The Situation in the Ukraine. #20

Political analyst right now on 112.ua basically calling everyone who blames Putin and his secret agents complete and utter retards.

Poroshenko refused special status as specified in Minsk 2, so what's the fuss? I'm thinking it's because Poroshenko targeted Lyashko for political purging.

There are fatalities.

http://www.kyivpost.com/content/ukraine/klitschko-says-law-enforcement-officers-were-killed-in-clashes-near-rada-building-396864.html

The moment the grenade was thrown

If you look carefully the guy on the bottom left is holding a fire extinguisher which then explodes as the grenade goes off.

French journalist injured

Tyagnibok was there according to various reports, including this one with a photo said to be from today. It will be difficult for him to survive I think...  http://inforesist.org/kak-tyagnibok-pomogal-bit-nacgvardejca-pod-radoj/


Anyway, now we know why Putin was weight training in Sochi, so he could throw grenade a long distance....

Rodinazombie wrote:

Khepesh wrote:

Rodinazombie wrote:

Khepesh wrote:Pravy sektor call for armed uprising http://rusvesna.su/news/1441020284
Would be good if this was maidan 3, but I think this is going to be repressed quickly. The maidunts with their helmets and sheilds are there, but not very many, not enough to be a serious threat.

I agree, though we can always hope.

Now, where are a bunch of guys with sniper rifles when you need them mr poroshenko?

I want to know what Obama thinks of this, for instance, are they "peaceful protestors" and will he give Poroshenko strong warnings about not using force. But we know western media will never remind him or their readers and viewers....

Oh i think this story will appear in our (uk) media, but it will be watered down and without the hysterical angle they took during maidan. There may be a mention of a blast or police injured, but it will say that the exact cause is unknown, and most probably they will report that 'a senior ukie mp blamed russian securty services for the incident'

Already on Daily Mail online and pretty much full report, excellent pictures. This is defo worth checking out.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3216944/Two-police-wounded-grenade-outside-Ukraine-parliament-Reuters-witness.html

I fully support current democratic revolution in Kiev...

Same here: http://www.demorgen.be/buitenland/een-dode-en-tientallen-gewonden-tijdens-rellen-in-kiev-a2440424/

That's one of the most respected newspapers in Belgium. They are wrong about one thing though. The author writes about more autonomy for Donbass which is untrue. Further he writes about DNR and LNR's not trusting the current leaders in Kiev because they believe that their power is illegitimate (read: truth). Not a single word about Putin or the Russian army participating in Donbass.

It's both on CNN and Euronews.

How enjoyable...

Also from Moscow http://sputniknews.com/europe/20150831/1026386506.html

Plus

KIEV, August 31. /TASS/. Ukraine’s Interior Ministry reported that a National Guard fighter died of a bullet wound to his heart on Monday amid clashes in central Kiev.

Good, good. And the summer is not even over yet. Gentlemen, take a look at the perfect example of "patriots" displaying their hate and willingness to fight "the enemy" by being several hundred kms from actual combat zone.
The same people and government they brought to power have now become "traitors" and "enemies of UkrOp people".


Let them play with the rabble, they are running out of time. Most interesting thing to consider is the impact on front-line troops and their morale, and on those yet to serve in UkrOp forces.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-34105925

Imagine the riot if Poroshenko gives special status

Rodinazombie wrote:

Khepesh wrote:Pravy sektor call for armed uprising http://rusvesna.su/news/1441020284
Would be good if this was maidan 3, but I think this is going to be repressed quickly. The maidunts with their helmets and sheilds are there, but not very many, not enough to be a serious threat.

I agree, though we can always hope.

Now, where are a bunch of guys with sniper rifles when you need them mr poroshenko?

Interfax reporting that the National Guardsmen killed was shot with a bullet

Poroshenko's reign is coming to an end. Radicals and nazis will thrown him and than he will be guilty for all miseries and defeats in Ukraine and many of his people will be killed when the new cleansing in government offices will start. Nazis will restart the war, but not only in Donbass, but in a whole Ukraine. Actually Donbass will be the most peaceful region. I think this tragedy in Ukraine will not last long. In few years, around 2018 nazis will be defeated and this madness will end. Actually it is a destiny of Novorussian army to liberate the Ukraine.

I wonder, how will EU react, when nazis will thrown Poroshenko and restart the war. Will they impose sanctions on Ukraine?

This is still not sign of actual trouble. These are radical lunatics, average people have little simpathy for them, especially after events like this one today, or those parades and marches far from combat.



This is just a glimpse of what awaits the country if it maintains "its" course. However passive and lethargic most of the people are, there is a red line for them. Poverty, hunger, cold, unemployment... Most of people are completely egoistic, only once their personal livelihood is threatened, they will start acting.

Flagship Victory wrote:http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-34105925

Imagine the riot if Poroshenko gives special status

Sensible comment. Problem for Poro will be getting the 300 votes to get it passed, rather than just the 265 he got today. Still, there were only a couple of hundred protesters by the look of it.

This is going to be a bumpy ride and it is not even the devolving of powers that was envisaged in Minsk2. From the reaction anyone would think that these small areas of Ukraine were getting independence, far from it.

Since Poroshenko refused special status and local elections, Zackarchenko should go on the offensive now to liberate Donbas.

SturmGuard wrote:This is still not sign of actual trouble. These are radical lunatics, average people have little simpathy for them, especially after events like this one today, or those parades and marches far from combat.



This is just a glimpse of what awaits the country if it maintains "its" course. However passive and lethargic most of the people are, there is a red line for them. Poverty, hunger, cold, unemployment... Most of people are completely egoistic, only once their personal livelihood is threatened, they will start acting.

Yet. Those lunatics forces Yanukovich to flee and they will force Poroshenko too. This is a beginning. Poroshenko could not trust his police and army as those lunatics are also inside and they have their own armies too.

Flagship Victory wrote:Since Poroshenko refused special status and local elections, Zackarchenko should go on the offensive now to liberate Donbas.

No. Zaharchenko now have to wait, that nazi and radical lunatics throw Poroshenko and restart a war. Than he will have free hands to fully defeat them.

medo wrote:

Flagship Victory wrote:Since Poroshenko refused special status and local elections, Zackarchenko should go on the offensive now to liberate Donbas.

No. Zaharchenko now have to wait, that nazi and radical lunatics throw Poroshenko and restart a war. Than he will have free hands to fully defeat them.

It is unlikely that will happen. Poroshenko controls the MSM. That's how Yanukovych was overthrown. If Zackarchenko want to liberate Donbas, he will have to fight. There is no other way.

Some pictures from today. I thought John McCain liked to take photos with the gentleman in the 13th photo down Wonder where old John was today

http://colonelcassad.livejournal.com/2364288.html

franco wrote:
Interfax reporting that the National Guardsmen killed was shot with a bullet

Been ammended to shrapnel

Avakov has said the grenade thrower has been caught, a member of "Svoboda" who is serving in battalion "Sich" which is part of Ukranian MVD. http://112.ua/kriminal/avakov-zaderzhannyy-granatometchik-svobodovec-iz-sichi-255306.html

Khepesh wrote:Avakov has said the grenade thrower has been caught, a member of "Svoboda" who is serving in battalion "Sich" which is part of Ukranian MVD.  http://112.ua/kriminal/avakov-zaderzhannyy-granatometchik-svobodovec-iz-sichi-255306.html

Sich is part of 93rd brigade, the one that kills Donbas civilians every day and night. He will find Poroshenko not as tolerant as Zackarchenko and Plonitsky.

BTW do we have a deadline when Poroshenko is supposed to implement Minsk 2? Is it October when elections take place?

I'm not exactly a fan of Donbas civilians having to die every day and night just for NAF held Donbas to serve as a frozen conflict preventing Ukraine from joining EU and NATO. Crimea alone can serve that role. No need for NAF held Donbas to serve that role. Indeed, Putin never planned for Donbas uprising. Donbas uprising was spontaneous after Crimea.