S-300V Army SAM System

Antey-4000 is an export version of the S-300V4

Hole wrote:

The long awaited wheeled version of S300 V4

What is the artillery piece on the bottom right ? New or some old old stuff ?

Isos wrote:What is the artillery piece on the bottom right ? New or some old old stuff ?

It appears to be a 57mm ZIS-2 from the 1940s.

Isos wrote:What is the artillery piece on the bottom right ? New or some old old stuff ?

It is some WWII exhibit given the placard behind it. From the parts that I can see it looks like the message is: everything for the front.
With the insinuation that today Russia is not less willing and able than during WWII. Something the maggot deciders of the west clearly
do not understand.

Looks to good to just export it.

It is an Army system of course... the S-300VM was called Antei-2500 in its export model so perhaps this Antei-4000 is the export model of the S300V4 mounted on a wheeled vehicle.

A wheeled vehicle will be lighter and cheaper and have better mobility over roads, so units with wheeled vehicles or largely stationary forces would benefit with having wheeled versions, but for models intended to operate with tracked vehicles would require normal tracked model vehicles.

I would think the reduced price and lowered operating costs would more than make up for the reduced tactical mobility in some places.

Operations in places with good road networks would actually be improved because a wheeled vehicle can move further and faster on a road than any tracked vehicle...

Nice pictures.

Isos wrote:It seems to be a new system.

What is interesting is that the information chart only shows two twin launchers for the bigger missile.

In the original system the bigger missiles are used against ballistic targets over longer distances, while the smaller missiles were used against cruise missiles and bombers and fighter aircraft, so this new system is perhaps being pitched as a light mobile ABM system... a sort of Russian THAAD... but obviously cheaper and more capable...

S-300V versions are meant to follow the ground forces. This seems to be an ABM with the S-500's radar to protect against 3000km range or less ballistic missiles targets like cities or high value targets but not strategic ones. That's why it is wheeled.

It's called "Abakan" according to the picture btw. I would say it's a cheap and less capable S-500. THAAD is a strateguc defence system, this one is not.

I think you should move it into the S-500/400 thread.

Antei 4000.

But the truck has the mast-mounted radar which is normaly associated with the smaller missile (to be able to shot down cruise missiles and low-flying aircraft)

Hole wrote:But the truck has the mast-mounted radar which is normaly associated with the smaller missile (to be able to shot down cruise missiles and low-flying aircraft)

Are you serious ? See your post 240. I though the same back in the time and you showed me this pic

I thought this would be Antey-4000 but it is Abakan, sorry. It seems a wheel based S-300V4, missiles are 9M82MD3 according to the chart, and the canisters are externally identical to those. It may make perfect sense, since the S-300V4 missiles were specifically designed against BM and proved to be very good, so it would be logical to use them also for the protection of fixed targets and not only of ground forces.

LMFS wrote:I thought this would be Antey-4000 but it is Abakan, sorry. It seems a wheel based S-300V4, missiles are 9M82MD3 according to the chart, and the canisters are externally identical to those. It may make perfect sense, since the S-300V4 missiles were specifically designed against BM and proved to be very good, so it would be logical to use them also for the protection of fixed targets and not only of ground forces.

It seems to also use S-500 radars making it even better compare to S-300VM/V4.

Isos wrote:

Hole wrote:But the truck has the mast-mounted radar which is normaly associated with the smaller missile (to be able to shot down cruise missiles and low-flying aircraft)

Are you serious ? See your post 240. I though the same back in the time and you showed me this pic

This radar can´t be erected.

PU 51P6E2 SAM "Abakan"

Quote from the press release of the Almaz-Antey VKO Concern:
Highly mobile multichannel anti-aircraft missile system of non-strategic missile defense 98Р6Е "Abakan" is designed to engage modern and future non-strategic ballistic missiles in the defense of strategic important military-industrial facilities, government and administrative state buildings.

Official information on launchers and air defense systems.
The poster of the air defense missile system depicts an MFRLS with two launchers. The developer of the air defense missile system is NIEMI (as part of the NPO Almaz), and the PU is the Machine-Building Plant. Kalinin (MZiK).
Judging by the posters, the main means of destruction of the complex are 9M82MDE anti-aircraft missiles, which can also be used in the Antey-4000 air defense system.

Basic performance characteristics:
Max range of destruction of OTR - 30 km
Max height of destruction of ballistic targets - 25 km
Number of 9M82MDE missiles on launchers - 2
SAM preparation time - 7.5 s
Interval between launches - up to 2 s
Mass of launchers with ammunition - 53.5 t
Combat crew - 2 people
Deployment / collapse time - no more than 6 min
Max movement speed - 60 km / h


The presented PU and SAM "Abakan" are exclusively a product for a foreign customer. At present, the VKO Concern is actively promoting anti-aircraft systems and complexes created in the process of deep modernization of the S-300V air defense system. These are Antey-2500 and Antey-4000, attached to the 9A383E launcher for the Viking air defense system, and the new 51P6E2 launcher with anti-missiles. To be continued!








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This seems to be an ABM with the S-500's radar to protect against 3000km range or less ballistic missiles targets like cities or high value targets but not strategic ones.

For a country like India where its potential enemies are on its border it will be missiles of ranges of 3,000km and less that will be the problem.

That's why it is wheeled.

The only reason the S-300Vs are tracked is because they have to operate with army units that are also tracked. The Air Force equivalent is the S-300P which of course is wheeled.

It's called "Abakan" according to the picture btw. I would say it's a cheap and less capable S-500.

Will be cheaper, but is also probably available sooner as it is a for export mobile ABM system.

Will be interesting to find out its performance specs... it should be able to match S-400 because that is its Air Force equivalent... 4.8km/s targets?

THAAD is a strateguc defence system, this one is not.

THAAD does not have the performance to engage strategic missiles... isn't the TH for Theatre... as in theatre based ABM system.

Both would likely be placed to defend major airfields and cities and HQs or government or ports etc...

The Russians wont use it as a strategic system, but export countries likely will.

I think you should move it into the S-500/400 thread.

It is clearly S-300V related, and fits here. The S-500 will likely be split out of the S-400 thread as more info becomes available too.

But the truck has the mast-mounted radar which is normaly associated with the smaller missile (to be able to shot down cruise missiles and low-flying aircraft)

My understanding is that that radar antenna on the pole on both launchers is a data link used to communicate with the missiles in flight and don't scan or track targets as such. They have separate and rather large search and tracking radar vehicles...

It may make perfect sense, since the S-300V4 missiles were specifically designed against BM and proved to be very good, so it would be logical to use them also for the protection of fixed targets and not only of ground forces.

The S-300V4 is a good system but its tracked chassis make it more expensive to operate and own... I think a wheeled family would appeal to more potential users... and certainly make it more mobile and cheaper to operate and own...

This radar can´t be erected.

AFAIK they are datalink antennas. The one for the cruise missiles and low flying fighters or bombers benefits from being elevated when engaging low flying targets so the missile going after such targets can maintain communication link (line of sight), but for ballistic targets if the target gets so low the datalink can't communicate with the intercepting missile it is already too late...

Illuminator radars

Max range of destruction of OTR - 30 km
Max height of destruction of ballistic targets - 25 km

These seem like fairly underwhelming stats for pretty big missiles

Due to the steep ballistic trajectory of their targets...

S-400 has a similar range against BM. Pac-3 is even smaller.

BM come from the top and enters their engagement zone in a different way than a fighter. Their speed also limits the range at which they can be intercepted.

Cruise missiles also stay bellow the radar coverage and are detected only 20-30km away.

First time I see a launch by s-300V4. Impressive missile.

https://mobile.twitter.com/RALee85/status/1302770557608484864

Quite a significant difference in cold launch height for the S-300V and S-300P/400 family...

Note how high the missile goes at the start of the video... it actually leaves the shot before the solid rocket motor starts, while near the end of the video... at about 10-5 seconds left of video footage we see the S-400 launch and it does not climb up nearly as high before the solid rocket motor kicks in...

Videos of S300V launchers are much more rare than S-300P and S-400 launches, but there are other videos out there... nice find.