Syrian Civil War: News #7

Karl Haushofer wrote:

KomissarBojanchev wrote:

kvs wrote:

magnumcromagnon wrote:

KoTeMoRe wrote:I don't know about the nomenclature. It looks like a birdhouse/birdcage. I've read Mirage on Twitter. I've read Sahara (desert) on reddit.

BTW, I've got to give credit where credit is due. You (more than anyone) was constantly pointing out how Bulgarian arms keep finding their way in to ISIS Daesh-bag hands...then we have this:

Daesh-Produced Fuel Sold at Bulgarian Gas Stations

...So it looks like the Bulgarian connection has been completed. This is most likely the work (arms for oil) of the Bulgarian and Turkish Mafia with Bulgarian and Turkish govt. stamp of approval, underneath the NATO 'stay-behind' umbrella/envelope, with their direction of course. Can you say Grey Wolf?

Bulgaria has been Turdkey's bitch since the beginning.  It is an enemy to the Orthodox world.

Bulgarians despise turks more than anyone else. We suffered slavery and islamisation for the longest time under the ottoman khalifate. Unfortunately since an NGO installed neoliberal mafia regime is in power through backroom deals, and bribery , our country is working against its people's interests, and  instead for private, criminal, and western ones.

Where is Bulgaria's anti-Western Maidan then?

Jesus...

Dima wrote:Ivan Sidorenko ‏@IvanSidorenko1

Pimp style Lvl 150

Better to turn them than kill them sometimes.

MOSCOW (Sputnik) — "In the course of the last 24 hours, ceasefire agreements have been signed with four commanders of moderate opposition units, which control Kafar, Shams and Gabagib (Daraa province). Total number of signed agreements has reached 40," the ministry's Reconciliation Center Bulletin reads. "By the mediation of the Russian Federation, negotiations are continued with another 11 leaders of armed formations located in the provinces of Damascus, Daraa, Homs and Aleppo," the bulletin added.

Russia and the United States reached an agreement on the ceasefire in Syria on February 22. The truce excluded the terrorist groups Daesh (Islamic State) and the Nusra Front, both of which are outlawed in Russia.

The Syrian government has confirmed its readiness to halt its military actions in accordance with the Russia-US agreement. Some opposition forces have been skeptical about the ceasefire, but in general have agreed to adhere to it. The ceasefire took effect on Saturday. On Tuesday, US State Department spokesperson John Kirby stated the ceasefire in Syria was holding for the most part and no major violations had been seen in the last 24 hours amid the cessation of hostilities deal.

Read more: http://sputniknews.com/middleeast/20160302/1035686002/four-rebel-leaders-join-ceasefire-syria.html#ixzz41miH2rFn

Humungous VBIED explosion in Al-Ashah close to the Israeli border. The explosion happened near the headquarters of Jabhat Thuwwar Souriya. It was carried out by ISIS and killed the commander “Abu Hamza Al-Nu’aimi” and over 25 associates including “Abu Taha”, ‘Amir Abu Al-Bara’a, and “Abu Yazan". The commander of the Ahel Al-Arad Battalion “‘Abdullah Al-Moussa” was wounded along with several of his men during this massive explosion.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gxd3nGJr9ws

Good work. It saves the RuAF and SAF some effort.

short_fuze wrote:Humungous VBIED explosion in Al-Ashah close to the Israeli border. The explosion happened near the headquarters of Jabhat Thuwwar Souriya. It was carried out by ISIS and killed the  commander “Abu Hamza Al-Nu’aimi” and over 25 associates including “Abu Taha”, ‘Amir Abu Al-Bara’a, and “Abu Yazan". The commander of the Ahel Al-Arad Battalion “‘Abdullah Al-Moussa” was wounded along with several of his men during this massive explosion.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gxd3nGJr9ws

Good work. It saves the RuAF and SAF some effort.

Rock the Kasbah...couldn't have happened to a nicer bunch.

KoTeMoRe wrote:

short_fuze wrote:Humungous VBIED explosion in Al-Ashah close to the Israeli border. The explosion happened near the headquarters of Jabhat Thuwwar Souriya. It was carried out by ISIS and killed the  commander “Abu Hamza Al-Nu’aimi” and over 25 associates including “Abu Taha”, ‘Amir Abu Al-Bara’a, and “Abu Yazan". The commander of the Ahel Al-Arad Battalion “‘Abdullah Al-Moussa” was wounded along with several of his men during this massive explosion.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gxd3nGJr9ws

Good work. It saves the RuAF and SAF some effort.

Rock the Kasbah...couldn't have happened to a nicer bunch.

Unfortunately no White Helmets appear to have been harmed in this production. Must try harder.

Edit: Thinking about it, surely it should be SAAF (as in Syrian Arab Air Force) to parallel SAA (Syrian Arab Army)?

short_fuze wrote:

KoTeMoRe wrote:

short_fuze wrote:Humungous VBIED explosion in Al-Ashah close to the Israeli border. The explosion happened near the headquarters of Jabhat Thuwwar Souriya. It was carried out by ISIS and killed the  commander “Abu Hamza Al-Nu’aimi” and over 25 associates including “Abu Taha”, ‘Amir Abu Al-Bara’a, and “Abu Yazan". The commander of the Ahel Al-Arad Battalion “‘Abdullah Al-Moussa” was wounded along with several of his men during this massive explosion.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gxd3nGJr9ws

Good work. It saves the RuAF and SAF some effort.

Rock the Kasbah...couldn't have happened to a nicer bunch.

Unfortunately no White Helmets appear to have been harmed in this production. Must try harder.

Edit: Thinking about it, surely it should be SAAF (as in Syrian Arab Air Force) to parallel SAA (Syrian Arab Army)?

SyAAF is the most common accro is see. Also White Helmets are living on borrowed time.

KoTeMoRe wrote:

short_fuze wrote:

KoTeMoRe wrote:

short_fuze wrote:Humungous VBIED explosion in Al-Ashah close to the Israeli border. The explosion happened near the headquarters of Jabhat Thuwwar Souriya. It was carried out by ISIS and killed the  commander “Abu Hamza Al-Nu’aimi” and over 25 associates including “Abu Taha”, ‘Amir Abu Al-Bara’a, and “Abu Yazan". The commander of the Ahel Al-Arad Battalion “‘Abdullah Al-Moussa” was wounded along with several of his men during this massive explosion.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gxd3nGJr9ws

Good work. It saves the RuAF and SAF some effort.

Rock the Kasbah...couldn't have happened to a nicer bunch.

Unfortunately no White Helmets appear to have been harmed in this production. Must try harder.

Edit: Thinking about it, surely it should be SAAF (as in Syrian Arab Air Force) to parallel SAA (Syrian Arab Army)?

SyAAF is the most common accro is see. Also White Helmets are living on borrowed time.

Thanks muchly. The White Helmets have borrowed far too much time as far as I am concerned.

KoTeMoRe wrote:

short_fuze wrote:Humungous VBIED explosion in Al-Ashah close to the Israeli border. The explosion happened near the headquarters of Jabhat Thuwwar Souriya. It was carried out by ISIS and killed the  commander “Abu Hamza Al-Nu’aimi” and over 25 associates including “Abu Taha”, ‘Amir Abu Al-Bara’a, and “Abu Yazan". The commander of the Ahel Al-Arad Battalion “‘Abdullah Al-Moussa” was wounded along with several of his men during this massive explosion.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gxd3nGJr9ws

Good work. It saves the RuAF and SAF some effort.

Rock the Kasbah...couldn't have happened to a nicer bunch.

I doubt this was IS.
I'm getting Aux Fvck truck brigade vibes.

Jaysh Arabi Souvietii has a long arm, but I entertain the idea this was maybe only "a tip off from the sky".

KiloGolf wrote:

KoTeMoRe wrote:

short_fuze wrote:Humungous VBIED explosion in Al-Ashah close to the Israeli border. The explosion happened near the headquarters of Jabhat Thuwwar Souriya. It was carried out by ISIS and killed the  commander “Abu Hamza Al-Nu’aimi” and over 25 associates including “Abu Taha”, ‘Amir Abu Al-Bara’a, and “Abu Yazan". The commander of the Ahel Al-Arad Battalion “‘Abdullah Al-Moussa” was wounded along with several of his men during this massive explosion.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gxd3nGJr9ws

Good work. It saves the RuAF and SAF some effort.

Rock the Kasbah...couldn't have happened to a nicer bunch.

I doubt this was IS.
I'm getting Aux Fvck truck brigade vibes.

There's only one thing better than the good guys killing takfiris, and that is takfiris killing takfiris. Who ever did it may have had a little help for Our Friends intelligence-wise.

KoTeMoRe wrote:Jaysh Arabi Souvietii has a long arm, but I entertain the idea this was maybe only "a tip off from the sky".

short_fuze wrote:There's only one thing better than the good guys killing takfiris, and that is takfiris killing takfiris. Who ever did it may have had a little help for Our Friends intelligence-wise.

Tip off, one that must have hurt certain "decision-making centers" around the world.

Like getting a vasectomy by the intern surgeon.
With the intern being a monkey high on bath salts and a hacksaw.

KiloGolf wrote:

KoTeMoRe wrote:Jaysh Arabi Souvietii has a long arm, but I entertain the idea this was maybe only "a tip off from the sky".

short_fuze wrote:There's only one thing better than the good guys killing takfiris, and that is takfiris killing takfiris. Who ever did it may have had a little help for Our Friends intelligence-wise.

Tip off, one that must have hurt certain "decision-making centers" around the world.

Like getting a vasectomy by the intern surgeon.
With the intern being a monkey high on bath salts and a hacksaw.

I'd like to clarify my Idea. Either Russians passed the info through undercover IGILtsev, either the Saudis passed it to the guys in black. The people killed were best buddies with US envoys two years ago. However their failure last year, could have divided the backers. I mean this is Saudis we're talking about.

Since when idiots are allowed to participate in U.S. House of Representatives ?

https://www.rt.com/usa/334398-syria-war-crimes-panel/

The US House Foreign Affairs Committee has passed a resolution accusing the Syrian government, Russia and Iran of war crimes and calling for an international tribunal on Syria. The move comes amid a breakthrough US-Russia deal on a Syrian ceasefire.

Not long ago the clowns claimed that Daesh didn't commit genocide against Christians. And now this ?

higurashihougi wrote:Since when idiots are allowed to participate in U.S. House of Representatives ?

https://www.rt.com/usa/334398-syria-war-crimes-panel/

The US House Foreign Affairs Committee has passed a resolution accusing the Syrian government, Russia and Iran of war crimes and calling for an international tribunal on Syria. The move comes amid a breakthrough US-Russia deal on a Syrian ceasefire.

Not long ago the clowns claimed that Daesh didn't commit genocide against Christians. And now this ?

Can't believe it
Either way sounds like they pencil fvcked that statement.

“Russian attacks have actually done more to help ISIS than hurt it.”

KiloGolf wrote:

higurashihougi wrote:Since when idiots are allowed to participate in U.S. House of Representatives ?

https://www.rt.com/usa/334398-syria-war-crimes-panel/

The US House Foreign Affairs Committee has passed a resolution accusing the Syrian government, Russia and Iran of war crimes and calling for an international tribunal on Syria. The move comes amid a breakthrough US-Russia deal on a Syrian ceasefire.

Not long ago the clowns claimed that Daesh didn't commit genocide against Christians. And now this ?

Can't believe it
Either way sounds like they pencil fvcked that statement.

“Russian attacks have actually done more to help ISIS than hurt it.”

You understand the Repubs are in the majority, you also understand that most of the MENA sub-commitee is made out of outspoken Anti-Assad people?

http://foreignaffairs.house.gov/subcommittees/the-middle-east-and-north-africa

What did you expect? Cue Schweppes.

Wonder what this is about. No power could mean no Internet or mobile phones.

MOSCOW (Sputnik) – The source said the reason for the outages is being investigated and hopes power will be renewed in the next few hours.

“Electricity has been cut off throughout all of the provinces,” a source in the Energy Ministry told the agency.

Read more: http://sputniknews.com/middleeast/20160303/1035716970/blackout-syria.html#ixzz41qUGuF6r


EDIT

LATAKIA (Syria)(Sputnik) — A power grid blackout in Syria has not affected the work at the Hmeimim airbase in the Latakia province where a Russia air group is deployed, the Russian Defense Ministry said Thursday. "All services are carrying out tasks in normal operation mode," ministry's spokesman Maj. Gen. Igor Konashenkov said, adding that Hmeimim has enough power generators to ensure the uninterrupted work of the airbase.

Syria's SANA news agency reported earlier on Thursday that all of Syria’s provinces have been affected by severe power supply interruptions.

Read more: http://sputniknews.com/middleeast/20160303/1035727247/hmeimim-operations-blackout.html#ixzz41r2WIMVU

I dont know whats happening in United states but seems as if the
whole Government is now divided.. and you have the Republicans in Senate and Congress
pushing for more Syrian war. and some factions from Obama administration pushing
to end it.  While a report released blames Russia -IRAN and Syria of warcrimes..

Another report by US state department fall short of calling Turkey a terrorist state.
and that Turkey government have been "Weak" in detecting the oil smuggling of oil
from ISIS across its territory. Perhaps this is European Union pressure working?
Norway is now releasing its own report that pretty much confirm Russia report about Turkey.
although don't mention Russia but says nearly the same thing and include the prices that ISIS
sell oil in the market using Turkey.  

I find hard to believe the US state department will basically throw Turkey
and erdogan future into the abyss. with this report.

https://www.rt.com/news/334407-terrorists-smuggling-oil-turkey/

So if i were to guess ,it looks 2-3 major factions in US government are pushing
their own agenda in the Syrian conflict.

The US Senate leading one , the Pentagon top leadership another faction that only disagree with the senate in the tactics to use against Syria and then a mysterious faction withing the US state department that wants the war to end. What is more confusing is that Kerry says something one day towards peace in Syria and the other day says something else pro War.. The fact that kerry signed the deal of cease fire with lavrov and even visit Sochi to talk to Putin .. but later talk about plan B if cease of fire ,is kind of weird.

But definitively there is a major division in US policy in Syria ,and what is surprising is how each US faction try to sabotage the other . So if my guess is correct.. this is really good for Russia.. and they will want to exploit this as much as possible? perhaps thats the real reason of the cease of fire.. it was more like symbolical , but it allowed powerful factions in US and EUrope to really see what they really want in Syria , the ones that were insecure ..to promote that the war against syria needs to end.is an invitation for peace , Pentagon in the other hand is not happy about it and is increasing its hostile rhetoric against Russia.

So does it is surprising that not all american Government is united? not at all ..but what
is a surprise is that i didnt expected the divisions to be so deep and easy to see ,and so confusing. Either Kerry is either giving false hopes to Russia and playing games ,by tricking Russia into cooperation..or he is tricking their own government ,? and really sick of the whole Syrian war and pushing to end it ,even if that means going against the Pentagon and Obama.

Or maybe is not kerry  and he only repeats what is being told to say. by different bosses .
whatherver it is  definitely there is a major split in US policy  in Syria and this shows how complicate is any negotiation with United States about anything. Because you could have the support of their President ,but the Pentagon and CIA and Senate can sabotage that. or it can be the other way. By watching Kerry defending Russia in the pentagon how cooperative Russia is ,vs Pentagon claims of Russia being an enemy ,was really telling of the divisions that exist.
So if i was to guess , it is possible , unless kerry is just following orders from above ,that is not Obama. That at least 4 factions show up in US.. the Pentagon faction , the US senate/congress faction, the Kerry faction and the Obama faction.  is a real mess ,and Russia apparently understand this ,and take advantage of the divisions and takes any opportunity as soon its
shows. Whatever it is.. It looks really impressive the kind of diplomacy that Putin/Lavrov is using against United States. Any other nation will have not have the patience of Russia in dealing with United States.

Putin inviting Henry Kissinger (a war criminal) but that have good relations with US elite ,
is another way to see Putin trying to divide the American elite and get some support withing
US elite. Putin shaking hands with Netanyahu and increasing relations with Israel ,even when they attack Syria is another way is playing its hand. To send the message that Russia can help
the security of Israel that is really important for US elite.

Vann7 wrote:Putin shaking hands with Netanyahu and increasing relations with Israel ,even when they attack Syria is another way is playing its hand.

And it's not if as most educated, secular-minded Israelis fancy the whole Israel being an extension of USA concept. 3 bln USD p.a. aint gonna cut it.
Netanyahu, despite playing the hawk card perfectly, is not a buffon. But he has voters to please, hence the rhetoric and butthurt vs. Iran.

If Putin wins over Israel eventually, he's in for gold membership in Club Med.

More terrorists who have decided that perhaps they want to put off their 72 virgins for a while and live after all.

MOSCOW (Sputnik) — The number of local ceasefire agreements in Syria has reached 44, the Russian Defense Ministry said Thursday. "The total number of ceasefire agreements has reached 44," the ministry said in a statement on its website. "Moreover, Jaish al-Islam leaders controlling the town of Ruhhaybah [Damascus region] decided yesterday to join the cessation of hostilities," the statement reads.

Last week, Russia and the United States reached an agreement on the ceasefire in Syria. The cessation of hostilities took effect at midnight on Saturday, Damascus time, generally holding across the country despite reported minor violations.

The Russian center on Syrian reconciliation registered 14 violations of ceasefire regime in Syria in the last 24 hours, the Russian defense Ministry said Thursday. "In the past 24 hours, some 14 shellings of residential areas and government troops positions have been registered, including three in Damascus…and five in Aleppo," the ministry said in a press release.

Staff of the Russian center delivered on Thursday over four metric tons of humanitarian aid to two locales in Syria's Hama province. "Local residents received food supplies and bottled potable water."

Read more: http://sputniknews.com/middleeast/20160303/1035729019/jaish-al-islam-ceasefire.html#ixzz41rACG4xX

KoTeMoRe wrote:

KiloGolf wrote:

KoTeMoRe wrote:Jaysh Arabi Souvietii has a long arm, but I entertain the idea this was maybe only "a tip off from the sky".

short_fuze wrote:There's only one thing better than the good guys killing takfiris, and that is takfiris killing takfiris. Who ever did it may have had a little help for Our Friends intelligence-wise.

Tip off, one that must have hurt certain "decision-making centers" around the world.

Like getting a vasectomy by the intern surgeon.
With the intern being a monkey high on bath salts and a hacksaw.

I'd like to clarify my Idea. Either Russians passed the info through undercover IGILtsev, either the Saudis passed it to the guys in black. The people killed were best buddies with US envoys two years ago. However their failure last year, could have divided the backers. I mean this is Saudis we're talking about.

Prior to the US/UK invasion of Iraq, Sunnis and Shiites were living together in relative harmony in mixed neighbourhoods. Something had to trigger the sectarian violence. Cue UK SAS driving around out of uniform in ordinary cars loaded with explosives and other military gear. Blow up a Shiite mosque and leave evidence suggesting Sunni involvement and vice-versa.

It is a pleasing thought the the Good Guys might actually be using the same strategy to incite intra-takfiri violence. ISIS takes out FSA. FSA takes out ISIS. All with a little help and encouragement.

short_fuze wrote:

KoTeMoRe wrote:

KiloGolf wrote:

KoTeMoRe wrote:Jaysh Arabi Souvietii has a long arm, but I entertain the idea this was maybe only "a tip off from the sky".

short_fuze wrote:There's only one thing better than the good guys killing takfiris, and that is takfiris killing takfiris. Who ever did it may have had a little help for Our Friends intelligence-wise.

Tip off, one that must have hurt certain "decision-making centers" around the world.

Like getting a vasectomy by the intern surgeon.
With the intern being a monkey high on bath salts and a hacksaw.

I'd like to clarify my Idea. Either Russians passed the info through undercover IGILtsev, either the Saudis passed it to the guys in black. The people killed were best buddies with US envoys two years ago. However their failure last year, could have divided the backers. I mean this is Saudis we're talking about.

Prior to the US/UK invasion of Iraq, Sunnis and Shiites were living together in relative harmony in mixed neighbourhoods. Something had to trigger the sectarian violence. Cue UK SAS driving around out of uniform in ordinary cars loaded with explosives and other military gear. Blow up a Shiite mosque and leave evidence suggesting Sunni involvement and vice-versa.

It is a pleasing thought the the Good Guys might actually be using the same strategy to incite intra-takfiri violence. ISIS takes out FSA. FSA takes out ISIS. All with a little help and encouragement.

Depends what you call relative harmony.

In the coast, yes, for instance Madaya, you know the supposedly death camp in the mountains, was a Sunni resort spot, with mostly "Shia" and Christian visitors during the winter. A place like Aleppo old city was really over its head with Rich sunnis and middle class Alawites and poor Kurds. Then you had places like Jobar in Damascus with a big strong Sunni middle class sourrounded by poor Sunnis that built a lot of their neighbourhoods next to Alawite villages.

Opposing to that you had totally fucked up places like the Euphrates areas that were flashpoints with Sunnis despising the Kurds and Kurds despising both Sunnis and Syrian state. Deir Ezzor for instane was all super patriotic, Sunni dominated and shit, yet those guys Sunni, Kurds picked first the Moderats, then either ISIS either stood with Syrian State.

Now indeed something happened in Syria. And that was the failed attempt to choke Assad by sending back a whole lot of Syrians working in Lebanon.

https://wikileaks.org/plusd/cables/06DAMASCUS5399_a.html

Just read and compare the US cables with what happened in reality. However this happened because Syria was reeling from years of inertia. And Bashar and his people couldn't shake the old guard and accept a smaller cut of the whole privatization process, in order to have more cash for the people and economy.

So everything was stacked to turn a relatively benign transition into a clusterf**k.



Syria is a complex place.

KoTeMoRe wrote:

short_fuze wrote:

KoTeMoRe wrote:

KiloGolf wrote:

KoTeMoRe wrote:Jaysh Arabi Souvietii has a long arm, but I entertain the idea this was maybe only "a tip off from the sky".

short_fuze wrote:There's only one thing better than the good guys killing takfiris, and that is takfiris killing takfiris. Who ever did it may have had a little help for Our Friends intelligence-wise.

Tip off, one that must have hurt certain "decision-making centers" around the world.

Like getting a vasectomy by the intern surgeon.
With the intern being a monkey high on bath salts and a hacksaw.

I'd like to clarify my Idea. Either Russians passed the info through undercover IGILtsev, either the Saudis passed it to the guys in black. The people killed were best buddies with US envoys two years ago. However their failure last year, could have divided the backers. I mean this is Saudis we're talking about.

Prior to the US/UK invasion of Iraq, Sunnis and Shiites were living together in relative harmony in mixed neighbourhoods. Something had to trigger the sectarian violence. Cue UK SAS driving around out of uniform in ordinary cars loaded with explosives and other military gear. Blow up a Shiite mosque and leave evidence suggesting Sunni involvement and vice-versa.

It is a pleasing thought the the Good Guys might actually be using the same strategy to incite intra-takfiri violence. ISIS takes out FSA. FSA takes out ISIS. All with a little help and encouragement.

Depends what you call relative harmony.

In the coast, yes, for instance Madaya, you know the supposedly death camp in the mountains, was a Sunni resort spot, with mostly "Shia" and Christian visitors during the winter. A place like Aleppo old city was really over its head with Rich sunnis and middle class Alawites and poor Kurds. Then you had places like Jobar in Damascus with a big strong Sunni middle class sourrounded by poor Sunnis that built a lot of their neighbourhoods next to Alawite villages.

Opposing to that you had totally fucked up places like the Euphrates areas that were flashpoints with Sunnis despising the Kurds and Kurds despising both Sunnis and Syrian state. Deir Ezzor for instane was all super patriotic, Sunni dominated and shit, yet those guys Sunni, Kurds picked first the Moderats, then either ISIS either stood with Syrian State.

Now indeed something happened in Syria. And that was the failed attempt to choke Assad by sending back a whole lot of Syrians working in Lebanon.

https://wikileaks.org/plusd/cables/06DAMASCUS5399_a.html

Just read and compare the US cables with what happened in reality. However this happened because Syria was reeling from years of inertia. And Bashar and his people couldn't shake the old guard and accept a smaller cut of the whole privatization process, in order to have more cash for the people and economy.

So everything was stacked to turn a relatively benign transition into a clusterf**k.



Syria is a complex place.

Add into the mix the fact that the Syrian Army was forced to withdraw from Lebanon in 2005 (one year after the 2004 Kurdish riots). This created a huge intelligence and border control gap. By 2010 Syria was open to militant, weaponry and advisor influx from Turkey, Iraq, Lebanon and Jordan.

"ERDOGAN CORNERED"

"Russian air support turned the tide of the war in Syria. Bashar Assad used it to full measure, while his Turkish neighbor made the wrong move by shooting down a Russian aircraft".

"SAA offensive at Aleppo and Syrian Kurd attacks against ISIS near Aazaaz which threaten to cut off the supply corridor between Turkey and ISIS-controlled territories threatens the Islamists’ oil business with the Erdogan clan and the flow of money, weapons, and militants. Therefore they threaten Ankara’s, Riyadh’s, and Doha’s plans for Syria. Overthrowing Assad by force is no longer in the cards".

https://southfront.org/erdogan-cornered/

KiloGolf wrote:

Vann7 wrote:Putin shaking hands with Netanyahu and increasing relations with Israel ,even when they attack Syria is another way is playing its hand.

And it's not if as most educated, secular-minded Israelis fancy the whole Israel being an extension of USA concept. 3 bln USD p.a. aint gonna cut it.
Netanyahu, despite playing the hawk card perfectly, is not a buffon. But he has voters to please, hence the rhetoric and butthurt vs. Iran.

If Putin wins over Israel eventually, he's in for gold membership in Club Med.

Getting good with Israel has been historically the key to penetrating US military intelligence, see China for example, which had some legendary success in penetrating US intelligence circles because of Neoconserative weakness and their incapability to hold Israeli's accountability for anyone kind of wrongdoing/crime imaginable. It's one of the reasons why Zbignew Brzezinski (arguably the most influential/important of Obama's foreign policy advisers) hates the Israeli's so much, the other reason is that he hates everything that's not a Islamic extremist (his one true love in life).