S-400 SAM for India

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India was going to buy from Russia 12 systems S-400

Moscow. July 11th. INTERFAX.RU - India would like to purchase from Russia 12 anti-aircraft missile systems S-400 "Triumph". This is stated on the official stand of the program Make in India ( "Made in India"), the international industrial exhibition "Innoprom" in Yekaterinburg.

According to information at the booth, India plans to lease two nuclear submarine "Akula-2" with the ability to purchase them after the completion of the lease term.

It is reported that India has ordered four Russian long-range bomber Tu-22M3 bombers, 80 helicopters Mi-17, and IL-6, 76, which are suitable for the Israeli radar "Falcon".

The submission states that the initiative "Made in India" on the territory of the country is planned to produce more than 1 thousand. T-90S tanks and 200 Ka-226.

The stand is informed about the project at $ 900 million for the modernization of MiG-29 aircraft.

In addition, it is reported that India and Russia are cooperating on the supersonic anti-ship cruise missile "BrahMos", the fifth-generation fighter, the Su-30MKI program and tactical transport aircraft "IL"

wow 12 S 400 system is big thing and some TU22 M3 Bombers

Russia plans to sign a delivery contract for the S-400 missile system with India before the end of 2016, the head of Russia's Federal Service for Military-Technical Cooperation (FSMTC) said Thursday.

YEREVAN (Sputnik) — He denied rumors that the contract would be signed at the October 15-16 BRICS summit in Goa, noting that the remaining issues with it "have not yet been fully resolved." "We would like to hope for it before the end of 2016," FSMTC Director Alexander Fomin told RIA Novosti at the ArmHitec-2016 arms and defense technologies exhibition in Armenia.

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MOSCOW, October 13. /TASS/. Russia will sign an agreement with India on October 15 on the delivery of S-400 Triumf antiaircraft missile systems, Russian presidential aide Yuri Ushakov said on Thursday.

"Following the results of the negotiations between our president and [Indian Prime Minister Narendra] Modi, an agreement will be signed on the delivery of S-400 Triumf antiaircraft missile systems to India, as well as some other documents," he said.

"Part of the documents will be signed behind closed doors," he said.

The Kremlin aide declined to comment on the details of the deal, suggesting that first the document should be signed.

Long Live India Russia Friendship

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Russia and India will sign a contract on delivering S-400 air defense systems during Vladimir Putin's visit.

MOSCOW (Sputnik) — Moscow and New Delhi will sign an agreement on the supply of S-400 air defense systems after Russian President Vladimir Putin's talks with Indian Prime Minister Narendra Modi, Russian residential aide Yuri Ushakov said Thursday.

"An agreement for the supply to India of S-400 Triumf anti-aircraft missile systems and other documents will be signed after talks in the presence of our president and Modi," Ushakov told reporters. Putin is expected in India for the VIII BRICS summit in Goa on October 15-16.

Most of the SAM systems with India are old and now this system will vastly secure indian air space.

Highlights

India to buy 5 missiles priced at one billion dollars each
Most advanced surface-to-air missile system
Can intercept incoming aircraft and missiles at range of 400 kms

The development comes as Russia hopes to stave off tough competition from the Americans and the Europeans to continue being India's foremost defence supplier.


India Friday announced that it will buy the S-400 Triumf air defence systems from Russia, worth over $5 billion, and collaborate in making four state of art frigates besides setting up a joint production facility for making Kamov helicopters.



The deals were announced following talks held between Prime Minister Narendra Modi and Russian President Vladimir Putin on the sidelines of the BRICS Summit being held here.

The development comes as Russia hopes to stave off tough competition from the Americans and the Europeans to continue being India’s foremost defence supplier. The most strategically important decision is the Inter Governmental Agreement for the purchase of S-400 ‘Triumf’ long-range air defence missile system which has the capability to destroy incoming hostile aircraft, missiles and even drones at ranges of up to 400 km.

India and Russia have been in talks for over a year for the purchase of at least five systems of S-400 that will be a game changer in the region. It is capable of firing three types of missiles, creating a layered defence, and simultaneously engaging 36 targets. If India signs the deal, it would be the second customer of the prized missile system after China which had struck a USD 3 billion contract last year.

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Delivery of Russia’s most advanced anti-aircraft defense system, the S-400 Triumph, to India could begin in 2020 according to an agreement signed by Indian Prime Minister Narendra Modi and Russian President Vladimir Putin at the BRICS summit in India.

“An intergovernmental agreement has been signed today, under which the Russian side has undertaken to deliver S-400 [to India],” head of the Russian state-owned defense and technology giant Rostec Sergey Chemezov told reporters on the sidelines of the BRICS summit on Saturday.

“We will then start preparing the contracts and I hope that in the first half of 2017 we will complete and sign these contracts and the production will start. I believe the delivery will begin somewhere in 2020,” he added.

Russia’s Deputy Prime Minister Dmitry Rogozin said the agreement on S-400 delivery is highly important as it shows Russia’s willingness to strengthen strategic partnerships with its main allies.

“S-400 it is our newest system. We are currently equipping our own military forces with it and we are making an exception only for our closest allies, such as India and China.

“The fact that we have reached agreements with both India and China [regarding S-400 delivery] shows a lot. It shows that Russia exports its most advanced technologies to the countries it trusts, with which it is building strategic partnerships,” he stressed, mentioning Russia’s agreement on S-400 exports with China, the first foreign buyer of the system. That deal was announced in the spring of 2015. According to media reports, the transaction amounted to about $3 billion.

“S-400 [is] a real leader, a global brand that left behind even the Americans,” he added.

The S-400 is the most advanced anti-aircraft defense system in Russia, and is unparalleled in the world. Manufactured by Russian producer Almaz Antey under a contract with the Russian Defense Ministry and introduced into service in 2007, the cutting-edge S-400 system consists of a set of radars, missile launchers and command posts. It is designed to ensure air defense using long- and medium-range missiles that can hit both land and aerial targets, including tactical and strategic aircraft as well as ballistic and cruise missiles, at ranges up to 400km (248 miles).

In August this year, the S-400 was delivered to a surface-to-air missile (SAM) regiment in Crimea. The Defense Ministry had previously announced that 16 regiments of the Russian Army would be equipped with S-400s by the end of the year. In 2015, the hardware was also deployed to Russia’s Arctic region and in Syria to the Russian Air Force base in Latakia.

India has been a traditional buyer of Russian arms since the 1950s. Over the last five years, about 70 percent of the country’s military purchases have come from Russia.

According to Rogozin, Russia retains the top spot in the Indian market of arms and military equipment.

“To date we are the main suppliers of arms and military equipment to the Indian market,” said Rogozin in Goa.


https://www.rt.com/news/362880-india-russia-missile-shipment/

Thats 5 system or 5 regiment of S-400 for USD $5 billion

NEW DELHI: The defence ministry may forego the offset clause to speed up deliveries of a Russian air defence system designed to deter Pakistani fighters and provide a missile shield for major cities, said people with knowledge of the matter.

India and Russia will start final negotiations on the S 400 air defence system next month with the deal value pegged at Rs 39,000 crore. The offset clause, which fits in with the Make in India programme, mandates foreign companies to invest at least 30 per cent of the contract value in the Indian aerospace and defence sectors.

The S 400 is an advanced air defence system that has already been ordered by China, which is likely to get its first deliveries later this year. India and Russia began talks after the government accepted an air force proposal to purchase five firing units of the system to protect both the northern and eastern borders.

A top Russian official told ET that offsets could delay deliveries by as much as two years.

"As far as I have heard, there is no offset package for the programme. It is a strategic project and is very important for the two countries," said Viktor N Kladov, director of international cooperation at Rostec, the Russian state-owned company that controls sales of the S 400 system. "It should not be played around with some offset packages."

He said Russia would comply if India insisted on an offset package. But, he said, "It may delay delivery by one-two years and that is why a deal with no offsets package is the best choice."


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According to analysts, the offset clause typically adds 10-15 per cent to the value of a contract on account of the domestic investment required. Also, the non-compliance rate is very high as companies find it difficult to discharge the offset within the rules.

Sources have told ET that while the defence ministry has approved the purchase of five firing units of the S 400 system for an estimated Rs.39,000 crore, two may be ordered in the initial phase. This could be increased based on performance, they said.

If the contract is signed within a year, deliveries could start by 2019-20.

"One year for the contract plus another two years for delivery. That will be the timeframe," Kladov said. "The Indian side invited us for negotiations in March. So, if we start negotiations in March, it will take another year to prepare for the contract.

I do hope it will happen this year or maybe first half of next year."

China will likely get the system this year itself after signing up to be the first export customer. Designed to counter a variety of threats from hypersonic cruise missiles to unmanned aerial vehicles (UAVs), airborne early warning aircraft, stealth fighters and even precision-guided munitions, the S 400 is the latest in a range of air defence systems that have posed a formidable threat to western aircraft across ..

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"We are discussing the technical issues of the deliveries," the head of Russia’s weapons exporter Rosoboronexport said

LE BOURGET: Russia’s weapons exporter Rosoboronexport expects to sign a contract with India soon on the delivery of S-400 Triumf air defense missile systems, Rosoboronexport Head Alexander Mikheyev said at the Le Bourget international aerospace show on Wednesday.

"Rosoboronexport is carrying out pre-contractual work with Indian partners. We are discussing the technical issues of the deliveries. I can assure you that both our company and the Indian side are set to sign the contract soon," the chief executive told journalists.

An agreement on the delivery of S-400 antiaircraft missile systems to India was signed by the Russian and Indian governments in October 2016.

The Rosoboronexport chief also said that the deliveries of S-400 surface-to-air missile systems to China would begin in compliance with the schedule.

"The S-400 Triumf long-range air defense missile systems will be delivered to China in strict compliance with the contract concluded between Rosoboronexport and the Chinese side. There are no causes to doubt the timely and qualitative fulfilment of the accords," the company’s head said.

The S-400 Triumf is the most advanced long-range antiaircraft missile system that went into service in Russia in 2007. It is designed to destroy aircraft, cruise and ballistic missiles, including medium-range missiles, and can also be used against ground objectives.

The S-400 can engage targets at a distance of 400 km and at an altitude of up to 30 km.

Russian Aerospace Force Commander-in-Chief Viktor Gumyonny said in April that the troops started to receive missiles for S-400 systems capable of destroying targets in outer space.

http://www.indiandefensenews.in/2017/06/russia-to-sign-contract-with-india-on-s.html

https://sputniknews.com/military/201707051055236423-russia-india-s-400-contract/

http://www.thehindu.com/news/national/s-400-deal-may-be-finalised-by-march-31/article23162879.ece

India and Russia could be just weeks away from signing one of the biggest defence deals between the two sides in recent history, said two senior defence sources this week.

The contract negotiations for the purchase of the S-400 Triumf long range air defence systems are in the final stages, and are expected to be closed by March 31.

India is planning to buy five systems that is expected to cost about ₹39,000 crore and is considered one of the most potent Surface to Air missile systems in the world. It can track and shoot down a range of incoming airborne targets at ranges of upto 400km.

“We expect to conclude the S-400 contract within this financial year,” a defence source said.

In 2016, the two countries had concluded the Inter-Governmental Agreements for five S-400 systems and four stealth frigates after which the contract negotiations began to conclude a commercial contract.

Another defence official said they expect to wind up the cost negotiations within the next 10 days.

Officials termed the negotiations as “very complex” as there were thousands of pages of documentation to be discussed. Russia has already conveyed to India that the deal should not have any offset clause as it is a strategic system.

For India, deploying the S-400 means that Pakistani aircraft can be tracked even when they are flying in their airspace. This will significantly beef up India’s alert levels in securing the country’s air space. The systems will be operated by the Indian Air Force (IAF).

China which has signed a $3 billion deal for six S-400 systems in 2014 has begun taking delivery of them. In December 2017, Turkey signed an agreement for two systems.

https://sputniknews.com/military/201803161062600094-iaf-wants-russian-defense-system/


The Indian Air Force desires to induct five firing units of the S-400 long-range surface-to-air missile system by the year 2022. If the proposed deal with Russia is finalized, it would be one of the biggest arms contracts India has ever had with Russia.

New Delhi (Sputnik) — The Indian Air Force (IAF) has told the parliamentary panel on defense that the procurement of the S-400 air defense system developed by Russia holds prime importance in its efforts to tackle possible threats from China and Pakistan.

"Requirement of fighter aircraft is our first priority. Next is the long-range SAM S-400 system for which we have bet. That would substantially change our posture both towards northern adversary as well as towards western adversary," reads the statement put forth by the IAF before the Parliamentary panel for defense.

The parliamentary panel, on its part, has recommended that funds towards the procurement of S-400 systems be made during the year as per the demand by the IAF.

India and Russia have been working on the final commercial contract since October 2016, when the two sides concluded an intergovernmental agreement for the procurement of five S-400 systems and four stealth frigates by India.


Russia's Rostec CEO Allows for Possibility of Selling S-400 Air Defense Systems to US
Defense sources told Sputnik that negotiations are at the final stage now and the commercial contract is expected to be signed sometime soon. There are speculations that the Moscow visit by Defense Minister Nirmala Sitharaman later this month could see the deal finally coming through.

The S-400 systems are capable of intercepting and destroying airborne threats at a distance of up to 250 miles and can simultaneously engage up to six targets. Each S-400 comprises tracking and search radar systems, eight launchers, 112 guided missiles, and command and support vehicles.

China was the first global customer of the S-400. The world's most potent air defense system was delivered by Moscow to Beijing last year. Russia is also expected to begin implementing the contract on the delivery of S-400 systems to Turkey in early 2020.

Meanwhile, apart from the attempt to conclude the impending S-400 air defense system deal, Sitharaman is also expecting to move forward the discussions on the proposed bilateral collaboration on the development of a fifth generation fighter aircraft (FGFA).

NEW DELHI: India is likely to seal a nearly Rs. 40,000 crore deal to procure S-400 Triumf air defence missile systems from Russia before top leaders of the two countries hold an annual summit around October, official sources said.

Negotiations for the deal are nearing completion and differences over price and other peripheral issues were almost bridged, they said.

Sources told PTI that both Russia and India were eyeing inking of the contract before summit talks between Prime Minister Narendra Modi and Russian President Vladimir Putin which may take place either in September or October in India.


India, Russia Likely To Ink S-400 Triumf Deal Before PM Modi-Putin Summit
Negotiations for the deal are nearing completion and differences over price and other peripheral issues were almost bridged.
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PM Narendra Modi and Vladimir Putin may meet in September or October in India

NEW DELHI: India is likely to seal a nearly Rs. 40,000 crore deal to procure S-400 Triumf air defence missile systems from Russia before top leaders of the two countries hold an annual summit around October, official sources said.

Negotiations for the deal are nearing completion and differences over price and other peripheral issues were almost bridged, they said.

Sources told PTI that both Russia and India were eyeing inking of the contract before summit talks between Prime Minister Narendra Modi and Russian President Vladimir Putin which may take place either in September or October in India.

They said India was confident of finalizing the mega deal with Moscow notwithstanding provisions of a US law that seeks to punish Russia for its alleged meddling in the American presidential election in 2016.

Countering America's Adversaries Through Sanctions Act (CAATSA), which came into effect in January this year, mandates the Donald Trump administration to punish entities engaging in significant transaction with the defence or intelligence establishment of Russia.

US Defence Secretary Jim Mattis last week appealed to the Congress to urgently provide India the national security waiver, saying imposing sanctions under CAATSA for the S-400 air defence missile deal would only hit the US.


India wants to procure the long-range missile systems to tighten its air defence mechanism, particularly along the nearly 4,000 km Sino-India border.

In 2016, India and Russia had signed an agreement on the 'Triumf' interceptor-based missile system which can destroy incoming hostile aircraft, missiles and even drones at ranges of up to 400 km. S-400 is known as Russia's most advanced long-range surface-to-air missile defence system.

China was the first foreign buyer to seal a government-to-government deal with Russia in 2014 to procure the lethal missile system and Moscow has already started delivery of unknown number of the S-400 missile systems to China.

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COMMENTSNegotiators from India have been in talks with their Russian counterparts for over one and half years for the purchase of at least five systems of S-400 which are capable of firing three types of missiles.

The S-400 is an upgraded version of the S-300 systems. The missile system is manufactured by Almaz-Antey and has been in service in Russia since 2007.

https://www.ndtv.com/india-news/india-russia-likely-to-ink-s-400-triumf-deal-before-prime-minister-narendra-modi-vladimir-putin-summ-1844999

India is likely to ink Rs 40,000 crore contract with Russia for five S-400 Triumf air defence missile systems before summit-level talks between President Vladimir Putin and Prime Minister Narendra Modi in October.

The air defence missile systems can detect and destroy hostile targets, including aircraft, missiles and drones at a range of more than 400 kms and flying at an altitude of more than 35 kms.

China has already started the process of induction of this Russian-built system. Beijing had signed a Government-to-Government deal for six S-400 missile systems in 2014. If the Indian contract comes through, the delivery of the systems will begin within 54 months from the date of signing, sources said here on Monday.

Price negotiations between India and Russia were in the final stages, said sources, adding the proposed deal had figured during Defence Minister Nirmala Sitharaman’s talks with her Russian counterpart during her visit to Moscow last month.

The two countries had signed an agreement in principle for the S-400 Triumf deal in 2016. Since then, negotiations were on between the official delegations of two defence ministries.

The S-400 is an upgraded version of the S-300 systems. The missile system is manufactured by Almaz-Antey and is in service in Russia since 2007. China was the first foreign country to opt for this advanced air defence system and signed a contract for six such systems worth over three billion dollars. Turkey has also shown interest in the Russian missile system.

The S-400 surface-to-air missile system comprises associated battle management system of command post and launchers, acquisition and engagement radars besides all terrain transporter-erector-launcher vehicles.

The Triumf system can fire three types of missiles and will enhance the air defence capabilities of India on the western border facing Pakistan and northern border with China.

The missile air defence system can also detect and destroy incoming medium range ballistic missiles. The Defence Acquisition Council (DAC) had given the approval for procurement of this air defence system in 2015. Putin-Modi summit in Goa in October 2016 gave the nod for a Government-to-Government deal for it.

Equipped with long range radars to track 100 to 300 targets simultaneously, the S-400 has various kinds of supersonic and hypersonic missiles to intercept the hostile missiles or aircraft or drones at different ranges.

The proposed deal is likely to be inked amidst reports of a US law that seeks to punish Russia for its alleged meddling in the American presidential election in 2016.

Countering America’s Adversaries Through Sanctions Act (CAATSA), which came into effect in January this year, mandates the Donald Trump administration to punish entities engaging in significant transaction with the defence or intelligence establishment of Russia.

US Defence Secretary Jim Mattis last week appealed to the Congress to urgently provide India the national security waiver, saying imposing sanctions under CAATSA for the S-400 air defence missile deal would only hit the US.

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New Delhi, May 27

India has concluded price negotiations with Russia for a nearly Rs 40,000 crore deal to procure S-400 Triumf air defence missile systems for the Indian Air Force, officials said.

"The negotiations for the missile deal have been concluded. The financial component has been finalised," a top official involved in the negotiations for the deal with Russia told PTI.

The official said both Russia and India are likely to announce the deal before an annual summit between Prime Minister Narendra Modi and Russian President Vladimir Putin in October.

Two other officials said both sides are now looking at ways to insulate the deal from the sanctions announced by the US against Russia under its Countering America's Adversaries Through Sanctions Act (CAATSA)—a law that came into effect in January, and seeks to punish countries and entities engaged in transactions with the defence or intelligence establishment of Russia.

The issue is understood to have figured during Modi's informal talks with Putin in Sochi last week.

There has been mounting concerns in India over the US sanctions against Russian defence majors including Rosoboronexport as billions of dollars of military purchases may be impacted because of the punitive measure.

The US had announced sanctions against Russia under the stringent law for its alleged meddling in the American presidential election in 2016.

US Defence Secretary Jim Mattis last month appealed to the Congress to urgently provide India the national security waiver, saying imposing sanctions under CAATSA for the S-400 air defence missile deal would only hit the US.

India wants to procure the long-range missile systems to tighten its air defence mechanism, particularly along the nearly 4,000-km-long Sino-India border.

In 2016, India and Russia had signed an agreement on the 'Triumf' interceptor-based missile system which can destroy incoming hostile aircraft, missiles and even drones at ranges of up to 400 km. S-400 is known as Russia's most advanced long-range surface-to-air missile defence system.

China was the first foreign buyer to seal a government-to-government deal with Russia in 2014 to procure the lethal missile system and Moscow has already started delivery of unknown number of the S-400 missile systems to Beijing.

The S-400 is an upgraded version of the S-300 systems. The missile system, manufactured by Almaz-Antey, has been in service in Russia since 2007. PTI

http://www.tribuneindia.com/news/world/india-russia-conclude-negotiations-for-s-400-triumf-deal/595795.html

Pinto wrote:New Delhi, May 27

India has concluded price negotiations with Russia for a nearly Rs 40,000 crore deal to procure S-400 Triumf air defence missile systems for the Indian Air Force, officials said.

and how much this is in ₽, $ or € ?

BTW nay news about MiG-35?

GunshipDemocracy wrote:

Pinto wrote:New Delhi, May 27

India has concluded price negotiations with Russia for a nearly Rs 40,000 crore deal to procure S-400 Triumf air defence missile systems for the Indian Air Force, officials said.

and how much this is in ₽, $ or € ?

BTW nay news about MiG-35?

Indian Rs6800 Crores = 1B US $ so this 40k crores means around 6B US $

Lots of exciting changes in going to happen while trump at helm in US. Modi-Putin sudden meeting was not without a cause

https://www.ndtv.com/india-news/s-400-missile-deal-us-may-block-sale-of-predator-drones-as-india-is-buying-arms-from-russia-1858958

NEW DELHI: India has very clearly conveyed to the US that the "time-tested" India-Russian cooperation in the defence sector will continue, including the deal for S-400 Triumf air defence missile systems for the IAF, notwithstanding the American sanctions against Moscow.

Sources said India wants its defence transactions with Russia to be insulated from the purview of stringent American law CAATSA and is likely to raise the issue with the US when the two sides meet in Washington for the 2+2 talks next month.

"In all our engagements with the US, we have clearly explained how India and Russia's defence cooperation has been going on for a long time and that it is a time-tested relationship. We have mentioned that CAATSA cannot impact the India-Russia defence cooperation," defence minister Nirmala Sitharaman said at a press conference.
She said India has got quite a lot of defence assets from Russia and the cooperation between the two countries will continue.

In January, the US announced sanctions against Russia under its Countering America's Adversaries Through Sanctions Act (CAATSA) for Moscow's alleged meddling in the American presidential election in 2016.

CAATSA, which came into effect in January, mandates the Donald Trump administration to punish countries and entities engaging in significant transaction with the defence or intelligence establishment of Russia.

Asked whether India will go ahead with the S-400 deal with Russia, the defence minister said the long-drawn negotiations relating to it have reached final stage.

"The S-400 deal has been on for a very long time and we have reached the final stage of negotiations. That explains it," she said.
India wants to procure the long-range missile systems to tighten its air defence mechanism, particularly along the nearly 4,000-km-long China-India border.

Official sources said both Russia and India are likely to announce the deal before an annual summit between Prime Minister Narendra Modi and Russian President Vladimir Putin in October.

There have been mounting concerns in India over the US sanctions against Russian defence majors including Rosoboronexport as billions of dollars of military purchases may be impacted because of the
punitive measure.

The issue is understood to have figured during Modi's informal talks with Putin in Sochi last month.

https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/india/india-to-go-ahead-with-s-400-triumf-deal-with-russia-notwithstanding-us-sanctions/articleshow/64466219.cms

Pinto wrote:NEW DELHI: India has very clearly conveyed to the US that the "time-tested" India-Russian cooperation in the defence sector will continue, including the deal for S-400 Triumf air defence missile systems for the IAF, notwithstanding the American sanctions against Moscow.

If trus\e this clearly shows that Modi & Indian leadership is very clever. In fact this is nt about Russia this is about India. Both India and USsmans know that in 20-30 years India will go ahead of US in GDP (PPP). USrealtively is getting weaker and this is challenging hegemon...

In practical terms of contract- I wonder what US would do? sanctions against all India? no way Dump can do it.

GunshipDemocracy wrote:

Pinto wrote:NEW DELHI: India has very clearly conveyed to the US that the "time-tested" India-Russian cooperation in the defence sector will continue, including the deal for S-400 Triumf air defence missile systems for the IAF, notwithstanding the American sanctions against Moscow.

If trus\e this clearly shows that Modi & Indian leadership is very clever. In fact this is nt about Russia this is about India. Both India and USsmans know that in 20-30 years India will go ahead of US in GDP (PPP). USrealtively is getting weaker and this is challenging hegemon...

In practical terms of contract- I wonder what US would do? sanctions against all India? no way Dump can do it.

The fact of the matter for India is these sanctions against Russia by US is "Illegal" there are not mandated by UN or and India is not bound at all to follow them more so when its related to Russia. S4OO apart India will sign deals more fo frigates n nuke sub lease too

Pinto wrote:

The fact of the matter for India is these sanctions against Russia by US is "Illegal" there are not mandated by UN or and India is not bound at all to follow them more so when its related to Russia.  S4OO apart India will sign deals more fo frigates n nuke sub lease too

"illegal" ekhm most of things US does is illegal or harmful. India is enough heavyweight to try to fight for own real independence. In 70 perhaps Indian economy was like 1/10 of Us one without any hi tech industry. Now in PPP it is ~ 45% ! and perhaps in 2025 on pair.

US cannot fight the all world (thought they try) - this fight is deemed to loose. And you know what effect wile be? India will become one of poles in multi polar world

GunshipDemocracy wrote:

Pinto wrote:NEW DELHI: India has very clearly conveyed to the US that the "time-tested" India-Russian cooperation in the defence sector will continue, including the deal for S-400 Triumf air defence missile systems for the IAF, notwithstanding the American sanctions against Moscow.

If trus\e this clearly shows that Modi & Indian leadership is very clever. In fact this is nt about Russia this is about India. Both India and USsmans know that in 20-30 years India will go ahead of US in GDP (PPP). USrealtively is getting weaker and this is challenging hegemon...

In practical terms of contract- I wonder what US would do? sanctions against all India? no way Dump can do it.

What US will do under trump is uncertain as of now but one thing is clear India-Russian defence relations will not stop because of this illegal sanctions on whims n fancy of US

Pinto wrote:

What US will do under trump is uncertain as of now but one thing is clear India-Russian defence relations will not stop because of this illegal sanctions on whims n fancy of US

USA is loosing competitive edge and cannot be an undisputed hegemon in 20-30 years anymore. Dump tries only to delay inevitable. Modi tries now how much India can do against will USA. I dont think that his every move is not thoroughly discussed with advisers.

GunshipDemocracy wrote:

Pinto wrote:

The fact of the matter for India is these sanctions against Russia by US is "Illegal" there are not mandated by UN or and India is not bound at all to follow them more so when its related to Russia.  S4OO apart India will sign deals more fo frigates n nuke sub lease too

"illegal" ekhm most of things US does is illegal or harmful. India is enough heavyweight to try to fight for own real independence. In 70 perhaps Indian economy was like 1/10 of Us one without any hi tech industry. Now in PPP it is ~ 45% ! and perhaps in 2025 on pair.

US cannot fight the all world (thought they try) - this fight is deemed to loose. And you know what effect wile be? India will become one of poles in multi polar world

Yes US through its foolish policies now fast loosing its position of strength especially after walking out of Iran deal on which they are not even finding support from European countries. So is it beginning of the end of US hegemony only time will tell

https://www.rt.com/news/431386-india-s400-purchase-pressure/

India’s Defense Ministry has reportedly given the green light for the acquisition of the Russian S-400 air defense systems and has forwarded the deal for final approval, despite a warning from the US of potential consequences.
After endorsing some “minor deviations” in the contract, defense minister Nirmala Sitharaman forwarded the 39,000 crore ($5.7bn) deal to purchase S-400 for final government approval, to the finance ministry and the Prime Minister’s office, sources told the Times of India.

“The S-400 procurement case will now go to the finance ministry for clearance and the PM-led Cabinet Committee on Security for the final nod,” a source at the Defence Acquisitions Council (DAC), told the publication. “The country’s top political leadership will have to take a call on when the actual contract can be inked.”

New Delhi is pushing ahead to purchase five S-400 units, despite strong opposition from the US. The deal, provisionally discussed during the Modi-Putin summit at Goa in October 2016, has attracted speculation over the possible imposition of US sanctions, under that country’s Countering America’s Adversaries through Sanctions Act (CAATSA), which aims to deter nations from purchasing Russian weapons.

“The acquisition of this technology will limit, I am afraid, the degree with which the United States will feel comfortable in bringing additional technology into whatever country we are talking about,” US armed services committee chairman Mac Thornberry said back in May, noting that there is also concern that “any country that acquires the system will complicate the ability of interoperability” with US forces.

The proliferation of S-400 across the globe has made Washington extremely worried about the growing anti-access and area-denial (A2/AD) capabilities of sovereign nations, and even NATO allies. Some lawmakers even argued that integration of Russian technology by US allies might compromise US “technology secrets.” In addition to India, Turkey has faced immense pressure to back down from the deal to purchase the state-of-the-art defense systems.

Russian S-400: Air-defense system worth being sanctioned

The S-400 Triumf is the most advanced Russian anti-aircraft system available for export, designed to engage aerodynamic targets at a range of up to 400km and ballistic missiles up to 60km away. The launcher can use at least four interceptor missile types, suited to different targets. One S-400 division can engage up to 36 targets simultaneously.