Syrian Civil War: News #8

KiloGolf wrote:

Kriva wrote:FSA in Allepo operation room with Russian T-90 tank that they captured from SAA Tiger forces.
https://twitter.com/Conflicts/status/741299896729411584

I'm still not convinced, by the patch.
Not that a single MBT capture is big news, but I do detect the propaganda points these FSA moderates are trying to achieve.

Militarov wrote: Still sort of sux...

As my commanding officer once said: "Only worse thing than losing equipment, is arming your enemy with it". There is reason why we all despite not being frontline unit had handgrenades and rifles issued.

Islamist rebels capture their first T-90 tank from the Syrian Army in Aleppo
By Chris Tomson - 10/06/2016 11

During a Syrian Arab Army (SAA) offensive in northern Aleppo yesterday, rebels not only repelled the attack, but also captured a newly delivered Russian manufactured T-90 tank.

The heist was showcased on social media by Harakat Nour al-Din al-Zenki, an Islamist group operating in the Aleppo governorate.

Al-Masdar News investigated the claim with a military source embedded with the SAA’s Tiger Forces and can confirm the loss of one T-90 tank during yesterday’s battle.

According to the source, the tank suddenly malfunctioned, having suffered a complete power cut that rendered it useless. The tank crew then attempted to reboot the T-90 tank, but it failed to comply.

Subsequently, Syrian soldiers of the Tiger Forces dropped grenades into the tank and were forced to abandon it under heavy fire from insurgent positions.

The tank malfunction played a key role in obstructing yesterday’s offensive as it disrupted the Tiger Forces’ assault formation, forcing Major General Suheil al-Hassan to pull his troops back to their original positions on the outskirts of the Al-Mallah Farms.

https://www.almasdarnews.com/article/islamist-rebels-capture-first-t-90-tank-syrian-army-aleppo/ | Al-Masdar News

sepheronx wrote:Well, it was bound to happen.  M1A1's were captured by terrorists in Iraq as example.  1 T-90 tank isn't really a large lost especially since its shtora is broken and possibly other optics.  So afterwards, it was probably abandoned.  I wonder why the SAA didn't bother to burn the tank is kinda beyond me.

Nothing in there to learn though for US.  Early 90's T-90 tanks were OK, Kontact 5 and such are great but not nearly as good as T-90A and T-72B3M.  I think US had plenty of time to look into Kontact 5 through T-80U's in the past.

Regardless, a loss for SAA since such a machine has proven quite worthy for them.  Idiots they are for losing it without torching it afterwards to prevent the enemy from gaining access.

sepheronx wrote:I think US had plenty of time to look into Kontact 5 through T-80U's in the past.

Kriva wrote:

KiloGolf wrote:

Kriva wrote:FSA in Allepo operation room with Russian T-90 tank that they captured from SAA Tiger forces.
https://twitter.com/Conflicts/status/741299896729411584

I'm still not convinced, by the patch.
Not that a single MBT capture is big news, but I do detect the propaganda points these FSA moderates are trying to achieve.

https://twitter.com/bm21_grad/status/741261834397831170

IvanSidorenko claims that this skinny rat is terrorist.

PapaDragon wrote:Yup, T-90 is export bestseller so no mysteries there. You could learn lot more from looking into Indian or Algerian tanks than these old initial batch clunkers.

"France began the construction of the base like the us. The French base will be built on the Mishta Nur hill located above the town of Kobane from the South-East side," said the source, adding that the base will serve to embed French military experts and advisers stationed in the area.

The source added that in the town of Manbij in Aleppo province is French and British experts, also there are American experts who advise the "Democratic forces of Syria" (SDF) in the fight against the terrorist group "Islamic state" (IG, is prohibited in Russia).

PapaDragon wrote:So malfunction of one tank caused this brilliant "General" to order full retreat of his "heroic" troops to their original positions?

Holy shit, those WW2 idiots were doing it all wrong!

KiloGolf wrote:I'm getting defector vibes out of this guy.

Dima wrote:

PapaDragon wrote:So malfunction of one tank caused this brilliant "General" to order full retreat of his "heroic" troops to their original positions?

Holy shit, those WW2 idiots were doing it all wrong!

Please give us the forces structure and details regarding how many tanks/armored vehicles and troops were involved in the operation, objective of the operations and the plans.

You seems to know too much about everything happening on the ground sitting behind your computer hundreds of km away from the battlefield.

I'm curious to know what really happened which brought us to see that T-90 falling into the hands of the terrorists, so your insight would be helpful.

PapaDragon wrote:

KiloGolf wrote:

sepheronx wrote:I think US had plenty of time to look into Kontact 5 through T-80U's in the past.

Yeap, the British were first to stage an order "for Morocco" and channel the tanks to the UK (T-80U). Then you have Ukraine selling out hundreds of T-80UD to... Pakistan. And then there's ROK (not sure if they got Shtora-1).

At this stage K5 is a known quantity.

Yup, T-90 is export bestseller so no mysteries there. You could learn lot more from looking into Indian or Algerian tanks than these old initial batch clunkers.

sepheronx wrote:

KiloGolf wrote:

PapaDragon wrote:Yup, T-90 is export bestseller so no mysteries there. You could learn lot more from looking into Indian or Algerian tanks than these old initial batch clunkers.

Still Russia ought to tag any MBTs given as assistance to SAA with GLONASS and monitor their whereabouts.

You know, that is a great idea and I wonder if they ever did anything like that?  Should at least.  Russia would gain a lot to putting Glonass trackers onboard.