Russian Airborne Troops (VDV) News:

Landing in the highlands!
This will not go down well in Scotland.

Hole wrote:Landing in the highlands!
This will not go down well in Scotland.

Hahaha I'd welcome them if they were coming to liberate us from Westminster rule and help give us independence.  Lol

GunshipDemocracy wrote:VDV new transport/assault  chopper saga continued:

And at the Moscow plant named after M.L. Mile specifically for the Airborne Forces want to develop a new helicopter. The executive director of the company, Sergey Romanenko, announced this at the Army-2018 forum. According to him, the machine, designed for 8 people, will be able to fly and land in various conditions, including in the highlands. Development work on this project should start next year, and the delivery of prototypes is scheduled for 2026th.

so flying IVF is real after all...


https://rg.ru/2018/11/20/kakie-vertolety-i-kompleksy-pvo-mogut-poluchit-desantnye-vojska.html

so they want a transport helicopter similar to Blackhawk?

The Mi-24/-35 can already transport 8 people and fly in various conditions.

Parachutes with oxygen equipment developed for Russia’s Airborne Force

Work is also underway to upgrade the D-10 parachute system and a reserve parachute for landing servicemen clad in the Ratnik combat outfit

MOSCOW, February 22. /TASS/. New special-purpose parachute systems with oxygen equipment have been developed for Russia’s Airborne Force for high-altitude jumps, Airborne Force Commander Andrei Serdyukov said in an interview with the Defense Ministry’s daily Krasnaya Zvezda published on Friday.

"As part of the experimental design work that has been carried out, new special-purpose ‘wing-type’ parachutes with oxygen gear have been developed for landing from high altitudes," the general said.

Since 2018, Russia has also been developing a parachute system to land soldiers with their organic arms and ammunition. Work is also underway to upgrade the D-10 parachute system and a reserve parachute for landing servicemen clad in the Ratnik combat outfit, the general said.

"These parachute systems will feature new technical solutions, such as the fabric with the zero air permeability, the positive buoyancy of cargo containers, etc.," the general explained.

In addition, work is underway to develop a standardized multi-purpose platform for the Airborne Force to land hardware and cargoes weighing more than 15 tonnes, he said.

"Considering that the Airborne Force is being supplied with new military hardware based on Kamaz vehicles, a standardized multi-purpose parachute platform is being developed to land hardware and cargoes with a flight weight of more than 15 tonnes with the help of parachutes," the commander said.

Already in 2019, the Airborne Force will start getting the Bakhcha-U-PDS parachute system designed to land modern combat hardware, such as BMD-4M airborne assault vehicles and BTR-MDM armored personnel carriers with the crews inside them, the general said.


More:
http://tass.com/defense/1045975

Source: Airborne Forces Airborne Division Developing New Helicopter

The new machine will be a "conceptual development" of the Mi-24 and Mi-35M helicopters, the agency’s source said

MOSCOW, March 27. / TASS /. A new combat helicopter is being developed for the airborne units of the Airborne Forces of Russia. The machine will be a further development of the Mi-24 and Mi-35 helicopters, a source in the military-industrial complex told TASS on Wednesday.

"In the interests of the airborne airborne formations of the new type, work has been intensified on the modernization of existing [helicopters] and the development of a substantially new helicopter, an airborne combat vehicle," the agency’s source said. The source noted that the new helicopter will be "the conceptual development of the Mi-24 - Mi-35M".

The interviewee said that in the future the new helicopter will become the basis of a whole line of machines for the Airborne Forces. These will be special helicopters, transport helicopters, control, reconnaissance and electronic warfare helicopters. At the request of the military, the source added, "all vehicles must operate in a single information and control circuit of the Airborne Forces."

Before the advent of the new helicopter, the Airborne Forces are proposed to upgrade the vehicles already in service. "Mi-24 - to the level of the Mi-35M, the family of the Mi-8/17 - to the level of the Mi-8AMTSH-VN ), heavy transport helicopters Mi-26T - to the level of Mi-26T2V ", - said the source.
https://tass.ru/armiya-i-opk/6262151

1) My Mi-35 bet was right

2) No tilt -rotor for VDV then

George1 wrote: so they want a transport helicopter similar to Blackhawk?

no, something like  Mi-24/35 gunship+transport in one. They had proposed one Mi-8ATMSH-VN with 37 troops transported, armored yet still more APC thne gunship.

http://www.airwar.ru/enc/ah/mi8atmshvn.html

Hole wrote:The Mi-24/-35 can already transport 8 people and fly in various conditions.

Mi-8 can of course 3-4 more but this is the difference between IVF and APC/Truck. VDV wants IVF

Troop compartment on Hinds is significantly less armoured than cockpit, this is probably one of things they want to rectify

Plus there is speed, range, interior space and payload that could always be increased, my bet is that range will be priority

PapaDragon wrote:
Troop compartment on Hinds is significantly less armoured than cockpit, this is probably one of things they want to rectify

Plus there is speed, range, interior space and payload that could always be increased, my bet is that range will be priority

Honestly the "troop compartment" on Hinds are said to be cramped and uncomfortable, and are better suited to store gear than to house people. Hopefully we can get a Hind upgrade that converts the space into a ammo handling/feed storage, maybe with a under-cockpit AGS-30 attached with a direct feed to ammo handling compartment...

PapaDragon wrote:
Troop compartment on Hinds is significantly less armoured than cockpit, this is probably one of things they want to rectify

Plus there is speed, range, interior space and payload that could always be increased, my bet is that range will be priority

same as agility, ballistic protection and firepower

magnumcromagnon wrote:

PapaDragon wrote:
Troop compartment on Hinds is significantly less armoured than cockpit, this is probably one of things they want to rectify

Plus there is speed, range, interior space and payload that could always be increased, my bet is that range will be priority

Honestly the "troop compartment" on Hinds are said to be cramped and uncomfortable, and are better suited to store gear than to house people. Hopefully we can get a Hind upgrade that converts  the space into a ammo handling/feed storage, maybe with a under-cockpit AGS-30 attached with a direct feed to ammo handling compartment...

I agree but this is not upgrade really
from Tass:
development of a substantially new helicopter, an airborne combat vehicle," the agency’s source said.

If you want comfort, don´t go to the army.

so they want a transport helicopter similar to Blackhawk?

No. They specifically said can operate in highlands... the Blackhawk is fing useless and cannot operate in most places in Afghanistan, which is why the US had to supply their Afghan puppets with Mi-8s instead of using Blackhawks.

The Mi-24/-35 can already transport 8 people and fly in various conditions.

Indeed, so what they are after is a higher speed and better protected Hind.

2) No tilt -rotor for VDV then Suspect Suspect Suspect

High speed helicopter is a more conservative approach, and can be cashed in more easily... high speed helicopter technology can be directly applied to existing helos to improve performance much more easily than brand new potentially risky tiltrotor technology... a quad rotor might be balanced but the twin rotor system involves balancing on a bicycle at some stage every landing and every takeoff...

VDV wants IVF

??

New armour technology using ceramics and light weight armours from light vehicle designs should allow improvements in protection for the troops... coaxial rotor design and high speed helo design should free up some weight in terms of tail rotor design and reduced wing size to allow RWS turrets... perhaps rear and side entry doors for rapid getting on and off from three directions with gun positions in the front and rear corners providing firepower protection...

GarryB wrote:

2) No tilt -rotor for VDV then Suspect Suspect Suspect

High speed helicopter is a more conservative approach, and can be cashed in more easily... high speed helicopter technology can be directly applied to existing helos to improve performance much more easily than brand new potentially risky tiltrotor technology... a quad rotor might be balanced but the twin rotor system involves balancing on a bicycle at some stage every landing and every takeoff...

sounds plausible or because of nature of quick troops drop? there might be simply no time to land with tilt rotor and take off. "Forest skimming" helos are popping up lowering to 1-2 over ground level drop troops and take of fighting as support gunships?

GB wrote:

VDV wants IVF

??

New armour technology using ceramics and light weight armours from light vehicle designs should allow improvements in protection for the troops... coaxial rotor design and high speed helo design should free up some weight in terms of tail rotor design and reduced wing size to allow RWS turrets... perhaps rear and side entry doors for rapid getting on and off from three directions with gun positions in the front and rear corners providing  firepower protection...

true, just my point was VDV doesn't look for APC to bring troops to battlefield. VDV looks for IVF to fight with troops.

You mean IFV don't you?

Or considering the nature of this site you mean BMP.

Isn't IVF some sort of treatment involving saline drips and needles in the arm?

Russian paratroopers’ armored unit involved in first Crimean drills

More:
http://tass.com/defense/1052057

A tank battalion is formed in the 56th Airborne Assault Brigade of the Airborne Forces

A few days ago, the VDV and VTA carried out a large scale parachute drop over Crimea, with 2500 paratroopers in 40 Il-76's taking part

Exercise at Polivno Training ground...they seem to be using a lot more pick up trucks than before

Cyberspec wrote:Exercise at Polivno Training ground...they seem to be using a lot more pick up trucks than before

Syrian experience, and the advocacy by MOD for light fast-attack tactics.

Deep behind enemy lines speed and fire power is more important than protection...

Very simply a US air drop to capture an airfield would need to be dropped almost on top of the airfield so any air defences of the airfield will take down a few aircraft if not taken out first.

VDV can drop 100km away from the target... form up in vehicles and head at high speed towards whatever target they have in mind... with surprise.

If they attack an airfield they will have a fire power advantage because few airfields have heavy ground forces to protect them... once the airfield is captured heavier armour and ground forces can be flown in and used to stop the counter attack made up of ad hoc forces from the region.

I'm not against their use....actually it's something they could've done much earlier with or without Syria

Cyberspec wrote:I'm not against their use....actually it's something they could've done much earlier with or without Syria

From my understanding they've had these tactics since at least the Afghan war, but it's just now becoming more prevalent. Ideally speaking I would modify the technicals to have more protection and fire power. Because we are talking light fast attack, the technicals can't be too well armored (weight constraints), however the main cabin could have significant armor but the trailer could be unarmored. The main cabin could also have ERA, and it was demonstrated on Military Acceptance (the Kurganets-25 episode) that the mid-90's upgrade to BMP-3's had ERA capable of protecting unarmored pick up trucks. The main trailer could have a significant armament slaved to a RWS. The RWS could have a electro-optical sighting symstem, connected to a target radar suite to have interchangeable ATGM's between Kornet and Chrysanthemum as well as a double stack of 32 57mm rocket pods on one side of the RWS, and 8 Verba's and a GSH-23L autocannon on the other side of the RWS.

But that is the problem... you add more armour and tons of weapons and all of a sudden it is a slow much easier target more likely to get bogged down or stuck in some environments... or even to roll over...

The crews will be wearing body armour... modest vehicle armour with a big powerful engine and a few support weapons on board is all they need... if they need fire support then they will have gunships that would be much better able to deliver such fire power to enemy positions than systems mounted on a light high speed vehicle.

It seems these were mortar crews travelling in Lada Niva utes during the exercise of the VDV Artillery units

https://bmpd.livejournal.com/3720161.html

Cyberspec wrote:It seems these were mortar crews travelling in Lada Niva utes during the exercise of the VDV Artillery units

https://bmpd.livejournal.com/3720161.html

More than 300 mortar/arty paratroopers from the 31st Independent Air Assault Brigade conducted a training exercise at the Polivno Training Area with Niva/Lada 4x4 with Podnos 82mm mortars and UAZ pickups with Sani 120mm mortars transported by Mi-26 helos.
https://mobile.twitter.com/RALee85/status/1157373945504522240



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The 31st (Air Assault Brigade) is being used by the VDV to experiment with an air assault element with organic helo aviation, which was tested at Vostok 2018.
An organic VDV helo brigade will be created in the future, which will improve the VDV's expeditionary capabilities.





https://mobile.twitter.com/RALee85/status/1157374176572903427