Syrian Civil War: News #2

But thats the major issue..

The war in Syria , and Americans/israel interference have nothing to do with freedom,
Nothing to do with democracy ,Nothing to do with Assad. Americans are really happy with working with dictators when they are loyal to the US empire.. THis war in Syria have everything
to do with RUssia.. They want to build a middle east pipeline from Qatar, passing through Syria territory and from there to Turkey and Europe.. to bypass  Russia energy business with Europe.

Thats the whole Point of the Syrian war , Americans will not stop until Syria is split in two or tree failed states , a Puppet leader controls the zones of Syria they need to build a pipeline to Europe. To Isolate Russia economy from Europe..

The Syria /IRAQ war are Economic War against Russia.. and removing any independent competitive army from Middle east that Israel cannot control is only the bonus. I really think
Syria is doomed at this point.. Putin's call Assad a Regime.. and Medvedev opinions are not any better. Only a miracle , that have nothing to do with RUssia could save them. Because So far it looks like RUssia is already giving up in that war. and that they will just try now to minimize the destruction that NATO will leave in Syria and that it doesn't end like Lybia a governless state.

It seems Putin will negotiate the partition of Syria as long is not completely destroyed and Pro Assad people gets one land for them and Americans getting their land for their European pipeline,and Israel get what they want too ,hizbolah destroyed and another Lebanon weak nation ,in Syria were they will not have control over their own Airforce or Government and the only thing they will have is no war.

I don't know what to think.. but it looks that way.. That Russia finally have give up with Syria.
Putin now calling for Assad to hold elections and "share power" with opposition the west will control. That will only divide the Army and destabilize /create problems to Syria central Government.  The west wants Assad to step down .because that will only made it more easier for them to split the nation and divide the army. IF assad "shares power" is over. You either have all power or have none.. but there is not half President possible..a Shared Power is a huge mistake, it will create exactly the conditions that made it possible for the opposition to kick
Yakunovych in Ukraine from Power. HE shared power and thats when he lost control of Ukraine.

I am well aware of what you are saying, but i dont see any other way to help Syria, Syrian army has been losing ground for quite some time, now ISIS poses even greater threat than actual rebels... not sure what to say to be honest. Russians have been helping with intelligence and weapon supplies as much as they could, now basically only option for them to widen help is to come to Syria with own army and i dont think that Russia needs that kind of expence and dead Russian soldiers atm. I can say only that i hope for the best for the Syrian people, i survived two wars i know how it is.

Word on the street is that Russia is getting involved in Syria with more than just Spetsnaz advisers. Western media saying that there will be boots on the ground soon (seems very unlikely). There are images circulating that are suspected Russian fighters (Su-34s and MiG-29s to be precise) hitting IS targets. The quality of images leaves a lot to be desired though.

LINK: http://theaviationist.com/2015/09/02/russians-against-isis-over-syria/

Syria assad need the go. I think Sunni governor back Saud arab the way

Gulf arab help pay fix the Syria.

Ru still the ally

Book. wrote:Syria assad need the go. I think Sunni governor back Saud arab the way

Gulf arab help pay fix the Syria.

Ru still the ally

Saudi apes are US ally and in case Saudi wins over, Russia will be kicked out and focus of US will shift to a next Russian ally.

I agree viktor. Ru slow make good the Saud arab

$10 billon space energy oil deal in work

Soon Saud arab the Ru ally to

Book. wrote:I agree viktor. Ru slow make good the Saud arab

$10 billon space energy oil deal in work

Soon Saud arab the Ru ally to

10 bin $ is nothing compared to its US relations which is why they still hold the power. Saudi apes must first be overthrown and get rid of the US influence and only than you can think

about some Ru-Saudi alliance.

How are you sure that one who replaces Al Saud family in KSA will cut ties with USA? US is willing to work with anyone in the region, regardless of their ideology. They really don't give a damn whether KSA is ruled by Wahhabi Islamists or by Maoists as long as US interests are not threatened.

Personally, I don't think there is a viable secular alternative in KSA. There was a communist party during the cold war but it was made nearly exclusively of Shias. Sunnis don't have, and never had, any organized secular opposition.

Ivan the Colorado wrote:Word on the street is that Russia is getting involved in Syria with more than just Spetsnaz advisers. Western media saying that there will be boots on the ground soon (seems very unlikely). There are images circulating that are suspected Russian fighters (Su-34s and MiG-29s to be precise) hitting IS targets. The quality of images leaves a lot to be desired though.

Meanwhile quality of photos is like they were taken with boiled potato i must admit it truly does remind of fighters on Su27/Mig29 platform and that UAV reminds me of Yakovlev Pchela. But couldnt it just be Syrian Air force Mig29 and Pchela UAV given by Russia? Since i doubt Pchela is anymore used by Russians.

Walther von Oldenburg wrote:How are you sure that one who replaces Al Saud family in KSA will cut ties with USA? US is willing to work with anyone in the region, regardless of their ideology. They really don't give a damn whether KSA is ruled by Wahhabi Islamists or by Maoists as long as US interests are not threatened.

Personally, I don't think there is a viable secular alternative in KSA. There was a communist party during the cold war but it was made nearly exclusively of Shias. Sunnis don't have, and never had, any organized secular opposition.

Look at what US did to Ukraine and transfer the analogy to Saudi apes in somewhat different form.

Ivan the Colorado wrote:Word on the street is that Russia is getting involved in Syria with more than just Spetsnaz advisers. Western media saying that there will be boots on the ground soon (seems very unlikely). There are images circulating that are suspected Russian fighters (Su-34s and MiG-29s to be precise) hitting IS targets. The quality of images leaves a lot to be desired though.

LINK: http://theaviationist.com/2015/09/02/russians-against-isis-over-syria/

Are there Russian troops in Syria?

Руслан Левиев wrote:Final conclusion

Since 1971, Russia has had a naval depot in Tartus, Syria (once again, not a naval base), Since the fall of the Soviet Union, the depot hasn't been particularly important. Russian vessels visited it for service from time to time. The depot was manned by a total of four Russian servicemen. In 2010, Russian government pondered over turning the depot into a full-blown naval base, but in 2011, Arab Spring and Syrian civil war happened. To be on the safe side, in 2013 all the Russian staff, including civilians, was evacuated from the depot. Later, in comments to the press, Russia's deputy foreign minister Mikhail Bogdanov said that the depot had no strategic or military importance and all the Russian servicemen and civilian staff had been evacuated to Russia to avoid risks to their lives and escalating the conflict. Among the evacuees there also were military advisors.

In spring 2015, government troops suffer huge defeats close to Latakia, losing Idlib in March and Jisr al-Shughur in April. Latakia is strategically important for Assad: this is Syria's largest port, and close to it there is an international airport/airbase, where both Russian humanitarian aid and military hardware have been unloaded. To the south of the airbase there's Tartus, housing Russia's naval depot.

Due to this threat, a quick shift of Kremlin strategy occurs: the Tartus depot suddenly becomes important for Russia once again, talks are renewed of turning it into a bona fide naval base, Tartus sees an influx of military vehicles and Russian soldiers. The Tartus depot used to house but 4 Russian seamen servicing it. Now it has hundreds of soldiers and heavy vehicles.

In late August, fighting close to Latakia goes on. Combat footage captures a Russian-made BTR-82A with a color scheme and number characteristic of Russian military units. As the APC is shooting, we can hear orders to the gunner in Russian. Several days later, in Western Idlib governorate, Jabhaat al Nusra (Al Qaeda) spot a Russian Pchela-1T UAV. 3 fighter jets are also spotted there, believed by many to be Russian.

Meanwhile, posts appear on social networks about contract soldiers being sent to Tartus (while in early 2015 draftees went to Tartus as well) for long periods from 3 to 8 months.

Based on all of the above, our team believes that currently Russian marines have been moved to Syria to guard and strengthen the Tartus depot as well as the airbase close to Latakia. We believe infantry does not take part in the fighting. However, we believe that Russian vehicles with Russian crews do go into battle. Support is also rendered at least by Russian UAVs.

الفرقة 101 مشاة برومو عمل اللواء الاول على جبهتي كفريا و الفوعة
FSA 101st Brigade the Front line hit hard the Hezbo + Regime
[b]Published on Sep 5, 2015 [09.05.2015 21:20:58]



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PapaDragon wrote:
Is ''Monday morning quarterback'' correct expression?

''Russia Was Right About How to Deal with Syrian Crisis – Finnish President''

http://sputniknews.com/middleeast/20150904/1026606016.html

The problem is the White House failed to realize that.

http://sputniknews.com/politics/20150905/1026643508.html

During a phone talk with Sergei Lavrov, John Kerry made it clear that Russia's alleged military build-up in Syria could cause the escalation of conflict in the country.

See not all Americans have their heads up their asses;

http://ronpaulinstitute.org/archives/peace-and-prosperity/2015/september/04/white-house-russian-military-action-against-isis-in-syria-would-be-destabilizing/

The day they lose their superpower status will be a great day for the world.

franco wrote:See not all Americans have their heads up their asses;

http://ronpaulinstitute.org/archives/peace-and-prosperity/2015/september/04/white-house-russian-military-action-against-isis-in-syria-would-be-destabilizing/

Of course US oppose Russian military action in Syria or Iraq against ISIS. In that case Russia will actually bomb and destroy ISIS, which is US terror organization.

In my opinion, Russia should make a strategy with Syria, Iraq and Iran. Operation must start in Iraq, which have border with Iran. Russia should send few regiments of Su-24M2 to Iraq, Iran a division or two of IRGC and Iraq to mobilize 100.000 shia soldiers under Iraqi shia and Iranian generals They have to exclude any sunni Iraqi army unit from it, because they could not rely on them. Such force could quite quickly destroy ISIS in Iraq and when reaching the border with Syria, prolong the offensive to get to Syrian army in Damascus. After that, they could together destroy remaining ISIS pockets in Syria. Before the start Iraq should give Iraqi Kurdistan full independence, that Turkey will focus on Kurdistan and not in supporting ISIS. Actually it would be far better, if this military operation is done by SCO military alliance, what mean involvement of Chinese army too, which could send few regiments of J-10 fighters and armor units.

ExBeobachter1987 wrote:

Руслан Левиев wrote:Final conclusion

Meanwhile, posts appear on social networks about contract soldiers being sent to Tartus (while in early 2015 draftees went to Tartus as well) for long periods from 3 to 8 months.

Based on all of the above, our team believes that currently Russian marines have been moved to Syria to guard and strengthen the Tartus depot as well as the airbase close to Latakia. We believe infantry does not take part in the fighting. However, we believe that Russian vehicles with Russian crews do go into battle. Support is also rendered at least by Russian UAVs.

Perhaps these flights are the reason for the stepped up airport security.

ATHENS (Sputnik) — Greece denied on Sunday US request to close Athens airspace (FIR Athens) for the flights of Russian aircraft with humanitarian aid to Syria, a diplomatic source in Athens said.

"On Saturday, US embassy appealed to the Greek government with a request to prohibit the flights of Russian aircraft in the FIR Athens. The Greek government refused to do so, in order not to worsen relations with Russia," the source told RIA Novosti. According to the source, Moscow has requested and received Athens' permission to conduct flights to transport humanitarian aid to Syria in the period from September 1 to September 24.

Athens is yet to confirm the information.

Read more: http://sputniknews.com/europe/20150906/1026660464.html#ixzz3kzQWgqax

This certainly sounds like enough troops to set the Western MSM alight Clearly a significant strike force, after all they are to be feared Russians.

On Friday morning, a Russian Marine contingent of about 40 soldiers arrived at their naval repair facility in Tartous City in order to train the civilian-led “National Defense Forces” (NDF) inside a number of provinces, including the Homs, Latakia, and Tartous Governorates of western Syria.

Despite the propaganda surfacing from their arrival in Tartous, the Russian Marines have no direct involvement in the ground warfare; however, they are assisting the Syrian Arab Army (SAA) with both intel and satellite imagery, while the Syrian Opposition media reports the direct use of these Russian soldiers at checkpoints in rural Latakia and Homs.
According to a military source inside the Latakia Governorate, the Russian Marines have not manned any checkpoints nor engaged the Syrian Opposition forces in direct combat; this was reportedly fabricated by social media activists from the Syrian Opposition.

The source confirmed that the Russian Marines have all arrived in Tartous; they are currently stationed inside the strategic cities of Slunfeh (Jabal Al-Akrad), Jableh (coastal city in Latakia) and Homs.

http://fortruss.blogspot.co.uk/2015/09/russian-marines-arrive-in-syria-to.html

JohninMK wrote:
Perhaps these flights are the reason for the stepped up airport security.

ATHENS (Sputnik) — Greece denied on Sunday US request to close Athens airspace (FIR Athens) for the flights of Russian aircraft with humanitarian aid to Syria, a diplomatic source in Athens said.

"On Saturday, US embassy appealed to the Greek government with a request to prohibit the flights of Russian aircraft in the FIR Athens. The Greek government refused to do so, in order not to worsen relations with Russia," the source told RIA Novosti. According to the source, Moscow has requested and received Athens' permission to conduct flights to transport humanitarian aid to Syria in the period from September 1 to September 24.

Athens is yet to confirm the information.

Read more: http://sputniknews.com/europe/20150906/1026660464.html#ixzz3kzQWgqax

Sofia goverment is taking the toll for Athena, probably.

http://sputniknews.com/europe/20150908/1026732699.html

Bulgaria Denies Airspace to Russian Aid Flights to Syria

Bulgaria has denied its airspace to Russian aid flights to Syria, Reuters reports on Tuesday citing the Bulgarian foreign ministry's spokeswoman.

"The Bulgarian foreign ministry has refused flights over Bulgaria of Russian military transport planes en route to Syria," the spokeswoman told Reuters, adding that the decision was taken in the past few days.

According to the Greek Kathimerini newspaper, Bulgaria’s decision makes life easier for the Greek government, currently coming under pressure from Washington on the issue, as it makes the question of Russian aircraft traveling through Greek airspace redundant.

higurashihougi wrote:

JohninMK wrote:
Perhaps these flights are the reason for the stepped up airport security.

ATHENS (Sputnik) — Greece denied on Sunday US request to close Athens airspace (FIR Athens) for the flights of Russian aircraft with humanitarian aid to Syria, a diplomatic source in Athens said.

"On Saturday, US embassy appealed to the Greek government with a request to prohibit the flights of Russian aircraft in the FIR Athens. The Greek government refused to do so, in order not to worsen relations with Russia," the source told RIA Novosti. According to the source, Moscow has requested and received Athens' permission to conduct flights to transport humanitarian aid to Syria in the period from September 1 to September 24.

Athens is yet to confirm the information.

Read more: http://sputniknews.com/europe/20150906/1026660464.html#ixzz3kzQWgqax

Sofia goverment is taking the toll for Athena, probably.

http://sputniknews.com/europe/20150908/1026732699.html

Bulgaria Denies Airspace to Russian Aid Flights to Syria

Bulgaria has denied its airspace to Russian aid flights to Syria, Reuters reports on Tuesday citing the Bulgarian foreign ministry's spokeswoman.

"The Bulgarian foreign ministry has refused flights over Bulgaria of Russian military transport planes en route to Syria," the spokeswoman told Reuters, adding that the decision was taken in the past few days.

According to the Greek Kathimerini newspaper, Bulgaria’s decision makes life easier for the Greek government, currently coming under pressure from Washington on the issue, as it makes the question of Russian aircraft traveling through Greek airspace redundant.

Russia have other option available. They could send as much ships as possible to evacuate Syrian army and Assad and than leave Syria to ISIS. Than will be Europe flooded with 20 million refugees only from Syria, not to count from other places. Let the EU take care for them or send them to US. It's not the Russian problem. After that Russia should with Shanghai alliance start operation to liberate Iraq and Syria from Iran. Russia, China, India, Iran, Iraq and others could easily put together few hundred thousand soldiers with armor and air support to start operation against ISIS.

medo wrote:

higurashihougi wrote:

JohninMK wrote:
Perhaps these flights are the reason for the stepped up airport security.

ATHENS (Sputnik) — Greece denied on Sunday US request to close Athens airspace (FIR Athens) for the flights of Russian aircraft with humanitarian aid to Syria, a diplomatic source in Athens said.

"On Saturday, US embassy appealed to the Greek government with a request to prohibit the flights of Russian aircraft in the FIR Athens. The Greek government refused to do so, in order not to worsen relations with Russia," the source told RIA Novosti. According to the source, Moscow has requested and received Athens' permission to conduct flights to transport humanitarian aid to Syria in the period from September 1 to September 24.

Athens is yet to confirm the information.

Read more: http://sputniknews.com/europe/20150906/1026660464.html#ixzz3kzQWgqax

Sofia goverment is taking the toll for Athena, probably.

http://sputniknews.com/europe/20150908/1026732699.html

Bulgaria Denies Airspace to Russian Aid Flights to Syria

Bulgaria has denied its airspace to Russian aid flights to Syria, Reuters reports on Tuesday citing the Bulgarian foreign ministry's spokeswoman.

"The Bulgarian foreign ministry has refused flights over Bulgaria of Russian military transport planes en route to Syria," the spokeswoman told Reuters, adding that the decision was taken in the past few days.

According to the Greek Kathimerini newspaper, Bulgaria’s decision makes life easier for the Greek government, currently coming under pressure from Washington on the issue, as it makes the question of Russian aircraft traveling through Greek airspace redundant.

Russia have other option available. They could send as much ships as possible to evacuate Syrian army and Assad and than leave Syria to ISIS. Than will be Europe flooded with 20 million refugees only from Syria, not to count from other places. Let the EU take care for them or send them to US. It's not the Russian problem. After that Russia should with Shanghai alliance start operation to liberate Iraq and Syria from Iran. Russia, China, India, Iran, Iraq and others could easily put together few hundred thousand soldiers with armor and air support to start operation against ISIS.

Among other possibilities are a Hub In Tehran Offload huge quantities from the Caspian Sea to Rasht or Nowshar, tow them in Tehran, load Iranian cargos stright to Damascus through Karbala. Friendly Iraqi Government with open skies. This is just pushing Iran and Russia towards one another. Stupid.

KoTeMoRe wrote:

medo wrote:Russia have other option available. They could send as much ships as possible to evacuate Syrian army and Assad and than leave Syria to ISIS. Than will be Europe flooded with 20 million refugees only from Syria, not to count from other places. Let the EU take care for them or send them to US. It's not the Russian problem. After that Russia should with Shanghai alliance start operation to liberate Iraq and Syria from Iran. Russia, China, India, Iran, Iraq and others could easily put together few hundred thousand soldiers with armor and air support to start operation against ISIS.

Among other possibilities are a Hub In Tehran Offload huge quantities from the Caspian Sea to Rasht or Nowshar, tow them in Tehran, load Iranian cargos stright to Damascus through Karbala. Friendly Iraqi Government with open skies. This is just pushing Iran and Russia towards one another. Stupid.

Well, they did.

http://sputniknews.com/politics/20150909/1026777081.html

Plan B: Iran Opens Airspace to Russian Aid Flights to Syria

Iran has opened its airspace to Russian aircraft delivering humanitarian aid to Syria, the Russian Embassy in Tehran told RIA Novosti.

Iran has satisfied all of Russia's requests and opened the country's airspace for the delivery of humanitarian supplies to Syria, the Russian Embassy in the Islamic Republic told RIA Novosti.

"Several requests have been sent [to allow Russian aid flights to Syria via Iran's airspace] and the Iranian side approved all of them," the embassy's press attaché Maksim Suslov said.

He emphasized that it "concerns only the delivery of humanitarian aid."

Hollande Has ‘No Choice’ But to Support Assad in Fight Against ISIL

http://sputniknews.com/middleeast/20150909/1026795712.html#ixzz3lGtpSNVH

the only country that doesnt take action actively against ISIL is Turkey. I think this country is the problem

Pentagon Promises to 'Fix' US Program to Train Rebel Forces in Syria

Following a beleaguered and embarrassing start, and fresh reports that military officials had lost track of US-trained Syrian rebels, the Pentagon on Tuesday said it is looking to fix the $500 million program aimed at training and equipping "moderate" forces in the fight against the Islamic State.

"We're going to tweak the program, make adjustments as we go," Pentagon spokesman Peter Cook said of the plan to send rebels identified by Washington as being moderate into battle with Islamic State militants.

Despite initial struggles, including the fact that program leaders struggled to identify what "moderate" rebels they deemed appropriate to train — some experts stress there aren't any —Defense Secretary Ash Carter still believes the training program is the correct strategy, Cook added.

In July, 54 US-trained fighters that were sent into Syria to confront the Islamic State were quickly routed by the al-Qaeda-affiliated Nusra Front. Reports have surfaced that Turkish intelligence alerted Nusra to the operation, and that the "moderates'" weapons and equipment were captured.

Captain Chris Connolly, a spokesman for the US task force training the rebels, told the New York Times in an email:

"As with any difficult endeavor, we expected setbacks and successes, and we must be realistic with those expectations. We knew this mission was going to be difficult from the very beginning."

No decisions on possible fixes to the program have been made and proposals are still being discussed within the Pentagon, with meetings expected to take place this week, a senior defense official told the Associated Press.

On Tuesday, Cook told reporters that military officials were uncertain of the location of rebels who received US arms and training to fight IS under the multi-million dollar US program.

Retired four-star general and former head of US Central Command Air Forces Charles Wald told Sputnik that US Special Operations forces should be embedded with recruits to improve the train and equip program.

"The program needs to be more robust. We also need to have our own Special Ops guys on the ground, embedded with the troops there," General Wald said in response to the reports.

Wald added that "we need to try to accelerate more training and we have got to try to find more people that are capable" of countering Islamic State capabilities.

Initially, the Pentagon said the goal was to train 5,400 fighters in the first year. Despite recruiting far fewer than that, the Defense Department still struggles to keep track of the trainees and their activities, Cook said.

He added that officials are looking at adjusting the goal for total number of fighters in the program, but that no decisions have been made yet.

There are two more groups of moderate rebels – about 200 total – being trained right now at sites in Jordan and Turkey, with one of the classes anticipated to wrap up soon.

Congress allocated $500 million for the program. Officials said that, as of the end of May, nearly $42 million had been spent.

Read more: http://sputniknews.com/us/20150909/1026798389.html#ixzz3lImTBIiA