Project 971: Akula class

Granat not Granit.

My point stands... land attack and anti ship missile carrying subs are SSGNs as neither are ballistic nor are they considered strategic missile.

Granat was the basis for kalibr family. It was not accurate enough for high precision strikes so it was mostly nuclear armed.

GLONASS didn't exist when it was operational so its 250-300m CEP accuracy without terminal guidance made it a nuclear only weapon and mainly for trashing cities, which is pretty much all they wanted it for. (they didn't want a first strike potential so hitting silos is pointless because they will be empty by the time any cruise missile reaches them...)

All Granats had nuke warheads and were therefore of very limited use.

It is nowhere near Kalibr in terms of capabilities.

Kalibrs accuracy means it can use conventional warheads which makes it usable.

Its the same size and overall config of the INF-compliant 9M728 yet Murican lying shitbags insist it has 6x the range.... stupid is as stupid does...

Claim the other guy broke the agreement so you can break it too... oldie but still works... obviously...

and no-one has seen Kashalot since she vanished back into Amur yard.

Name like that maybe a Saudi hit squad murdered and dismembered it by accident or for practise?

You could describe them that way, but even with 4,500km range upgraded models they have never been counted in START or SALT agreements... only ICBMs, SLBMs and air launched cruise missiles. IRBMs and land based cruise missiles and ship based cruise missiles were not limited until the INF treaty which limited land based ballistic and cruise missiles.

Big_Gazza wrote:

Isos wrote:Maybe they will lease it to India ?

Maybe. She looks in better condition that Bratsk or Samara, and no-one has seen Kashalot since she vanished back into Amur yard.  

Samara is going to be leased to India
Kashalot seems has been removed from service

Nuclear submarine Tiger to be put back into operation by 2024

https://flotprom.ru/2020/%D0%9D%D0%B5%D1%80%D0%BF%D0%B01/

By the end of 2023, the Tiger multipurpose nuclear submarine of Project 971 (code "Shchuka-B"), which is now at the Nerpa plant, will return to combat duty. This was announced on Monday, February 3, Izvestia, citing sources in the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation.

After the repair and modernization are completed, the submarine will seriously increase its strike power, having received the Caliber cruise missiles. At the same time, the Tiger will maintain its main quality - noiselessness, the source said........
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Always thought Akula was one of the coolest names for a submarine class.

I like the name shark too, but the problem is that the Project 971 is actually called Pike... it is the west that calls it Akula... the sub the west calls Typhoon is the sub the Soviets and Russians call Akula.... project 941...

mnztr wrote:Seems like they are picking up the pace on Akula recommissioning:

https://112.international/russia/first-modernized-akula-attack-submarine-returns-to-northern-fleet-49824.html

Always thought Akula was one of the coolest names for a submarine class.

So it will carry Kalibr missiles?

George1 wrote:

mnztr wrote:Seems like they are picking up the pace on Akula recommissioning:

https://112.international/russia/first-modernized-akula-attack-submarine-returns-to-northern-fleet-49824.html

Always thought Akula was one of the coolest names for a submarine class.

So it will carry Kalibr missiles?

Onyx would make more sense for Akulas

Ground targets are not exactly on their kill list

Kalibrs are more suited for diesel electric subs, low priority targets (compared to enemy vessels) in closer proximity to Russia

GarryB wrote:

Always thought Akula was one of the coolest names for a submarine class.

I like the name shark too, but the problem is that the Project 971 is actually called Pike... it is the west that calls it Akula... the sub the west calls Typhoon is the sub the Soviets and Russians call Akula.... project 941...

The pike is a pretty ferocious fresh water fish, a very real and efficient killer. Difficult to eat as well without lots of flushing with water. The Russians chose the name well, pity about NATO but then they probably really worried about it.

There is now way a 971 can fire Onyx barring some kind of magic. But Kalibr could probably be fired even from unupgraded 971s, all you really need is a laptop to plug in coordinates into the missile before you stick it into the tube and launch it, obviously this is a very subpar setup compared to actually having the proper control software in the new multifunction terminals Vepr is probably getting.

x_54_u43 wrote:There is now way a 971 can fire Onyx barring some kind of magic. But Kalibr could probably be fired even from unupgraded 971s, all you really need is a laptop to plug in coordinates into the missile before you stick it into the tube and launch it, obviously this is a very subpar setup compared to actually having the proper control software in the new multifunction terminals Vepr is probably getting.

So Onyx is not capable of being tube fired and requires VLS

Thanks for​ clarification, been wondering about that

So it will carry Kalibr missiles?

The current Kalibr family (export name Club for the types available for export) are 533mm calibre and are designed to be launched from torpedo tube and from UKSK launchers.

Newer longer ranged missiles of larger calibre are being developed to better fill out the UKSK tubes which will become standard on new and upgraded ships and subs...

Onyx would make more sense for Akulas

It would but too big for torpedo tubes...

Ground targets are not exactly on their kill list

In their original role that is true, but reintroduced they might use them for other tasks as they are no longer state of the art to face Virginias and Seawolfs.

Kalibrs are more suited for diesel electric subs, low priority targets (compared to enemy vessels) in closer proximity to Russia

Not really... and certainly the new Kalibrs with 5,000km flight ranges they are actually strategic missiles with a nuke warhead...

Kaliber also has an anti-ship missile with a very long range and supersonic terminal stage. It can also go out the torpedo tubes which is nice.

Indeed... it is in fact ironic that the export models of Club mean the subsonic/supersonic club is limited in flight range to 300km, which really does not take advantage of the range boost the subsonic turbojet powered section could give to the supersonic portion... have heard comments regarding the domestic version suggesting the subsonic portion can fly 1,500km... with the rocket portion then delivering the payload 50km to the target at very low altitude...

Kalibr with supersonic terminal phase is in some way better than oniks. It can cruise at very low altitude all the way while oniks will fly high a big part of the way and could be detected by long range L band radars or awacs.

To maximise flight range most subsonic missiles will fly at medium altitude at a relatively low throttle setting to maximise range and only drop low perhaps 400-500km from the target area... it would increase flight range and keep detection potential minimised. Most of their missiles will have sensors to detect enemy radar emissions so any radar scanning for them would be detected and likely cause them to dive down to near sea level...

So Onyx is not capable of being tube fired and requires VLS

The 0.7m calibre Onyx wont fit in a 533mm nor a 650mm torpedo tube so it would need to be operating with a Corvette or other sub equipped to launch Onyx.