BTR-80/82A and variants: News

Is in service since 2011, but never saw or remenber hear about it

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dino00 wrote:Is in service since 2011, but never saw or remenber hear about it

From19:18

I've heard about the Fauna ECM complex for years, however this is the first time I've seen it in action.

Infauna.

This optics. Are they lasers? laser warning devices? jammers?

Saw it in a vid on Syria, when some Russian Spetsnaz got some journalists tagging along with a convoy out of a hotspot.

Hole wrote:This optics. Are they lasers? laser warning devices? jammers?

If i understand correctly they are optical sensors to detect firing of weaponry and possibly incoming projectiles.
I don't know what spectrum etc.

But the vehicle can deploy aerosol smokescreens which has been demonstrated.

Well, so it got optical sensors and laser detectors to detect attacks and jammers and flare launchers to defend vehicles from attacks. Nice. Like the self-defense systems they put close to SAM´s, just mobile.

Hole wrote:Well, so it got optical sensors and laser detectors to detect attacks and jammers and flare launchers to defend vehicles from attacks. Nice. Like the self-defense systems they put close to SAM´s, just mobile.

Gazetchik-E. I wonder if armored vehicles could have a modernized version (with APS) hitched behind them on a trailer?

Like the self-defense systems they put close to SAM´s, just mobile.

Not really, that is Gazetchik-E, which basically protects major radars and SAM sites from anti radiation missile attack by emitting radar signals to distract the incoming anti radiation missile from the actual radar it is connected with.

This system clearly uses both smoke and incendiary burning material to defeat optical and IR guided weapons by blocking visual light and creating multiple IR signals all around the target area so individual targets can't be differentiated from the background noise.

Hope the enemy appreciates this because the alternative is a high power laser to blind EO sensors and telescopic sights...

Gazetchik uses also chaff/flare launchers and Infauna uses jammers. Not much difference.

Upgraded armored personnel carrier BTR-82AT

According to Rossiyskaya Gazeta, the newest version of the famous Russian armored personnel carrier BTR-82, the BTR-82AT armored personnel carrier, is being demonstrated for the first time at the International Military Technical Forum Army-2019.



Externally from the earlier machines, the AT modification is distinguished by the presence of a set of additional reflective screens of armor steel and special arrays.

The first significantly increase resistance when hit by bullets of such large-caliber machine guns as M2, DShK and Utes, the latter neutralize the action of the rocket-propelled grenades of the RPG-7 and SPG-9 anti-tank grenade launchers, as well as their foreign counterparts.

The combat vehicle received a new combined two-channel sight with vertical stabilization and a laser rangefinder. With it, the gunner can effectively fire from a 30mm 2A72 automatic cannon and a 7.62mm PKTM machine gun day and night.

Now, in the dark, you can use a thermal imager, it is not afraid of external interference and helps to see even disguised targets. Also, this device allows you to detect the enemy in the rain, fog and clouds of dust.

Motorized riflemen on board received a portable Kornet anti-tank missile system, which greatly enhanced their ability to combat enemy engineering structures and heavy, highly protected armored vehicles.

Combat crew 9-10 people. Diesel engine power - 300 hp Maximum speed on the highway - 80 km / h. The weight of the updated car is now 17,250 kg.





https://bmpd.livejournal.com/3693097.html

Recently i have seen many pictures of BTR-82A / BTR-82AM with a different device mounted in place of the PL-1-01 laser beamer.
The PL-1-01 is used for active illumination of the combined day/night sight of the BPPU combat module.

Normal BTR-82A


BTR-82A with different device


Does anyone have information about this device? We see in the latest version BTR-82AT, which supposedly features a thermal imaging channel, neither of the above is installed.
This could mean the thermal camera is integrated in the default sight, and not mounted externally as we see for example with upgraded BMP-2MD of the Finnish Army.

BTR-82AT with a thermal imaging sight will be presented for the first time at the Army 2020 forum.

https://bmpd.livejournal.com/3947988.html

Hole wrote:He refers to a new artillery round that uses a ramjet to increase range. Technically its some sort of rocket.

Few words about the Ramjet Shell

NORWEGIAN Nammo rolls out its extreme range artillery Ramjet Assisted 155 Shell
Check out this mockup of a ramjet-assisted 155mm shell from Nammo, as seen at Eurosatory 2018. (Jeff Martin/Staff)

PARIS — Norwegian ammunition company Nammo has rolled out what it’s calling an “extreme range” artillery concept using ramjet propulsion that it hopes will meet the emerging long-range precision fires requirements for a variety of countries, including the United States.

Nammo has combined its experience in both ammunition and rocket-propulsion technology, and it’s merging those capabilities to create an artillery shell capable of reaching more than 100 kilometers in range without changing the gun on a standard 155mm howitzer, according to Thomas Danbolt, company vice president of large caliber ammunition, who spoke at Eurosatory, one of the largest land warfare conferences in Europe.
Link for the whole article below:

https://www.defensenews.com/digital-show-dailies/eurosatory/2018/06/14/nammo-rolls-out-its-extreme-range-artillery/

[quote="George1"]Upgraded armored personnel carrier BTR-82AT

According to Rossiyskaya Gazeta, the newest version of the famous Russian armored personnel carrier BTR-82, the BTR-82AT armored personnel carrier, is being demonstrated for the first time at the International Military Technical Forum Army-2019.



BTW do you know what's going on with the BTR-87? I read in 2016 that's going to replace the BTR-82.

Few words about the Ramjet Shell

A scramjet shell would be even better able to operate at much higher speeds.

A turbojet engine wont operate normally at flight speeds much faster than Mach 3 because the air coming into the turbojet needs to be slowed down to subsonic speeds before fuel can be burned....

The SR-71 uses air bypassing around the turbojet as a ramjet so while it has a turbojet engine when it is flying very fast (up to mach 3.5) there is very little to no air passing through its turbojet engine... it is bypassing the turbojet engine like a ramjet with fuel added at the rear like an afterburner.... the air is still slowed down to subsonic speeds for the fuel to burn which limits its thrust capacity so even though it is a very sleek design it wont go much faster than mach 3.5.

A scramjet motor can burn fuel at supersonic speeds so no need to slow down the air passing through it... you can put an enormous volume of air through a scramjet which means much much higher speeds are possible... obviously when the problem of propulsion is the speed of the gas coming out the back of the engine the last thing you want to have to do is slow it down when it comes in, but with conventional jets you had to to burn the fuel to make them run.

With a scramjet you don't need to slow down anything so you get a lot more thrust at high speed... if you imagine the pure turbojet of the MiG-31 the air intakes actually close down to reduce the amount of air coming in the air intake at top speed so that when it gets to the hot section of the engine it is moving at subsonic speed even though the air moving past the aircraft is moving at mach 2.8... fuel is added and is blasted out the back to generate thrust to keep the aircraft flying... with a scramjet motor the air going in to the engine can be coming in at mach 2.8 and the fuel added and burned means it could be coming out much much faster which means a lot more energetic thrust to accelerate to much higher speeds... remember with a normal engine the air coming in needs to be slowed down to subsonic... with a scramjet the faster it is going the faster it comes in the faster it goes out so for a scramjet moving faster gives more thrust, while with a turbojet moving faster means you need to slow the incoming air more or the engine will choke on supersonic air and stall...

With a turbojet engine there are fan blades moving the air through the engine... as you approach top speed there is a risk of those blades breaking and shattering the entire engine like a fragmentation bomb.

It is like ground speed records... for very high speed cars and motorbikes you can't use rubber because at very high road speeds the tires shred themselves and disintegrate...

A scramjet motor for artillery shells would be interesting... you might launch the shell at 900m/s or faster but a scramjet motor has no theoretical top speed... obviously in practise there are lots of factors but you could probably easily design a scramjet shell able to accelerate to perhaps 2 or 3 km/s and perhaps maintain that speed for a minute or two... remember the higher it climbs the thinner the air becomes and the more efficient a jet engine becomes...

Range on its own of course it pointless... it would need accuracy too... talk of 170km range 152mm Coalition shells suggests propulsion and guidance and perhaps a reduced payload of maybe 5-10kgs... with enough accuracy that should be enough to take out a vehicle or MG or sniper position... together with rather high terminal speed it could be quite devastating.

Of course at shorter ranges a 40kg shell might be more effective against heavier targets like bunkers or heavily structured buildings...

About the BTR-87 that debuted at Army-2017, I didn't realize it then but it looks like it got's a 'low-cost' derivative Epoch turret.

Russia developing new reconnaissance armored vehicle

The Mars-2000 new reconnaissance combat vehicle will be created on the basis of the BTR-82

MOSCOW, May 27. /TASS/. Russia is developing the latest Mars-2000 reconnaissance combat vehicle based on the BTR-82 armored personnel carrier, CEO of Military Industrial Company (the producer of the BTR-82 and vehicles on its basis) Alexander Krasovitsky told TASS on Wednesday.

"Work is underway to create the Mars-2000 new reconnaissance combat vehicle on the basis of the BTR-82. Also, an option is being considered to develop the Sosna short-range self-propelled surface-to-air missile system based on the BTR-82," the chief executive said.

Special vehicles are also being developed on the basis of the BTR-82 armored personnel carrier, he said.

"The Taifun-M anti-saboteur combat vehicle based on the BTR-82 and created at the Strela Research and Production Association has been among newly-developed hardware. It is designated to shield mobile missile systems of the Strategic Missile Force," Krasovitsky said.

"As new weapon systems or special equipment appear and given the need to create their wheeled versions, the basis of the BTR-82 armored personnel carrier will be in demand because unlike other armored wheeled chassis, it can negotiate water obstacles afloat," the chief executive added.

At the same time, there are no plans to use the BTR-82 chassis for developing civilian wheeled vehicles, the chief executive said.

"The development of civilian vehicles based on the BTR-82 is not being considered so far: the BTR-80 base copes with this task quite well. In case of the need of developing a civilian vehicle based on the BTR-82 chassis, Military Industrial Company will do it," Krasovitsky said.

Military Industrial Company is Russia’s largest producer of wheeled armored hardware.

https://tass.com/defense/1160915

Sosna anti-aircraft missile system can be installed on BTR-82 - VPK General Director

https://www.militarynews.ru/story.asp?rid=1&nid=533130&lang=RU

dino00 wrote:Sosna anti-aircraft missile system can be installed on BTR-82 - VPK General Director

https://www.militarynews.ru/story.asp?rid=1&nid=533130&lang=RU

I am surprised it's taken this long. On threads years ago myself and others mentioned many systems could be mounted on btr-80 from AD systems(inc AA guns), anti tank, bigger guns 57mm, automatic 82mm mortars,  list is endless. I am very surprised they never put strelets, dihgit systems, or Zom-1SM etc these have been around for years
*Zom-1SM = zu-23-2 remote controlled with either four igla -S or strela-10.

This is long expwcted decision to place Sosna on BTR-82 chassis. Russian army need wheeled air defense complexes to protect wheeled motorized units and transport convoys. Tracked armor units will have Sosna and Derivatsia-PVO on BMP-3 chassis as their VSHORAD and AAA protecion (Tor-M2 is tracked SHORAD). In wheeled units Gibka-S on Tiger-M will be VSHORAD and Sosna on BTR-82 will be SHORAD and both could use the same command post with Barnaul-T in Tigr-M vehicle. Sosna on BTR-82 will be actual replacement for OSA-AKM, which is now the only wheeled air defense complex in the army, all others are tracked.

Regarding AA guns on BTR-82, I woild not place 57 mm gun on it as it is too powerful for BTR-82. Don't forget, that BTR-82 doesn't have the best precision with its 30 mm 2A72 gun. AA gun version should have a new turret with 30 mm GSh-30-2, which also use standard 30x165 mm rounds. 30 mm gun have better range than 23 mm gun and Russia also developed air burst 30x165 ammunition with distant non contact fuse, which 23 mm gun doesn't have. 57 mm gun could be conditionaly used on heavier Bumerang vehicle, which could better handle its power. Wheeled vehicles are not as stable as tracked ones.

The wheeled units would be Boomerang units, so air defence vehicles in those forces will have their own airdefence models... ie 57mm gun Boomerangs and SOSNA (Pine) missiles and also Kornet carrying vehicles etc etc...

This wheeled BTR-82 Pine carrying model will be much cheaper to buy and to operate and with a good land anchor should be able to get itself out of soft terrain like mud or snow as well as an tracked vehicle could. Its mobility on roads should be excellent too as well as its speed.

Pine is a replacement for SA-9 and SA-13 missiles... TOR is the better replacement for OSA, but certainly a totally passive air defence vehicle like Pine would be tough to find and protect yourself from for most attack aircraft.... its 10km missile range makes it very dangerous to helicopters and CAS aircraft and its laser beam riding guidance makes it very tough to stop and its high velocity gives little time to react for the target.

Looking at the model above those missiles look rather bigger than the ones shown previously... I seem to remember the Pine missiles as not being that much longer than the Shturm/Ataka/Krisantema missiles... maybe I am getting old.

It will be a long way until most of the units will be equipped with Bumerang. Until then the BTR-82 will fill the gaps, just like the BMP-3 forms now the base for new tracked vehicles in supporting roles.

Hole wrote:

The advantage over the normal sosna is that this one can carry 6 or so soldiers with MANPADs and probably some reloads rounds inside the vehicle allowing the reload by the crew without the need of another vehicle.