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Be-200 Multirole Amphibian
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hoom wrote:Oh so they're actually S&R version?Be-200PS modification can be distinguished from the Be-200ChS by the absence of water tank flaps
I had thought it odd to split purchase/operation between organisations but makes sense if its a S&R version.
What engine are they using?They need PD-8 engine
Did they have spare stock of the Ukrainian engine kicking around? I doubt the 404s would be allowing export of new ones (& I wouldn't trust the quality if they did).
There was a plan to sell SaM146 engined ones on Export & with a bunch of SSJs grounded there would certainly be spares of that around (though the reason for that grounding is reliability issues with SaM146...maybe less of an issue for this more specialised use-case?)
Some versions of the D436 engines were assembled by Salyut near Moscow, but possibly they were those for the An-148 while the engines for the Be-200 could need some modifications for amphibious operations...
Furthermore I do not know how many components were sourced from the Ukraine, but probably a considerable part.
I know that Russia managed to obtain full independence for the production of the AI-222 engine of the yak-130, initially developed by ivchenko-progress and mutually produced by Motor sich (Zaporozhe) and Salyut (Moscow region), but that is a much more recent engine and more important for Russian needs.
It is possible that Russia could get a full Russification of the production and supply chain for the D436 as well (and maybe they are already able to do produce the parts, while not in a serie), but the PD8 is much more important.
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The Be-200's have been quite busy in Turkey, I see...
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And now in Greece against wildfires
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hoom- Posts : 2352
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Them evil Ruskies and their malign aggressive emergency assistance 
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Hole- Posts : 11121
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Weaponizing forest fires! 
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Do the Be-200s have some kind of system for mixing in extinguishing agents during flight with the water they scoop up?
Because that would work a lot better, than just ordinary water
Because that would work a lot better, than just ordinary water
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Well, they are capable to mix the different agents, but no idea if it needs to be pre-installed or runs online 
I guess you can load some agent and just mix it with water loaded in
I guess you can load some agent and just mix it with water loaded in
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Be-200ChS on MAKS-2021
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Greece has asked Russia to provide a second Be-200 firefighting aircraft.
Greece has asked Russia to provide a second Be-200 aircraft to extinguish fires. Greek Foreign Minister Nikos Dendias wrote about this on Monday on his Twitter page.
"Today I had an extensive telephone conversation with my Russian counterpart Sergey Lavrov. Fighting fires was discussed, and it was suggested to consider the possibility of sending another Be-200 to provide assistance" – Dendias wrote.
The Russian Foreign Ministry has not yet reported on the conversation between the foreign ministers.
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Greece has asked Russia to provide a second Be-200 aircraft to extinguish fires. Greek Foreign Minister Nikos Dendias wrote about this on Monday on his Twitter page.
"Today I had an extensive telephone conversation with my Russian counterpart Sergey Lavrov. Fighting fires was discussed, and it was suggested to consider the possibility of sending another Be-200 to provide assistance" – Dendias wrote.
The Russian Foreign Ministry has not yet reported on the conversation between the foreign ministers.
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Russian_Patriot_ wrote:Greece has asked Russia to provide a second Be-200 firefighting aircraft.
Greece has asked Russia to provide a second Be-200 aircraft to extinguish fires. Greek Foreign Minister Nikos Dendias wrote about this on Monday on his Twitter page.
"Today I had an extensive telephone conversation with my Russian counterpart Sergey Lavrov. Fighting fires was discussed, and it was suggested to consider the possibility of sending another Be-200 to provide assistance" – Dendias wrote.
The Russian Foreign Ministry has not yet reported on the conversation between the foreign ministers.
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No charity for EU/NATO member states. Let them pay full price.
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Broski- Posts : 772
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Agreed, when's the last time the western world provided any free assistance to Russia for anything?calripson wrote:No charity for EU/NATO member states. Let them pay full price.
Besides, Russia has its own forest fires to deal with in the East.
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Someone should tell them that they can buy such planes. 
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Buying needs money 
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Have a fire sale?
The money spent on a dozen planes could save enormous amounts of money burned up by these fires.
Obviously a fire sale in this case means triple price rather than a price reduction, but there will be a demand so normal market economics apply.
Russia has been lending these planes to other countries for decades looking for sales... and nothing.
The money spent on a dozen planes could save enormous amounts of money burned up by these fires.
Obviously a fire sale in this case means triple price rather than a price reduction, but there will be a demand so normal market economics apply.
Russia has been lending these planes to other countries for decades looking for sales... and nothing.
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They get the money for lending them, obviously.
Russian_Patriot_- Posts : 1286
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Be-200 of the Russian Defense Ministry crashed in Turkey.
There were 5 Russians and 3 Turks on board. Everyone died.
Judging by the tail number "20 yellow", this is the Be-200, which entered the Russian Navy last summer.
There were 5 Russians and 3 Turks on board. Everyone died.
Judging by the tail number "20 yellow", this is the Be-200, which entered the Russian Navy last summer.
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That is absolutely terrible news! RIP
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Wonder what happened?
RIP.
RIP.
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RIP.
It was a dangerous flying close to ground with no visibility because of smoke in a mountainous area. I guess it's the reason of the crash.
It was a dangerous flying close to ground with no visibility because of smoke in a mountainous area. I guess it's the reason of the crash.
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Wouldn't terrain sensors prevent that?
From the ssj100 crash to the an-26, there seem to be quite a few instances of Russian pilots slamming into mountains.
From the ssj100 crash to the an-26, there seem to be quite a few instances of Russian pilots slamming into mountains.
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kvs- Posts : 15857
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Pilot education in atmospheric dynamics would be an essential start. Sensors should already exist but the pilots ignore them because
they are cocky about their flying skillz.
they are cocky about their flying skillz.
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medo- Posts : 4343
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Those forest fires are enormous and lasting for quite some time. Also Be-200 worked in very hot temperature. I read somewhere, that Canadairs could work to temperature up to +38oC, while Be-200 worked at +45oC. We do not know, how much flying hours in firefighting they have flown and howm much crew was tired. Concentration could be lower, smoke and hot air hide the picture behind.
Anyway, RIP to the crew. They saved many lifes.
Anyway, RIP to the crew. They saved many lifes.
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Stop using Russian military and Emercom planes and crews to fight fires abroad. Let private companies lease those planes and charge accordingly to fight fires in places like Turkey or Greece.
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To do firebombing in mountainous terrain you gotta completely ignore them.Wouldn't terrain sensors prevent that?
Its an inherently very dangerous activity.
This is allegedly the crash (actual crash not shown) https://twitter.com/RALee85/status/1426526256997224452, at least shows the kind of terrain they were working in.
Sarcasm about Western propaganda aside: this is what friendly neighbours do.Stop using Russian military and Emercom planes and crews to fight fires abroad. Let private companies lease those planes and charge accordingly to fight fires in places like Turkey or Greece.
The politicians & media will keep doing their BS but the locals will remember that Russia helped them when it was needed.
edit: Apparently was on lease.