RedJasmin Tue Jan 12, 2016 1:52 pm
william.boutros wrote: marat wrote: william.boutros wrote: TheArmenian wrote: marat wrote:Could somebody post some updated information about SU-100 Superjet production; how many of those aircrafts are produced?
And is Su 130 project still alive?
As of today, 18 Superjets produced this year.
http://sdelanounas.ru/blogs/71914/
Well,
the plane didn't live up to its expectations and is not part of a line yet in exception of the long range version.
Indonesia crash, sanctions and lack of good support all hampered the effort to promote the plane in the west.
Unfortunatelly i must agree with you. Plane is in production for quite long time but never reached planed rate of 60-70 per year. Competition in that category now is even bigger with Japan and China in game.
I hope that better days are in front of it, but i am not opptimist any longer. Production will be live and numbers will raise but it will not be big comercial succes.
They need to market the plane more aggressively. Create a support and maintenance network for the plane in countries willing to purchase. They need to further develop new variants of the plane and improve its economy and reliability. All that would not be wasted as you will be building your customer, technological and support base for the entire aviation sector.
It may not be a bad idea to combine military related support facilities for helicopters and jets in foreign countries with civilian ones to improve service in both areas.
william.boutros wrote: marat wrote: william.boutros wrote: TheArmenian wrote: marat wrote:Could somebody post some updated information about SU-100 Superjet production; how many of those aircrafts are produced?
And is Su 130 project still alive?
As of today, 18 Superjets produced this year.
http://sdelanounas.ru/blogs/71914/
Well,
the plane didn't live up to its expectations and is not part of a line yet in exception of the long range version.
Indonesia crash, sanctions and lack of good support all hampered the effort to promote the plane in the west.
Unfortunatelly i must agree with you. Plane is in production for quite long time but never reached planed rate of 60-70 per year. Competition in that category now is even bigger with Japan and China in game.
I hope that better days are in front of it, but i am not opptimist any longer. Production will be live and numbers will raise but it will not be big comercial succes.
They need to market the plane more aggressively. Create a support and maintenance network for the plane in countries willing to purchase. They need to further develop new variants of the plane and improve its economy and reliability. All that would not be wasted as you will be building your customer, technological and support base for the entire aviation sector.
It may not be a bad idea to combine military related support facilities for helicopters and jets in foreign countries with civilian ones to improve service in both areas.
I think they have done pretty much everything they reasonably could have. One of the reasons the project used so many western suppliers, and the whole thing packaged up in the Alenia joint venture was to develop a decent support and marketing presence in western markets, but even then you have cut-throat competition, and are still facing the hurdle that most large airlines have long-standing arrangements with particular manufacturers for engineering support and pilot training, and get very steep discounts on new orders in return for that loyalty. Also, it makes sense for an airline to try to source all aircraft from the same manufacturer, and ideally the same family. Combine that with buying planes being the biggest and most critical financial commitment an airline makes, and asking them to do that from a brand only previously associated with military and small aircraft, and it's a difficult sell.
Easy as it is to criticise from a distance, as new aircraft to rejuvenate the industry in Russia, I would have gone with a modern turboprop family, with 30, 50, 70 and 90 seat options, plus combi and cargo variants around common components (maybe using the IL-114 as a template). Russia has a massive legacy of very old regional turboprops that are life expired, and at the time the SJ was first discussed there was little competition. Since then the Chinese have entered the fray, but their offering (like the Bombadier Q400) is only offered in the 70-80 seat size range. Hopefully the revived IL-114 might start UAC thinking in that direction, but the 114 really needs to be expanded (and shrunk!) to be a true family of aircraft, not a standalone "take it or leave it" offering.