And it has been in repairs an absurd number of times. Went up to the North recently for repairs. Came down, and somehow is back in repairs already.
+78
lancelot
andalusia
Mir
ALAMO
Rasisuki Nebia
Podlodka77
Krepost
Arrow
Broski
Backman
Russian_Patriot_
RTN
flamming_python
gbu48098
The_Observer
TMA1
LMFS
AMCXXL
dino00
jhelb
Rodion_Romanovic
owais.usmani
wilhelm
walle83
runaway
chinggis
Tsavo Lion
verkhoturye51
zardof
Hole
BM-21
hoom
miroslav
rambo54
Rowdyhorse4
T-47
SeigSoloyvov
Kimppis
AlfaT8
marat
PapaDragon
JohninMK
George1
Benya
KiloGolf
JohnSnow
Ned86
Dima
Backinblack
franco
Mindstorm
ult
Isos
calripson
artjomh
Rmf
Book.
GunshipDemocracy
max steel
victor1985
kvs
coolieno99
Big_Gazza
KomissarBojanchev
GarryB
magnumcromagnon
Werewolf
navyfield
Mike E
zg18
Cyberspec
TheArmenian
TR1
Austin
Stealthflanker
Russian Patriot
Viktor
Admin
82 posters
Project 877/636: Kilo class SSK
TR1- Posts : 5435
Points : 5433
Join date : 2011-12-06
- Post n°76
Re: Project 877/636: Kilo class SSK
No, Alrosa is piered dockside in repairs right now. That pic is old.
And it has been in repairs an absurd number of times. Went up to the North recently for repairs. Came down, and somehow is back in repairs already.
And it has been in repairs an absurd number of times. Went up to the North recently for repairs. Came down, and somehow is back in repairs already.
GarryB- Posts : 40489
Points : 40989
Join date : 2010-03-30
Location : New Zealand
- Post n°77
Re: Project 877/636: Kilo class SSK
Pump jets are high maintainence.... but with it being the only pumpjet Kilo then they might include regular inspections too just to check on wear and tear for future pump jet designs.
George1- Posts : 18510
Points : 19013
Join date : 2011-12-22
Location : Greece
- Post n°78
Re: Project 877/636: Kilo class SSK
4th Submarine “Varshavyanka” to Be Launched in April
TR1- Posts : 5435
Points : 5433
Join date : 2011-12-06
- Post n°79
Re: Project 877/636: Kilo class SSK
GarryB wrote:Pump jets are high maintainence.... but with it being the only pumpjet Kilo then they might include regular inspections too just to check on wear and tear for future pump jet designs.
Not just pump jet: http://www.wrk.ru/forums/attachment.php?item=425942&download=2&type=.jpg
Recent pic. IDK what is going on, but Alrosa sure needs many doctors visits....
GarryB- Posts : 40489
Points : 40989
Join date : 2010-03-30
Location : New Zealand
- Post n°80
Re: Project 877/636: Kilo class SSK
They might be using it as a test vessel for other new technologies, which would require regular visits to specialists and more visits to test things are OK etc.
Stealthflanker- Posts : 1459
Points : 1535
Join date : 2009-08-04
Age : 36
Location : Indonesia
- Post n°81
Re: Project 877/636: Kilo class SSK
So how many kilo components are made in Ukraine ?
Got weird news (In Indonesian) from RBTH (Russia Beyond The Headlines) That over 70% parts of kilo are Ukraine made.
Got weird news (In Indonesian) from RBTH (Russia Beyond The Headlines) That over 70% parts of kilo are Ukraine made.
kvs- Posts : 15840
Points : 15975
Join date : 2014-09-10
Location : Turdope's Kanada
- Post n°82
Re: Project 877/636: Kilo class SSK
Stealthflanker wrote:So how many kilo components are made in Ukraine ?
Got weird news (In Indonesian) from RBTH (Russia Beyond The Headlines) That over 70% parts of kilo are Ukraine made.
That information is bizarre. It is physically impossible for 70% to be made in Ukraine since the submarines were never manufactured
there and they are built by the same plant that made them in the past (but with upgraded manufacturing equipment). There is
also nothing pertaining to the electronics and other equipment (e.g. sonar) that would have such a fraction of Ukrainian equipment.
http://news.rin.ru/eng/news/54366/
Looks like they have sourced all of the Ukrainian components from elsewhere.
GarryB- Posts : 40489
Points : 40989
Join date : 2010-03-30
Location : New Zealand
- Post n°83
Re: Project 877/636: Kilo class SSK
Sounds like they sourced their information from the west or the Ukraine....
TheArmenian- Posts : 1880
Points : 2025
Join date : 2011-09-14
- Post n°84
Re: Project 877/636: Kilo class SSK
Kilos are 100% Russian these days.
The few Ukraine-made components were recently substituted to domestic ones.
There was a recent article about that, can't find it now.
The few Ukraine-made components were recently substituted to domestic ones.
There was a recent article about that, can't find it now.
George1- Posts : 18510
Points : 19013
Join date : 2011-12-22
Location : Greece
- Post n°85
Re: Project 877/636: Kilo class SSK
The third in series Project 636.3 submarines for Black Sea Fleet - "Stary Oskol" - started factory sea trials
George1- Posts : 18510
Points : 19013
Join date : 2011-12-22
Location : Greece
- Post n°86
Re: Project 877/636: Kilo class SSK
Submarine B-227 "Vyborg" back in the ranks of the Baltic Fleet
http://bmpd.livejournal.com/1260256.html
I cant understand why a ship is docked for modernization for 7 years and when it comes out it will serve only for 2-2,5 years. Whats the point?
According to the newspaper "The Guardian of the Baltic" submarine B-227 "Vyborg" [Project 877] relocated from Kronstadt to the Baltic and take up the challenge of combat training.
Submarine "Vyborg" was in need of repair since 2007. However, the limited amount of financing state armaments program did not allow the Defense Ministry to begin funding the work on submarines before 2011.
In 2011, the Kronstadt Naval plant started to work on a submarine "Vyborg". May 15, 2013 the submarine was launched from the dock "Memory 3 destroyers" and moored at the quay of the plant for outfitting works.
Next mooring trials - from January to July 2014. Factory sea trials the submarine was launched in August 2014. After the address the identified observations in September 2014 the ship out to sea. Commissioning team and the crew of the submarine is fully completed the program and passed factory tests Navy.
On Friday, October 24, 2014, on the pier in the harbor of Kronstadt Merchant solemn ceremony of signing the Act of Handover diesel-electric submarine "Vyborg" Navy Russia.
The service life of the submarine, built in 1983, was extended until the end of 2017.
Submarine B-227 was built for the Soviet Navy in 1982 in Komsomolsk-on-Amur. In 1985 he was transferred to the Baltic.
http://bmpd.livejournal.com/1260256.html
I cant understand why a ship is docked for modernization for 7 years and when it comes out it will serve only for 2-2,5 years. Whats the point?
TR1- Posts : 5435
Points : 5433
Join date : 2011-12-06
- Post n°87
Re: Project 877/636: Kilo class SSK
George1 wrote:Submarine B-227 "Vyborg" back in the ranks of the Baltic Fleet
According to the newspaper "The Guardian of the Baltic" submarine B-227 "Vyborg" [Project 877] relocated from Kronstadt to the Baltic and take up the challenge of combat training.
Submarine "Vyborg" was in need of repair since 2007. However, the limited amount of financing state armaments program did not allow the Defense Ministry to begin funding the work on submarines before 2011.
In 2011, the Kronstadt Naval plant started to work on a submarine "Vyborg". May 15, 2013 the submarine was launched from the dock "Memory 3 destroyers" and moored at the quay of the plant for outfitting works.
Next mooring trials - from January to July 2014. Factory sea trials the submarine was launched in August 2014. After the address the identified observations in September 2014 the ship out to sea. Commissioning team and the crew of the submarine is fully completed the program and passed factory tests Navy.
On Friday, October 24, 2014, on the pier in the harbor of Kronstadt Merchant solemn ceremony of signing the Act of Handover diesel-electric submarine "Vyborg" Navy Russia.
The service life of the submarine, built in 1983, was extended until the end of 2017.
Submarine B-227 was built for the Soviet Navy in 1982 in Komsomolsk-on-Amur. In 1985 he was transferred to the Baltic.
http://bmpd.livejournal.com/1260256.html
I cant understand why a ship is docked for modernization for 7 years and when it comes out it will serve only for 2-2,5 years. Whats the point?
Simple. No funds to repair it back then.
Now they finally repaired it, and it can serve out the rest of its life until replaced by something more modern.
If the ship has life it can get another dock-repair in 2017 and serve for another 2-3 years after.
Viktor- Posts : 5796
Points : 6429
Join date : 2009-08-25
Age : 44
Location : Croatia
- Post n°88
Re: Project 877/636: Kilo class SSK
15 more days
Fourth "Varshavyanka" for the Black Sea Fleet was launched on April 25
Fourth "Varshavyanka" for the Black Sea Fleet was launched on April 25
victor1985- Posts : 632
Points : 659
Join date : 2015-01-02
- Post n°89
Re: Project 877/636: Kilo class SSK
A submarine or ship can carry enough equipment to burn enemy radar from 1000 km
George1- Posts : 18510
Points : 19013
Join date : 2011-12-22
Location : Greece
- Post n°90
Re: Project 877/636: Kilo class SSK
Submarine "Rostov-on-Don" came to the Northern Fleet for final tests
Viktor- Posts : 5796
Points : 6429
Join date : 2009-08-25
Age : 44
Location : Croatia
- Post n°91
Re: Project 877/636: Kilo class SSK
And its a go !
Fourth submarine project "Varshavyanka" was launched in St. Petersburg
Fourth submarine project "Varshavyanka" was launched in St. Petersburg
zg18- Posts : 888
Points : 958
Join date : 2013-09-26
Location : Zagreb , Croatia
- Post n°92
Re: Project 877/636: Kilo class SSK
Viktor wrote:And its a go !
Fourth submarine project "Varshavyanka" was launched in St. Petersburg
And video
max steel- Posts : 2930
Points : 2955
Join date : 2015-02-12
Location : South Pole
- Post n°93
Re: Project 877/636: Kilo class SSK
I know little about military affairs but a naval man with whom I got briefly acquainted once told me the US went seriously wrong when it went for an all-nuclear submarine force. Conventional submarines are inherently much quieter and stealthier than nuclear submarines and they are now solving the problems of endurance that worked against them before. The Kilo class (which is what these submarines are) were a revolution when they first appeared in the 1980s and they have got progressively better. The coming generation of submarines that use a closed cycle system are going to be better still.
GarryB- Posts : 40489
Points : 40989
Join date : 2010-03-30
Location : New Zealand
- Post n°94
Re: Project 877/636: Kilo class SSK
Conventional subs are also dramatically cheaper.
With AIP and Lithium Ion batteries the only thing a conventional diesel electric sub will lack in the near future compared with a nuke is the high top speed.
they are easier to sell on the international market and are perfectly adequate in shallow waters where big nuke subs lack manouver capability.
With AIP and Lithium Ion batteries the only thing a conventional diesel electric sub will lack in the near future compared with a nuke is the high top speed.
they are easier to sell on the international market and are perfectly adequate in shallow waters where big nuke subs lack manouver capability.
TR1- Posts : 5435
Points : 5433
Join date : 2011-12-06
- Post n°95
Re: Project 877/636: Kilo class SSK
Viktor wrote:And its a go !
Fourth submarine project "Varshavyanka" was launched in St. Petersburg
Actually proper construction rates.
The series so far, time from being laid down to launch:
B-261 - 39 months
B-237 - 31 months
B-262 - 24 months
B-265 - 14 months
GarryB- Posts : 40489
Points : 40989
Join date : 2010-03-30
Location : New Zealand
- Post n°96
Re: Project 877/636: Kilo class SSK
Actually proper construction rates.
The series so far, time from being laid down to launch:
B-261 - 39 months
B-237 - 31 months
B-262 - 24 months
B-265 - 14 months
So what you are saying is that production of the first vessel is not necessarily an indication of how long later vessels will take unless there are some fundamental design changes needed for the second or later boats?
TR1- Posts : 5435
Points : 5433
Join date : 2011-12-06
- Post n°97
Re: Project 877/636: Kilo class SSK
GarryB wrote:Actually proper construction rates.
The series so far, time from being laid down to launch:
B-261 - 39 months
B-237 - 31 months
B-262 - 24 months
B-265 - 14 months
So what you are saying is that production of the first vessel is not necessarily an indication of how long later vessels will take unless there are some fundamental design changes needed for the second or later boats?
As long as we are talking about something as well mastered by the industry as the Kilo, sure.
Hoping for the same magic with larger nuclear boats, well........
TheArmenian- Posts : 1880
Points : 2025
Join date : 2011-09-14
- Post n°98
Re: Project 877/636: Kilo class SSK
TR1 wrote:GarryB wrote:Actually proper construction rates.
The series so far, time from being laid down to launch:
B-261 - 39 months
B-237 - 31 months
B-262 - 24 months
B-265 - 14 months
So what you are saying is that production of the first vessel is not necessarily an indication of how long later vessels will take unless there are some fundamental design changes needed for the second or later boats?
As long as we are talking about something as well mastered by the industry as the Kilo, sure.
Hoping for the same magic with larger nuclear boats, well........
Yeah, yeah. We know your style: you always stay conservative, safe and somewhat pessimistic about construction rates. If delays and slowness happens, then you say "I told you so" if things go faster, you say "I am pleased with what I see".
TR1- Posts : 5435
Points : 5433
Join date : 2011-12-06
- Post n°99
Re: Project 877/636: Kilo class SSK
I never doubted Admiralty's ability to make Kilos quickly.
TheArmenian- Posts : 1880
Points : 2025
Join date : 2011-09-14
- Post n°100
Re: Project 877/636: Kilo class SSK
TR1 wrote:I never doubted Admiralty's ability to make Kilos quickly.
That is a vey diplomatic statement TR1. I am impressed.
Hey, you can use the exact same words/sentence about Sevmash in 2020, just in case they actually finish the boats they are supposed to finish