Russian Assault Rifles/Carbines/Machine Guns Thread: #1

franco wrote:"Kalashnikov" choice

Automatic "Warriors" will choose by year's end
Close to completing the advanced testing machine AK-12, which, together with another product of the concern "Kalashnikov" - the AK-15 and upgraded AEK-971 of the plant. Degtyareva can be used as a base of small arms in battle gear "Warrior". This was announced by the head of state corporation "Rostec" Sergei Chemezov.

According to him, after the inspection machines will pass on trial operation in troops. And only by its results in the Defense Ministry will decide which product to adopt the "hope that the decision will be made in the current year", - quotes "Interfax" the words Chemezov.

Recall that he "Warrior" has massively supplied to military units. According to the Commander of the Land Forces Oleg Salyukova, last year it received about 80 thousand. Soldiers and officers. But with a small arsenal of the "warrior" clarity is still no. Please recommend successfully passed state tests, and tested in the army sniper rifle SVD-M and the automatic grenade launcher AGS-30. As well as two versions of the upgraded machine gun "Pecheneg" - single and 6P69 6P41M for special forces.

According to the Central Research Institute of precision engineering composed 6P69 device includes a low-noise shooting and rails for the installation of optical sights and night. 6P41M version compared to the base "Pechenegs" also received the bar for the sights, and more - adjustable in length, change the position of the bipod.

As for the base machine for "Warrior", after much hesitation, customers seem to have stopped on the Izhevsk AK-12 caliber 5.45 mm. Among its advantages, experts called the new trigger mechanism that allows to recharge the machine with one hand.

But Kovrov AEK-971 has a balanced automation, reducing the knock of the weapon. But crucial to the dispute of the two machines can be not only their technical characteristics. In case certain economic factors intervene. Deputy Defense Minister Yuri Borisov has said that the priority of the AK-12 mainly consists in its price characteristics. Here he compares favorably with AEK-971 they Degtyareva plant. Borisov previously mentioned, the new "Kalashnikov" agency cost just a quarter more expensive than the regular AK. A machine designed to Kovrov, due to the complexity of the design, deployment, its serial production and modernization of the plant will cost considerably more expensive.

Zivo wrote:Trying to find out more about this version of the A545. Supposedly it is more standardized for Army acceptance, utilizing components from this version of the AK-12.

I really hope this image is real, because it is probably my favorite modification of the A545

KoTeMoRe wrote:

Zivo wrote:Trying to find out more about this version of the A545. Supposedly it is more standardized for Army acceptance, utilizing components from this version of the AK-12.

I really hope this image is real, because it is probably my favorite modification of the A545

It's a projection (you can see they couldn't photoshop out the rails for the retractable stock) could be done but would need a couple of real world alterations.

Like for instance the rear serration that keeps the bolt and bolt carrier in the receiver would be locked on a higher position to allow for the folding stock. The retractable rails taken out, the grip is not interesting and the muzzle brake  is also not needed (the original and BARS help way more).

On the plus side, drop mag system is ok and folding stick is indeed preferable IMO.

Zivo wrote:

KoTeMoRe wrote:

Zivo wrote:Trying to find out more about this version of the A545. Supposedly it is more standardized for Army acceptance, utilizing components from this version of the AK-12.

I really hope this image is real, because it is probably my favorite modification of the A545

It's a projection (you can see they couldn't photoshop out the rails for the retractable stock) could be done but would need a couple of real world alterations.

Like for instance the rear serration that keeps the bolt and bolt carrier in the receiver would be locked on a higher position to allow for the folding stock. The retractable rails taken out, the grip is not interesting and the muzzle brake  is also not needed (the original and BARS help way more).

On the plus side, drop mag system is ok and folding stick is indeed preferable IMO.

Oh well.

I wonder why the A545 didn't use standard AK parts when possible. I always thought it would have been more preferable.

GarryB wrote:The rear iron sight and horizontal grooves on the A545 make it look like an HK knockoff in my opinion.

I personally think the Ak12 just looks more practical and has less of a gimmick design.

The balanced recoil mechanism should be used on LMGs and GPMGS but not assault rifles... single shot is accurate enough without balanced recoil mechanism, but with close range full auto you want some bullet spread to increase hit probability.

GarryB wrote:Why would you want to remove the iron sights?

That is like saying an M16 us crap because you can't remove the trigger...

The ability to change sides for the cocking handle is hugely important in my opinion and something the A545 lacks... and the ambidextrous controls are also a huge plus.

I have never been in real armed combat but when hunting I often switch shoulders depending upon the local conditions and situation... having all the controls on both sides makes things easier.

GarryB wrote:

The AK-12 has a removable non permanent Iron sight, it is mounted on a rail.

Well I would count that as a fault for a standard infantry rifle... it is just something they can lose... and why would you ever take it off?

For a special forces rifle that can be adapted to different calibres being able to change the iron sights could be useful for different calibres.

I understand you like the AK-12 for some reason, but you have to face it, the rifle is a hot mess and they need to get their act together,

I like it because it took the AK-74... which I also like by the way, and they went through all the problems and issues... real and otherwise, and addressed pretty much all of them and even added a few interesting extras like the ability to fire NATO standard rifle grenades.

It is the T-90AM of tanks, the Su-35S of Flankers... what is not to like...

The AEK seems rather different but for no obvious advantage other than it is different.

The main advantage it brings is a balanced recoil mechanism and that is only really important in full auto fire... which in my opinion should only be used at short range and at fleeting targets... where precision and tight groups make no sense... a spray improves hit probability.

If a balanced recoil mechanism was so critical then basing the AK12 on the AK-107 instead of the AK-74M is the obvious solution.

PapaDragon wrote:
New LMG based on AK-12


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