The Situation in the Ukraine. #16

Monarchist wrote:
Your frustrated reaction and words tells me I'm right.

higurashihougi wrote:

PapaDragon wrote:

Monarchist wrote:“What would you be without a Tsar, O Russians?" - St. John of Kronstadt

You do realise that the Tzar that you get off so hard on was just the biggest oligarch of it's time?

And all this time I thought that you hated oligarchs...  It turned out you are their biggest fan!

Depends on Tsars. Monarchs like Pyotr the Great and Ekaterina II are good. Especially Pyotr, he is a supporter of industrialism and science. But others are just pieces of shit.

Actually Tsarist regime began to degenerate when young nobles began to "study" in Western "liberal" countries. Rather than learning true value of liberalism, these "liberal" Russian learned all kinds of degeneration of Western society and became the loyal c*cksuckers of the Western oligarchs.

And in 1914 Russia betrayed Germany, attacked East Prussia.

OminousSpudd wrote:Wow leave the thread for a few days and it gets overrun by paranoid Putin haters...

Some of the rhetoric you guys are spouting against Moscow's stance is stupidly narrow minded. I'll reiterate for the 10th time, either Russia plays the Global Chessboard and resoundingly wins the game for the next century, or Russia quagmires itself in a regional conflict that will be resolved when Ukraine and the Keiv junta collapses anyway. Honestly how narrow minded do you have to be to not see the outcome on a grander scale of either scenario.

In saying this some of you are actually accusing Putin of being pro-West, so you really are pretty narrow minded.

opasnie wrote:Marinka. A successful counterattack militias. 18+ Exclusive

Быль wrote:A child from Donetsk showed how hiding from shelling
Oktyabrsky is in the Kuibyshev region of Donetsk. It is located near the airport, so constantly shelled the Ukrainian army. In June, the government began a program of resettlement of the DNI of the villagers to safer rayony.Malenky boy Sergei calls himself "a man" and already knows what to do when "babayka shoots shrapnel." It shows how the land lies and covers his head. Another resident of the village desperately asks, "What do we do, where do we go? More exhausted. Even where not only where only did not live. From there, flying projectiles - there Sands and Chkalov. We can not ".In Internet a video in which the residents of the village Oktyabrsky (for the past week, he repeatedly found himself under attack security officials) tell how experienced Ukrainian obstrely.Siloviki tightening the reinforcements to Lugansk republic. According to the militias Ukrainian technique has been seen in the area of ​​happiness and villages Lugansk. At the headquarters of the NPT believe that the National Guard under wants to gain a foothold on the outskirts of Luhansk. Meanwhile, the civilian population of the two republics do not know where to hide from attacks. During the day, the silence was broken regime security forces more than 30 times.

ExBeobachter1987 wrote:
Kiev needs a fight in the east, to divert attention from the increasing problems and attract more Western money/support, much more than Russia. I suspect that in the event of the UA actually attacking east, sufficient munitions will be fired from indeterminate and deniable sources with the objective to stop them in their tracks and cause a mutiny.

JohninMK wrote:Russia seems to be determined to keep Ukraine (excluding Crimea) intact with a viable Russian oriented section in the East as a counterbalance to the west of the country.

Neutrality wrote:So the OSCE just assessed the situation in Shirokino. Lenta's source is Interfax: http://lenta.ru/news/2015/07/04/osceshirokino/

-Both civilians and NAF have abandonned the village.
-80% of the town is destroyed according to Alexander Hug.
-Observers are reporting a considerable amount of artillery pieces on the frontline. (But they don't report which side's artillery this is though. This tells me it's Ukrainian because we all know how quick the OSCE is to report anything bad the NAF does).

Come on OSCE you fucking scumbags. Try to be honest for once and report who is trying to concentrate its artillery closer to the frontlines. That's the only fucking job you have there.

Neutrality wrote:So the OSCE just assessed the situation in Shirokino. Lenta's source is Interfax: http://lenta.ru/news/2015/07/04/osceshirokino/

-Both civilians and NAF have abandonned the village.
-80% of the town is destroyed according to Alexander Hug.
-Observers are reporting a considerable amount of artillery pieces on the frontline. (But they don't report which side's artillery this is though. This tells me it's Ukrainian because we all know how quick the OSCE is to report anything bad the NAF does).

Come on OSCE you fucking scumbags. Try to be honest for once and report who is trying to concentrate its artillery closer to the frontlines. That's the only fucking job you have there.

auslander wrote:It was our boys who removed the last of the civilians from the village, not the Ukrainians. OSCE did not report that.
It was our boys who declared the village a neutral zone after negotiations including OSCE and the Ukrainians. OSCE did not report that.
The Ukrainians have now moved in to the village in violation of the Minsk Agreement and the negotiations to declare the village a demilitarized zone. OSCE did not report that.
It is common knowledge to even a deaf and blind man that the Ukrainians have not withdrawn their heavy artillery from anywhere in the lines from Mariupol to east of Lugansk. OSCE did not and does not report that.

What exactly to you expect from them? They have an agenda and that agenda is patently obvious to a blind snail, let alone a biped who is cognizant of what is going on around it.

Every day we lose civilian dead and wounded all along the line from Ukraine bombardments. OSCE does not report that.
Every day we lose our soldiers to Ukraine bombardments along the line. OSCE does not report that.
Every day cities, towns and villages in Novorossiya are bombarded by Ukrainian artillery including Giasint, Pion, Grad and Tuchka missiles. OSCE does not report that.

The day will come when the leash is loosened and our boys will put paid to this farce of Minsk. You can rest assured that the moment our boys start to have success Mutti Merkel and the fop Golland will go running to Mockba again and scream for Minsk 3. One can only hope that VVP will tell them to go urinate up a braided line of hemp and invite that pair of oxygen thieves to have intimate relations with themselves.

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auslander wrote:
The day will come when the leash is loosened and our boys will put paid to this farce of Minsk. You can rest assured that the moment our boys start to have success Mutti Merkel and the fop Golland will go running to Mockba again and scream for Minsk 3. One can only hope that VVP will tell them to go urinate up a braided line of hemp and invite that pair of oxygen thieves to have intimate relations with themselves.

Neutrality wrote:In case hostilities break out again, the NAF command shouldn't walk away from a potential Minsk 3. They should agree to that only and only when Ukraine's potential for another offensive is completely annihiliated and I don't care how many Ukrainian soldiers will find their death in that case. No more propositions to a peaceful surrender. If there are going to be cauldrons again then they should be wiped out by artillery completely. Apparently some of the VSU was able to break out of Debalcevo. That shouldn't be allowed next time.

sepheronx wrote:A village was lost.  As it sucks that the rebels decided to actually listen to the idiots at OSCE to give up the village to turn it into a demilitarized zone, and then it subsequently enough Pukrainians move in, it just proves to the NAF and Russians that they really should do what they deem is necessary.

sepheronx wrote:A village was lost.  As it sucks that the rebels decided to actually listen to the idiots at OSCE to give up the village to turn it into a demilitarized zone, and then it subsequently enough Pukrainians move in, it just proves to the NAF and Russians that they really should do what they deem is necessary.

That said, if one looks at Syria, Rebels gain and lose territory, over the years, and then regain, then lose it again, etc.  As well, the Rebels in Ukraine have huge local support of way over a million (try 3mil that remain and millions more outside) so they have far more support than even the rebels in Syria, and with indication that they want independence from Ukraine, will mean that this war will fight on much longer.

They just need to tell Russia to screw off and they will fight for themselves.  There will still be support from various Russian oligarches and private donations/crowed funding that will come in to help arm and feed the NAF.

sepheronx wrote:A village was lost.  As it sucks that the rebels decided to actually listen to the idiots at OSCE to give up the village to turn it into a demilitarized zone, and then it subsequently enough Pukrainians move in, it just proves to the NAF and Russians that they really should do what they deem is necessary.

That said, if one looks at Syria, Rebels gain and lose territory, over the years, and then regain, then lose it again, etc.  As well, the Rebels in Ukraine have huge local support of way over a million (try 3mil that remain and millions more outside) so they have far more support than even the rebels in Syria, and with indication that they want independence from Ukraine, will mean that this war will fight on much longer.

They just need to tell Russia to screw off and they will fight for themselves.  There will still be support from various Russian oligarches and private donations/crowed funding that will come in to help arm and feed the NAF.