the way it was have no brain.

Disappointing to see such ludicrous support for the outhouse called MP net. If any "pro-Russian" forum acted
like that hole, then you would see it covered by The New York Times and CNN.

Now, now, wait a minute not to throw out the baby with the bath water. MP.net was a beacon of how the world is today. A decaying way of thinking confronted with its own impotence and reacting like it used to. By violence and generally idiosyncracy with the relevant situation.

Take the Chinese threads. You could summarize them in two words from the forum: Xerox-Crap. While the reality is so complex and so much more worrying (for every one here, including Russia). Well that kind of shit, is what would make me puke. Typical Superiority complex. While China is slowly but surely becoming Numero Uno.

For that something should have replaced MP.net. But not the current format of lame.

The problem with letting people say what they think is that sometimes they say things you don't want to hear.

Some people want to solve the worlds problems by setting idiots right one idiot at a time... I have plenty of patience, but it is not endless and I really don't miss posting on western oriented forums and repeating over and over that Russia is only an enemy because the western media is run by people who want to carve up its resources, so they don't like the current strong leaders and don't like to see it getting stronger...

Look at the Russians the west perceives as heroes... Yeltsin and Gorbachev... Gorby was an unrepentant Commie who wanted to strengthen the Soviet Union rather than cause its break up, and Yeltsin thought the west was his powerful ally and signed everything they put in front of him no matter what it did to Russia.

Third world country with nukes... that is what the west called Russia in the 1990s and that is what the West wished Russia to remain forever.

I don't miss that crap.

There are plenty of westerners here who don't hate or fear Russia and think their own countries policies have turned Russia away from the west, when it could have been a very powerful ally... I really don't think that is possible now... until democracy stops being a dirty word that is misused and abused.

MP.net's loss is a tragedy, those who deny it have no heart, but those who want it back the way it was have no brain.

To be honest I was very jealous of the quality of the posters on MP.net and often wondered why they went there... was it the conflict? I mean if you loved the Su-35 would you go to Flanker.ru or would you go to F16.net... seems some people think other people agreeing with them is somehow bad and sharing information with people interested in the same things you are is no challenge... they prefer to fire facts at people who don't give a fuck and hate what you like... perhaps it is the challenge of conversion...

GarryB wrote:The problem with letting people say what they think is that sometimes they say things you don't want to hear.

Some people want to solve the worlds problems by setting idiots right one idiot at a time... I have plenty of patience, but it is not endless and I really don't miss posting on western oriented forums and repeating over and over that Russia is only an enemy because the western media is run by people who want to carve up its resources, so they don't like the current strong leaders and don't like to see it getting stronger...

Look at the Russians the west perceives as heroes... Yeltsin and Gorbachev... Gorby was an unrepentant Commie who wanted to strengthen the Soviet Union rather than cause its break up, and Yeltsin thought the west was his powerful ally and signed everything they put in front of him no matter what it did to Russia.

Third world country with nukes... that is what the west called Russia in the 1990s and that is what the West wished Russia to remain forever.

I don't miss that crap.

There are plenty of westerners here who don't hate or fear Russia and think their own countries policies have turned Russia away from the west, when it could have been a very powerful ally... I really don't think that is possible now... until democracy stops being a dirty word that is misused and abused.

MP.net's loss is a tragedy, those who deny it have no heart, but those who want it back the way it was have no brain.

To be honest I was very jealous of the quality of the posters on MP.net and often wondered why they went there... was it the conflict? I mean if you loved the Su-35 would you go to Flanker.ru or would you go to F16.net... seems some people think other people agreeing with them is somehow bad and sharing information with people interested in the same things you are is no challenge... they prefer to fire facts at people who don't give a fuck and hate what you like... perhaps it is the challenge of conversion...

Well art told you. It was the fact you could debate. Personally, It was too until it became clear, debate was only there to hide the forest. The most interesting fact again, was that the most factual debates tended to get you suspened and/or banned. It's like taking a gnome whale's tail on your face. You'd be left speechless and no matter how right you'd be, it wouldn't matter at all.

KoTeMoRe wrote:

artjomh wrote:

kvs wrote:The MP net doggie "digrar" actively censored posts in the Ukraine thread.   I managed to catch some of them before deletion and
there were zero forum rule violations in them.    I am not talking about posts with opinions, but news type posts with relevant content.
So I cannot take seriously any attempt to paint MP net as reasonable.  

The goddamn Ukraine thread was the ass of the internet, the Mogadishu of MP.net. It should have been nuked for good and anyone who started anything similar similar should have been sent packing without warning.

Anyone who got banned in that thread deserved it a million times over. I have zero sympathy for people who got slapped by mods after engaging in the asshattery of that thread. It literally made good people stupider just posting there.

People complaining about getting their posts deleted in the Ukraine thread simply don't realize what they looked like from the outside. You all looked really bad. Like people that shouldn't be in a civilized society.

I feel the pain of guys like digrar who had to sift through all that crap. Digrar was literally Jesus for putting up with all that bullshit.

Heh, this is something else, you've obviously developped an elaborate virtual version of the Stockholm Syndrome because we had serial other Muqdishus in MP.net with the same level of "moderation".

1. People who got banned there, deservedly or not could be separated in a binary fashion. You could be Pro-Ukraine (or Anti-Rasha the two were interchangeable in that context) and your ban would only earn you temporary vacations. While if you were Pro-Russia (Anti-Ukraine would proably do as well although there was only one person vehemently anti-Ukrainian and that was Tomek29's double account) you'd bite the dust "pour de bon", this regards only BANNED MEMBERS, not the usual suspensions.

2. Therefore the issue wasn't the Ukraine Thread (since the people who'd make that thread, were the same that survived till the End - Think about Monarchist surviving the whole ordeal while asking for a nuke down Pushkin Prospect in Kiev), Ukraine's woes weren't different than Libya's (and in Libya's Thread we had Linedoggie asking for the whole family of MuMu Gaga being skinned, no fvcks given. But don't you dare explain in succint points why the legal mandate out of the Resolution couldn't allow for a bombing campaign over Libya. Go forward tell the people that having Libya blow, you enable people who will strike in FVCKING EUROPE. How did you liked Charlie Hebdo? How did the Britons liked Sousse, how stable was Libya going to become after the "Revolution". I called all this shit. Only to get banned because I wouldn't get along with the programme. Was I ever insulting? Was I ever obnoxious? Nope, I just said what happened three to four year later.

3. Digrar would be Jesus, but Hollis would be Judas then, because Hollis reinstated a whole bunch of banned members: BANNED. MEMBERS. Like flamer 84 for instance. American Cesar. AIG (btw AIG calling Russians in the same words as Goebbels and by extenso Gitler and earning a ban from our friend Ngati, only to be reinstated by Hollis, yes I could see what happened in the vetted area, that was pure Solid Adult behaviour).

4. And btw Jesus Digrar himself having issues with his own points and bans, banning people being me...Cakmak (I swear to God, I almost tried to post with my real second account, just to ridicule the sad joke). Yeah...Jesus.

But hey before you were even on board, OTHER threads were even hotter, try finding any Assange thread on the Wayback machine. Try finding any Israeli thread. Any Russian thread. It's simply ridiculous to claim that the Ukraine thread was the bane of MP.net. Because every thread started by MasterMind, Elfstone44, Jacknola, James and some others would be a FUCKING Historical Revisionism RIOT. It was the freaking Twilghit Zone humping the 4th Dimension in terms of history. You could say anything possible if you shat on communists, feminists, Atheists, unionists, europe (half of the week), gun legislation, the left and all that wasn't OK-ish in the eyes of the lead core.

I didn't saw all this complaining then, quite the contrary. Why I did see, is that the Ukraine thread exposed MP.net VERY MUCH to the outside world. And that's because of the Russian situation. The Syrian thread got the same kind of start, but as pretty much every one was too busy with Libya first and then never thought Assad would make it past 2013, the thread would be rather consensual and rather narrow in comparison with the Ukrainian Big Bang.

Mods banned very sensible people before too of flimsy reasoning. I said, Kitsune was banned for being a Nazi Apologist, he wasn't (hell the dude was kinda special, but not Nazi). They banned Indiana  Jones for the same kind of shit (and that was gratuitous. Johaness escaped several time the chop block and this because he publicly exposed Hollis' inaptitude and lack of qualification for the role of moderator.

There was a really good core of people in the mod team. Yeah. Royal. Cali Joe (although he was really dense sometimes). Ngati (that I feared like shit for the fact he didn't want no shoeshine). Farmergirl (that saved my arse at least twice). But these weren't the most active and couldn't reach the way the "others" could.

So yeah you could try and defend some actions with the "Mogadishu of Internet" defense, but what about the others. What about before. Macs. said back in 2012. The Forums were dying because the mods were way too polarizing for the Forum's own good.

The idea was simple; the more you'd research a point, the less impact you'd have on MP.net. It was like the 16th century church. Orwell couldn't write MP.net's modus operandi that much Byzantine it was.
But I agree with you, a lot of people were happy during Albania's Communist rule, including me. Too bad it was a shithole of a system that christened a monster of a people, not unlike the other neighbours once "freedom came back". That's how MP.net was. And that's why the Mess is so ludicrious right now.

You could use the Nurnberg Civil defense, I didn't knew it was like this, and I don't blame anyone for trying it, but the fact however remains. MP.net's loss is a tragedy, those who deny it have no heart, but those who want it back the way it was have no brain.

That's a heck of a post. & I appreciate it!
It's poetry!

The ONLY reason anyone thought this:

The goddamn Ukraine thread was the ass of the internet, wrote:

or anything like that is because the anti-Russians, pro-Americans, pro-Nato, or just plain ignorant people said that over, and over, and over, and over. It had no basis. It was said to discredit the thread, the information posted there.
There was a lot of good information on the Ukraine thread, and there was not much for someone like me to go to otherwise: youtube, and twitter. & then you had all the Pro America, etc, attempting to get ppl banned, that was their only goal, the *****. & just disrupting the flow of information as much as they could, and people posting ****, oh well. like you said "those who want it back the way it was have no brain."

Actually it is not just mp.nuts that were so militant pro-usa with mostly american ignorants as mods and amdins that were constantly praised as the most civil, patient and most JUST mods by other Pro-westerners. I've seen same hypocrisy on other forums where mods prohibit political talk in military threads and very next day the mod himself started it "EVIL EVIL NORTH KOREA" when pointing that out, my post was deleted and i got a warning, so screw that crap. I think most americans are ignorant and i am damn sure that is the actual case not just perception and such people shouldn't have any moderation or administrative rights to push their agendas.

Here on our russian military orientated forum we have only one actual russian that is admin Vlad and here barely takes any actions with his power, while the constantly posting and most active mods are non russian which maybe do not have the little disadvantage of being prone to react out of emotion when someone says something entirely anti russian or glances of it. So i think that case with non russians as admins that in nature are every reluctant to use their powers and are very patient and well educated and open to discussions makes that a much more worth and better place for discussions or attempts of trying to value your own ideas and thoughts with other users.

Bump.

Don't you guys think the mp.net mods might have dealt better with the Ukrainian thread(s)? Rather than try to moderate something that cannot be moderate, they should have simply left people alone and let them debate about medieval maps, extent of Ukrainian language in 19th century, Holodomor or whatever thing they wanted to discuss. It would be easier and mods would not have to spend hours deleting posts.

IMHO mp.net was too harsh on people - way too many users were kicked out. You had users with thousands of posts who were on the forum for years and would then get banned for some minor clash with another user - FP was there for a decade and got banned too - and he's literally a role model of a forum user.

Walther von Oldenburg wrote:Bump.

Don't you guys think the mp.net mods might have dealt better with the Ukrainian thread(s)? Rather than try to moderate something that cannot be moderate, they should have simply left people alone and let them debate about medieval maps, extent of Ukrainian language in 19th century, Holodomor or whatever thing they wanted to discuss. It would be easier and mods would not have to spend hours deleting posts.

IMHO mp.net was too harsh on people - way too many users were kicked out. You had users with thousands of posts who were on the forum for years and would then get banned for some minor clash with another user - FP was there for a decade and got banned too - and he's literally a role model of a forum user.

Let me guess you have not followed a specific discussion between members and saw the results who was shut up with the ban hammer and who remained regardless of how disrespectful or how right out db behavior some person showed?

As a pool of news/knowledge/ and up to date stuff from the military world MP net was unsurpassed.

Unfortunately the cocksuckers running that forum were genuine USA propagandists.

You could spit on Russia and everything related to it at will - hardly a mod picked on you, but do only a fraction of that when it came to Murica, and boy you were in trouble.

I was banned twice by those fucktards for imagined reasons.

marcinko wrote:As a pool of news/knowledge/ and up to date stuff from the military world MP net was unsurpassed.

Unfortunately the cocksuckers running that forum were genuine USA propagandists.

You could spit on Russia and everything related to it at will - hardly a mod picked on you, but do only a fraction of that when it came to Murica, and boy you were in trouble.

I was banned twice by those fucktards for imagined reasons.

Yeah, it's too bad that it drew so much quality posters who were routinely sodomized by the degenerate mods.
I can see some of these better posters trying to make The Mess a new MP net. They should boycott any MP
net style clown operation. If they are worried about circle jerks and echo chambers, then they are mistaken.
This forum has enough diversity to make it interesting.

marcinko wrote:As a pool of news/knowledge/ and up to date stuff from the military world MP net was unsurpassed.

Unfortunately the cocksuckers running that forum were genuine USA propagandists.

You could spit on Russia and everything related to it at will - hardly a mod picked on you, but do only a fraction of that when it came to Murica, and boy you were in trouble.

I was banned twice by those fucktards for imagined reasons.

No worry Mp die!

Rd is here... 

kvs wrote:Yeah, it's too bad that it drew so much quality posters who were routinely sodomized by the degenerate mods.
I can see some of these better posters trying to make The Mess a new MP net.   They should boycott any MP
net style clown operation.   If they are worried about circle jerks and echo chambers, then they are mistaken.
This forum has enough diversity to make it interesting.

Mess can never no1

No pic vido. look like twitter feed
the idea stopid

I see lot gameboy kid there

Walther von Oldenburg wrote:Bump.

Don't you guys think the mp.net mods might have dealt better with the Ukrainian thread(s)? Rather than try to moderate something that cannot be moderate, they should have simply left people alone and let them debate about medieval maps, extent of Ukrainian language in 19th century, Holodomor or whatever thing they wanted to discuss. It would be easier and mods would not have to spend hours deleting posts.

IMHO mp.net was too harsh on people - way too many users were kicked out. You had users with thousands of posts who were on the forum for years and would then get banned for some minor clash with another user - FP was there for a decade and got banned too - and he's literally a role model of a forum user.

The problem with MP.net (and more or less with The Mess) is that you have a two-fold... mess.

1. There were (are) political guidelines within the forum rules.
2. The moderation task wasn't (isn't) a "common good" type of position, it's skewered by personal bias. Moderators wield their power as a personal attribute, you can't develop any possible subject to its full extent, if that subject gets under the skin of one or more moderators. It took a decade to Yanks to get the head of Delta-Whiskey 58. And one of the victimized minions, James, went on to become a Mod..."le monde à l'envers".

NB: FP hasn't always been a model user, but he was banned mostly for being the exact sum of frustrations from that Forum. Ergo, if you push people at some point they'll push back. IRL most of the moderation crew are nobodies, that's why they act the way they act within the Forum.

Well that's the whole picture on MP.net autism.

It's literally amazing. Moose complaining there's no 30 minute notice about who does what. Given the fact there is no more large scale open warfare since Marinka (even that a skirmish) I don't know what you should actually expect.

As for the one side...well funny he doesn't remember our friend kalerab predicting "separ" defeat back in July 2014. From May til July 2014, it was round after round of Glorious Ukranian army bringing "constitutionnal order" 152mm at a time. Then we got now issues with one sided reports...guess that reports will get one sided when you can't win a war and you drag out your own incompetence.

So yeah basically Moose complains that life is complicated, and his opinions aren't close to the reality. Tough luck. But if no info on separatists is trickling, that's mainly because the MODS kicked, banned or simply detered more people to inform.

And the funniest thing from "I-Still-'Now-Jacksquat-Honestly" is that Twitter is reliable (we all know there's little reliability in Twitter from all sides) and he's been informative. I'm still expecting that aquaculture farm in Venezuela to become a WMD location. 4 year on, still waiting.