Russian Assault Rifles/Carbines/Machine Guns Thread: #1

http://www.gunsholstersandgear.com/2016/01/19/ak-alpha-rifle-from-kalashnikov-usa/

Damn Foxy you were quickie.

KoTeMoRe wrote:http://www.gunsholstersandgear.com/2016/01/19/ak-alpha-rifle-from-kalashnikov-usa/

Damn Foxy you were quickie.

I'd rather have an Ak-12. I don't really like CAA's style.

That said, I think if the price is right, I know a few people who would be interested in that rifle. It has a lot of features you have to pay a lot of money to get on other rifles.

Zivo wrote:

KoTeMoRe wrote:http://www.gunsholstersandgear.com/2016/01/19/ak-alpha-rifle-from-kalashnikov-usa/

Damn Foxy you were quickie.

I'd rather have an Ak-12. I don't really like CAA's style.

That said, I think if the price is right, I know a few people who would be interested in that rifle.

Well AK USA is CAA more or less.

CAA for the rest of you heathens is Combat Arms USA a US company that started mainly as a Israeli gear importer from Combat Arms Tactical the mother company.

Going back in time, an interesting general read on the DP, for those like me who know little of Russia's past weapons.

http://warisboring.com/articles/the-dp-machine-gun-looks-funny-but-spilled-a-lot-of-blood/

JohninMK wrote:Going back in time, an interesting general read on the DP, for those like me who know little of Russia's past weapons.

http://warisboring.com/articles/the-dp-machine-gun-looks-funny-but-spilled-a-lot-of-blood/

That article is so characteristically shitty, I don't know what to think about it.

The DP (which actually went from Fedorov-Degytaryov 20/23 to Degytaryov 26/27/28) was as interesting as it was universally weird. The Lewis gun is nowhere to be seen in the action of the DP.

Max Popenker just did a piece about the Fedorov, personally I knew much of the details about the Rifle and its "MG offspring", but Max went a bit further.

http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2016/02/22/brief-history-russian-fedorov-avtomat-rifle/

Basically, If you want to know about military things, just don't go at warisboring. They're scrubs.

AK 400 Series:

Looks functional, even if it isn't pretty. A budget solution to modernizing the service rifle idea.

Elbows wrote:Looks functional, even if it isn't pretty.  A budget solution to modernizing the service rifle idea.

It actually doubles the price of the 103...but the 103 was already cheaper than dirt so no sweat.

Ouch. What niche does this fill? Aimed at military adoption or export/civilian sales?

Elbows wrote:Ouch.  What niche does this fill?  Aimed at military adoption or export/civilian sales?  

Kalashnikov lads targeted Trump supporters niche as he would be the one recalling #lolsanctions. AK-400 series would be sold in US like hotcakes. Kalashnikov can cook their stuff for civilians tho Europussian and Russian markets are just a fraction compared to Untitled States gun nuts. Amerikanskies love 7,62x39. They love tacticool shit too, so they can hang it like it's a Xmas tree. Looks like best rail mount for AK systems. Not sure why it still have selector that predates Christ, but whatever. Recoil, stability, ergonomics puts it on top of it's game. I trust Vickers here. It's pre production model so it can change, but overall I have no doubt Kalashnikov will dominate and they are going luxury.

Elbows wrote:Ouch.  What niche does this fill?  Aimed at military adoption or export/civilian sales?  

No this is a vengeance project from Dragunov against the Kalashnikov guys. The AK400 is a shrunk Dragunov action, short stroke gas piston, that seems to have retained MOST of the innards of the Dragunov system for half the rifle. This means that the rifle we saw back that had short receiver like an AK, might be the "DMR" variant of this thing.

My apologies to The Armenian, sometimes there's more that meets the eye.

Basically the AK group has found a quick doobie with this. It's effective, accurate and they had the dibs to make it. For almost NO major redesign (they build the SVD systems), so they only chopped and smoothed the SVD bolt and carrier, and pushed it down and AK receiver.

Regular wrote:

Elbows wrote:Ouch.  What niche does this fill?  Aimed at military adoption or export/civilian sales?  

Kalashnikov lads targeted Trump supporters niche as he would be the one recalling #lolsanctions. AK-400 series would be sold in US like hotcakes. Kalashnikov can cook their stuff for civilians tho Europussian and Russian markets are just a fraction compared to Untitled States gun nuts.  Amerikanskies love 7,62x39. They love tacticool shit too, so they can hang it like it's a Xmas tree. Looks like best rail mount for AK systems. Not sure why it still have selector that predates Christ, but whatever. Recoil, stability, ergonomics puts it on top of it's game. I trust Vickers here. It's pre production model so it can change, but overall I have no doubt Kalashnikov will dominate and they are going luxury.

Hey, as an American AK user, we're not all like that. I'm sure you guys would be fine running my "go to" rig.




14,000 rounds and running strong. Accurate, light-weight, robust.

Elbows, that is a very fine looking AK.

Elbows wrote:

Regular wrote:

Elbows wrote:Ouch.  What niche does this fill?  Aimed at military adoption or export/civilian sales?  

Kalashnikov lads targeted Trump supporters niche as he would be the one recalling #lolsanctions. AK-400 series would be sold in US like hotcakes. Kalashnikov can cook their stuff for civilians tho Europussian and Russian markets are just a fraction compared to Untitled States gun nuts.  Amerikanskies love 7,62x39. They love tacticool shit too, so they can hang it like it's a Xmas tree. Looks like best rail mount for AK systems. Not sure why it still have selector that predates Christ, but whatever. Recoil, stability, ergonomics puts it on top of it's game. I trust Vickers here. It's pre production model so it can change, but overall I have no doubt Kalashnikov will dominate and they are going luxury.

Hey, as an American AK user, we're not all like that.   I'm sure you guys would be fine running my "go to" rig.




14,000 rounds and running strong.  Accurate, light-weight, robust.  

I think that for all purposes that is sweet.

But really, I'm puzzled and pissed off about the 400. Because it should be called the AD 400.

wilhelm wrote:Elbows, that is a very fine looking AK.

Thanks! I have two of them, been carrying/shooting them for about 10 years now.

Hello from the other side.

KoTeMoRe wrote:

Hello from the other side.

Kicks like a mule. Must be 7,62x39. So Russian army will finally get squad automatic weapon as RPK is not being issued no more (according to some members here)

Well, again de should call this the RPD.

... Aaaaand longer video with description.

Rifle is available in both calibres. Also NOT an RPK, ths is clearly a Dragunov design. So Ima call this RPD-400.

Rifle is available in both calibres. Also NOT an RPK, ths is clearly a Dragunov design. So Ima call this RPD-400.

Errr... if it is not a light machine gun (ie RPD-400) then it should be an AD-400 by your own logic...

Elbows wrote:

wilhelm wrote:Elbows, that is a very fine looking AK.

Thanks!  I have two of them, been carrying/shooting them for about 10 years now.  

No household should be without one

GarryB wrote:

Rifle is available in both calibres. Also NOT an RPK, ths is clearly a Dragunov design. So Ima call this RPD-400.

Errr... if it is not a light machine gun (ie RPD-400) then it should be an AD-400 by your own logic...

It's a light machine gun. Strengthened reciever, longer heavier barrel, RPD as in Ruchnoy Pulemet Dragunov, Not RPK (Ruchnoy Pulemet Kalashnikov)

I would like to come back to the info that was available then (end of 2015)

KoTeMoRe wrote:

Arctic_Fox wrote:

Yeah, but did you see the AK12SN





BTW the new bolt on the AK12, it's rumoured to be almost 30% lighter from the previous 74M (which was already lighter than the AKM).

Still hate the damn rifle. Gib AN/AEK pls.

Oh and as I previously stated the NPZ PSU-1/4 (here in its Wolf Performance livery) is going to become the Russian Combat sight for Ratnik. Back in the race guys.





Wallahi Bilahi the Juice did this ;-) .

So basically we now know how the bolt and bolt carrier was a good chunk lighter than the AK. It wasn't an AK-style system It was a Dragunov...

The AK-12 retains the long stroke piston, for now.

How come Kalashnikov suddenly rediscovered Dragunov? SVU-A was pretty much fully automatic SVD.

Regular wrote:How come Kalashnikov suddenly rediscovered Dragunov? SVU-A was pretty much fully automatic SVD.

Because the other option was probably too complex and prone to issues. And also it can be exported without much of a problem. There will have to be a

This is the AK12 bolt carrier.



As you can see they already made it lighter by gutting it in order to put the internal brush. But that possibly led to structural question marks about this rifle.

Dragunov has also make his own compact assault rifle (and a damn good one as well, "polymer" receiver when it wasn't cool).

They didn't rediscover it, they pulled another Izhmash (the AK 400 was tested as the Ak 103-4 during Ratnik proposals) by simply finding a middle ground. The Dragunov is a "more accurate" system, there's less impulse proportionally from the travelling bolt to the rear dust cover, the said dust cover CAN be railed, the AK sadly cannot without a contraption.

Also looks eerily like the Simonov prototypes, also property of Izhmash...I'd need a full strip to point out the innards, but clearly, it looks like Izhmash is going the Norinco route with a Kalashnistein of a rifle.