The Situation in the Ukraine. #16

Flagship Victory wrote:

Karl Haushofer wrote:

Flagship Victory wrote:Azov reports fighting in Shirokino right now. Looks like Azov went on the offensive after NAF in Shirokino ordered not to shoot back after unilaterally demilitarizing Shirokino.

"The battle is still under way now. It's all progressing according to the standard script. Artillery is at work, cannons, mortars and rockets. At the moment there is only one wounded Ukrainian soldier. There are still civilians there, no-one has taken them out."

http://www.interpretermag.com/ukraine-live-day-499-further-evidence-of-military-activity-near-recently-discovered-russian-base/

Do you think the NAF will adhere the Minsk agreement and not shoot back or shoot back and defend themselves?

This must be the most pathetic "war" ever.

They were ordered not to shoot back because of gesture of good will. Has nothing to do with Minsk.

Karl Haushofer wrote:These "gestures of good will" have become a farce...

Flagship Victory wrote:

Karl Haushofer wrote:These "gestures of good will" have become a farce...

True. This isn't even good PR anymore. This is silliness. What does Maidan do with captured NAF soldiers? Execution.

Karl Haushofer wrote:And who do these morons think is the audience of their "good will"? The West?

PapaDragon wrote:Now I feel really bad for not paying attention in Russian language class....

Grade A quality humor for Russian speakers it seems  

Klitschko was unable to answer a number of times on one question. VIDEO

The mayor of Kiev, known for its colorful expressions, surprised netizens that has repeatedly failed to answer the question of the journalist to sign a document with President of Ukraine Petro Poroshenko.

http://ria.ru/world/20150630/1104731986.html

The mayor of Kiev Vitali Klitschko again attracted the attention of the users of the Internet - this time that has not given any concrete response leading Ukrainian media about the agreement, which allegedly was made ​​before the election in Ukraine in 2014.

Klitschko to the question of what to do on this meeting Sergei Lyovochkin, said he did not remember. Kyiv Mayor said that "not ready to comment on how this or that politician found himself elsewhere."

"I met with all the politicians who are in Ukrainian politics, regardless of their political views, political parties, because political dialogue should be with all" - said Vitaly Klitschko.

Klitschko said that exactly remember the date of his arrival in Vienna - March 25, the birthday of his brother Wladimir Klitschko, after which the leader asks the question of how the mayor of Kiev met with Firtash.

"On the way to my brother, I met so many people," - said Klitschko, but has not said how he met with Ukrainian oligarch.
On several occasions repeated the question of whether to sign with Klitschko Poroshenko any documents until March 25, 2014 on or after, the politician said: "For a very long time has passed ... I sign every day a huge number of papers ... Well, I do not really remember."

PapaDragon wrote:
I'm on tablet so can't type much but holy cow check this out!!!!

http://fortruss.blogspot.com/2015/07/ukraines-alternative-to-russian-gas-wood.html

Erk wrote:

PapaDragon wrote:
I'm on tablet so can't type much but holy cow check this out!!!!

http://fortruss.blogspot.com/2015/07/ukraines-alternative-to-russian-gas-wood.html

Running cars on wood is not a bad idea, as it's renewable. Probably need some up to day 21st century device to do it, not from the 2nd world war vintage.

kvs wrote:

Erk wrote:

PapaDragon wrote:
I'm on tablet so can't type much but holy cow check this out!!!!

http://fortruss.blogspot.com/2015/07/ukraines-alternative-to-russian-gas-wood.html

Running cars on wood is not a bad idea, as it's renewable. Probably need some up to day 21st century device to do it, not from the 2nd world war vintage.

Wood, aka cellulose, is composed of sugar molecules.   Fermentation with bacteria that have the right enzymes can produce ethanol.  
Brazil gets it from sugar cane and the US gets it from corn.    Burning wood directly is a non-starter unless you want to have a high
temperature furnace driving a steam engine.   But the energy return on energy invested in ethanol production from corn is bad and
no cellulose based ethanol production exists anywhere.    

Licella has a chemical process that converts modern biomass, wood waste and grasses, into a liquid fuel. And that process is just a way of depolymerising the polymers that nature produces, which are the biomass, the solid woods, the solid other grasses, things that can grow in a lifetime and can be regrown. So it means that we can then use the waste material from a traditional forestry industry. They replant the trees, the trees absorb carbon dioxide and they grow, we take the woody waste they produce and we convert that into a bio-crude. So we reverse nature's process of making a complex solid polymer, which is wood, and we convert that to a liquid which is a bio-crude oil, and we make it such that it's completely compatible to be blended in with the fossil oil and it can go through exactly the same structure of refinery as fossil oil does today, but what you put in your petrol tank or in your truck or in your aeroplane has a biofuel component from this waste biomass.

Политика 2015 wrote:ATO on drugs - I was covered!

Ukraine Can Defeat The Separatists

Ukraine is much stronger than people give it credit for. Up until now, the Ukrainians have been fighting with one arm tied behind their back—much of their combat power has deliberately been held in reserve, to risk provoking Russia into allocating more forces to the fight. The last time the Ukrainian military mounted a calculated offensive against the separatists, in August of last year (so that means the two offensives later were not calculated ? ), it experienced quick success . Russia had to move thousands of soldiers across the border to shore up separatist resolve       , and assisted the separatists with artillery, tanks and anti-air assets (including the Russian AA battery that shot down Malaysia Airlines Flight 17).

But Ukraine does have sophisticated defensive capabilities, which are increasing with every day. The Ukrainian population—especially Kyiv and parts of the West and South—feels more and more invested in the struggle    as friends and relatives are killed or wounded on the front lines. And Ukrainian military formations are training hard.  

Russia is fragile. The longer it waits in Ukraine, the greater the chances that its military forces will encounter a disaster not faced since World War II: the encirclement and destruction of a Russian battle group.        Every week that passes, the Ukrainian military is growing stronger and more confident. Every week that passes, the Russian soldiers and units become more certain that they have the advantage, and that their Ukrainian adversaries are weak and unmotivated.

This is the greatest risk we face for World War III. Not that Russia defeats Ukraine and moves toward Poland and Estonia, but that Ukraine wipes out the Russians currently in Ukraine, and Putin is forced to take some drastic action to prevent further losses. After all, why should Ukraine not feel entitled to take some of Russia’s territory in return for their lost Crimea? And who will be there to stop them, save demoralized and confused Russian conscripts?  

I hope Western negotiators are able to help Putin see the folly of his position in Ukraine, and sooner rather than later—the longer he stays in Ukraine, the more likely it is that he will suffer a dangerous and humiliating reverse. (oh shut up you idiot     )

Khepesh wrote:

PapaDragon wrote:Now I feel really bad for not paying attention in Russian language class....

Grade A quality humor for Russian speakers it seems  

Klitschko was unable to answer a number of times on one question. VIDEO

The mayor of Kiev, known for its colorful expressions, surprised netizens that has repeatedly failed to answer the question of the journalist to sign a document with President of Ukraine Petro Poroshenko.

http://ria.ru/world/20150630/1104731986.html

The mayor of Kiev Vitali Klitschko again attracted the attention of the users of the Internet - this time that has not given any concrete response leading Ukrainian media about the agreement, which allegedly was made ​​before the election in Ukraine in 2014.

Klitschko to the question of what to do on this meeting Sergei Lyovochkin, said he did not remember. Kyiv Mayor said that "not ready to comment on how this or that politician found himself elsewhere."

"I met with all the politicians who are in Ukrainian politics, regardless of their political views, political parties, because political dialogue should be with all" - said Vitaly Klitschko.

Klitschko said that exactly remember the date of his arrival in Vienna - March 25, the birthday of his brother Wladimir Klitschko, after which the leader asks the question of how the mayor of Kiev met with Firtash.

"On the way to my brother, I met so many people," - said Klitschko, but has not said how he met with Ukrainian oligarch.
On several occasions repeated the question of whether to sign with Klitschko Poroshenko any documents until March 25, 2014 on or after, the politician said: "For a very long time has passed ... I sign every day a huge number of papers ... Well, I do not really remember."

Klichko, the Ukranian Cicero, the greatest orator and philosopher of the age....
"Yesterday I thought that tomorrow was today"

higurashihougi wrote:WHAT ?????

http://www.forbes.com/sites/realspin/2015/07/01/ukraine-can-defeat-the-separatists/

Ukraine Can Defeat The Separatists

Ukraine is much stronger than people give it credit for. Up until now, the Ukrainians have been fighting with one arm tied behind their back—much of their combat power has deliberately been held in reserve, to risk provoking Russia into allocating more forces to the fight. The last time the Ukrainian military mounted a calculated offensive against the separatists, in August of last year (so that means the two offensives later were not calculated ?     ), it experienced quick success     . Russia had to move thousands of soldiers across the border to shore up separatist resolve       , and assisted the separatists with artillery, tanks and anti-air assets (including the Russian AA battery that shot down Malaysia Airlines Flight 17).

But Ukraine does have sophisticated defensive capabilities, which are increasing with every day. The Ukrainian population—especially Kyiv and parts of the West and South—feels more and more invested in the struggle    as friends and relatives are killed or wounded on the front lines. And Ukrainian military formations are training hard.  

Russia is fragile. The longer it waits in Ukraine, the greater the chances that its military forces will encounter a disaster not faced since World War II: the encirclement and destruction of a Russian battle group.        Every week that passes, the Ukrainian military is growing stronger and more confident. Every week that passes, the Russian soldiers and units become more certain that they have the advantage, and that their Ukrainian adversaries are weak and unmotivated.

This is the greatest risk we face for World War III. Not that Russia defeats Ukraine and moves toward Poland and Estonia, but that Ukraine wipes out the Russians currently in Ukraine, and Putin is forced to take some drastic action to prevent further losses. After all, why should Ukraine not feel entitled to take some of Russia’s territory in return for their lost Crimea? And who will be there to stop them, save demoralized and confused Russian conscripts?  

I hope Western negotiators are able to help Putin see the folly of his position in Ukraine, and sooner rather than later—the longer he stays in Ukraine, the more likely it is that he will suffer a dangerous and humiliating reverse. (oh shut up you idiot     )

Ivan the Colorado wrote:

higurashihougi wrote:WHAT ?????

http://www.forbes.com/sites/realspin/2015/07/01/ukraine-can-defeat-the-separatists/

Ukraine Can Defeat The Separatists

Ukraine is much stronger than people give it credit for. Up until now, the Ukrainians have been fighting with one arm tied behind their back—much of their combat power has deliberately been held in reserve, to risk provoking Russia into allocating more forces to the fight. The last time the Ukrainian military mounted a calculated offensive against the separatists, in August of last year (so that means the two offensives later were not calculated ?     ), it experienced quick success     . Russia had to move thousands of soldiers across the border to shore up separatist resolve       , and assisted the separatists with artillery, tanks and anti-air assets (including the Russian AA battery that shot down Malaysia Airlines Flight 17).

But Ukraine does have sophisticated defensive capabilities, which are increasing with every day. The Ukrainian population—especially Kyiv and parts of the West and South—feels more and more invested in the struggle    as friends and relatives are killed or wounded on the front lines. And Ukrainian military formations are training hard.  

Russia is fragile. The longer it waits in Ukraine, the greater the chances that its military forces will encounter a disaster not faced since World War II: the encirclement and destruction of a Russian battle group.        Every week that passes, the Ukrainian military is growing stronger and more confident. Every week that passes, the Russian soldiers and units become more certain that they have the advantage, and that their Ukrainian adversaries are weak and unmotivated.

This is the greatest risk we face for World War III. Not that Russia defeats Ukraine and moves toward Poland and Estonia, but that Ukraine wipes out the Russians currently in Ukraine, and Putin is forced to take some drastic action to prevent further losses. After all, why should Ukraine not feel entitled to take some of Russia’s territory in return for their lost Crimea? And who will be there to stop them, save demoralized and confused Russian conscripts?  

I hope Western negotiators are able to help Putin see the folly of his position in Ukraine, and sooner rather than later—the longer he stays in Ukraine, the more likely it is that he will suffer a dangerous and humiliating reverse. (oh shut up you idiot     )

Yikes!!! We all really underestimated the Ukrainian Military guys! How could we not see that Ilovaisk and Debaltsevo were easily decisive Ukrop victories? I guess the next time I visit Moscow I will be paying in Griven not Rubles....

Rodinazombie wrote:

Good God, the propaganda is reaching world war two levels even from the west now, the hysteria and downright lies are incredible. Its not even a case of twisting facts anymore, its just blatant turning the truth on its head and making up nonsense.

Talking of which, did anyone else see poroshenkos claim yesterday that there are 200,000 russian troops in donbass? Sounds like he is setting the ground to justify anther ukie cockup to me.

Ivan the Colorado wrote:

Rodinazombie wrote:

Good God, the propaganda is reaching world war two levels even from the west now, the hysteria and downright lies are incredible. Its not even a case of twisting facts anymore, its just blatant turning the truth on its head and making up nonsense.

Talking of which, did anyone else see poroshenkos claim yesterday that there are 200,000 russian troops in donbass? Sounds like he is setting the ground to justify anther ukie cockup to me.

I think this is the 98392nd time I heard him make a claim like that, so no biggie. Although, I am a fan of the law passed by Porky that allows foreign troops in Ukraine though. Best invitation for the Polite People to walk right in and correct the disturbance in the Force caused by the Maidan. Legally, I might add as well.

But in all seriousness, I love how people comment that Yanukovich asked foreign troops to try and save the peace. But not a word has been uttered by this law which is effectively meant to bring a even more foreign force into the crippled country to bring even more bloodshed.

JohninMK wrote:The US pressure Kiev to comply with Minsk? Now that is a novel idea that will go down very well with McCain and his buddies in Congress.

US Assistant Secretary of State Victoria Nuland will meet with Russian Deputy Foreign Minister Grigory Karasin on July 9 to discuss how Washington can increase its influence on Kiev to implement the Minsk agreements on Ukrainian reconciliation.

(....)

Read more: http://sputniknews.com/world/20150702/1024112735.html#ixzz3eiwGTjTC

higurashihougi wrote:WHAT ?????

http://www.forbes.com/sites/realspin/2015/07/01/ukraine-can-defeat-the-separatists/

Ukraine Can Defeat The Separatists

Ukraine is much stronger than people give it credit for. Up until now, the Ukrainians have been fighting with one arm tied behind their back—much of their combat power has deliberately been held in reserve, to risk provoking Russia into allocating more forces to the fight. The last time the Ukrainian military mounted a calculated offensive against the separatists, in August of last year (so that means the two offensives later were not calculated ?     ), it experienced quick success     . Russia had to move thousands of soldiers across the border to shore up separatist resolve       , and assisted the separatists with artillery, tanks and anti-air assets (including the Russian AA battery that shot down Malaysia Airlines Flight 17).

But Ukraine does have sophisticated defensive capabilities, which are increasing with every day. The Ukrainian population—especially Kyiv and parts of the West and South—feels more and more invested in the struggle    as friends and relatives are killed or wounded on the front lines. And Ukrainian military formations are training hard.  

Russia is fragile. The longer it waits in Ukraine, the greater the chances that its military forces will encounter a disaster not faced since World War II: the encirclement and destruction of a Russian battle group.        Every week that passes, the Ukrainian military is growing stronger and more confident. Every week that passes, the Russian soldiers and units become more certain that they have the advantage, and that their Ukrainian adversaries are weak and unmotivated.

This is the greatest risk we face for World War III. Not that Russia defeats Ukraine and moves toward Poland and Estonia, but that Ukraine wipes out the Russians currently in Ukraine, and Putin is forced to take some drastic action to prevent further losses. After all, why should Ukraine not feel entitled to take some of Russia’s territory in return for their lost Crimea? And who will be there to stop them, save demoralized and confused Russian conscripts?  

I hope Western negotiators are able to help Putin see the folly of his position in Ukraine, and sooner rather than later—the longer he stays in Ukraine, the more likely it is that he will suffer a dangerous and humiliating reverse. (oh shut up you idiot     )

Rodinazombie wrote:about becoming independent of a foreign power.

kap-the-head wrote:One of the volunteers in Donbass, Alexei Smirnov (Shariy often refers to him in his videos) is saying that it's imperative that we move all the kids out of the area within three days, or disaster will strike.
"Ситуация экстренная обьявляю сбор средств на вывоз детей с линии фронта.
В течение трех дней нужно вывезти иначе быть беде.."

I wonder if they see something we don't...

Neutrality wrote:What's up with the NAF pulling out their men in Shirokino? Anyone got an explanation?