KoTeMoRe wrote:https://twitter.com/RussianEmbassy/status/819106577009414144
Da hells that O.o?
KoTeMoRe wrote:https://twitter.com/RussianEmbassy/status/819106577009414144
Militarov wrote:KoTeMoRe wrote:https://twitter.com/RussianEmbassy/status/819106577009414144
Da hells that O.o?
Militarov wrote:miketheterrible wrote:Boeing is major contributor to titanium valley in Russia.
That said, importance of tu-204 may increase since it uses Russian components and not western. That is if the west follows this be path of theirs.
With Tu-214 canceled and very small number of Tu-204s ordered i dont think it will happen. All resources seem to have been redirected to MS-21. Also one of problems aviation in general needs to be independent is fully developed comestic tooling production (or at least to have lions share in tooling machines production) , work on which started just 2-3 years back and has a very long way to go.
You are not truly independed as long as you are forced to use mainly German, South Korean or Japanese machines, some of which are very specific and are prone to being denied in future.
Promising devyatimestny plane of local airlines, developed by the Siberian Scientific Research Institute of Aviation (SibNIA) may be first presented at the International Aviation and Space Salon MAKS-2017, he said in an interview Rambler News Service (RNS) Deputy Minister of Industry and Trade of the Russian Federation Andrey Boginsky .
"We hope that, at least, it would be desirable, of course, to see one of the first flights next year will be able to see it to the max.", - He said.
According to him, designed to transport from 9 to 19 passenger aircraft developments are based SibNIA. The deputy minister noted that so far sketched-technical project devyatimestnogo airplane is ready. "The works are deployed. Go, in my opinion, the right way. First, based on the flying laboratory An-2 was tested wing prototype. It has proved its efficiency in flight. Then colleagues made sketchily-technical project devyatimestnogo aircraft. Now there is production of components aircraft apparatus ", - quotes RNS A.Boginskogo.
In addition, A.Boginsky said that within the project of regional aviation development is being localized production of L-410 in Yekaterinburg. "Czech partner of the following for any information about the project and sensitive to rumors that the alleged domestic owners want to close the plant in the Czech Republic, and move production to Ekaterinburg This problem is not present." - He said the RNS. The Deputy Minister explained that the Russian side plans - coordination with the aircraft manufacturer Aircraft Industries (Czech Republic) to adapt the production of L-410 to Russian conditions. According A.Boginskogo it more competitive in our market than the Canadian aircraft Twin Otter. The representative of the department said that the Czech aircraft consistent with the priorities and preferences of leasing companies. He also stressed that the company Aircraft Industries Russian shareholders.
Austin wrote:
PROSPECTIVE AIRCRAFT MVL CAN BE PRESENTED AT THE MAKS-2017
http://www.aviaport.ru/digest/2017/01/11/409617.html
Promising devyatimestny plane of local airlines, developed by the Siberian Scientific Research Institute of Aviation (SibNIA) may be first presented at the International Aviation and Space Salon MAKS-2017, he said in an interview Rambler News Service (RNS) Deputy Minister of Industry and Trade of the Russian Federation Andrey Boginsky .
"We hope that, at least, it would be desirable, of course, to see one of the first flights next year will be able to see it to the max.", - He said.
According to him, designed to transport from 9 to 19 passenger aircraft developments are based SibNIA. The deputy minister noted that so far sketched-technical project devyatimestnogo airplane is ready. "The works are deployed. Go, in my opinion, the right way. First, based on the flying laboratory An-2 was tested wing prototype. It has proved its efficiency in flight. Then colleagues made sketchily-technical project devyatimestnogo aircraft. Now there is production of components aircraft apparatus ", - quotes RNS A.Boginskogo.
In addition, A.Boginsky said that within the project of regional aviation development is being localized production of L-410 in Yekaterinburg. "Czech partner of the following for any information about the project and sensitive to rumors that the alleged domestic owners want to close the plant in the Czech Republic, and move production to Ekaterinburg This problem is not present." - He said the RNS. The Deputy Minister explained that the Russian side plans - coordination with the aircraft manufacturer Aircraft Industries (Czech Republic) to adapt the production of L-410 to Russian conditions. According A.Boginskogo it more competitive in our market than the Canadian aircraft Twin Otter. The representative of the department said that the Czech aircraft consistent with the priorities and preferences of leasing companies. He also stressed that the company Aircraft Industries Russian shareholders.
Svyatoslavich wrote:Tu-204MS has been cancelled, UAC is not financing it, all resources go to MS-21 instead.
Consultations are now underway with the industry to select the best options," one of the sources said.
According to the paper, the Russian Defense Ministry and enterprises that are part of Russia’s United Aircraft Corporation are to agree on a "roadmap", decide which aircraft will be taken out of service in the first place and build a production schedule for the plants.
"Tu-154 could be replaced by the SSJ 100 short-haul aircraft, and Il-62 and Tu-154 - by the Tu-214 longer-range plane. The military is presently working on this issue," a source in the industry said.
In August 2016 production site Nizhny Novgorod Aircraft Plant (NAZ) "Sokol" (RAC "MiG" branch) It held a meeting on the implementation of Il-114 program, chaired by President George Slusar KLA. "We nahodimsya in the schedule, which was presented
President of Russia, - said at the end of Yuri Slusar meeting. - Work on the sub-preparation of serial production of Il-114 developed
Back, is in the process of digitization project documentation options are calculated Use touched, made to Tash
Kent plant. This will bring the period of the first flight of the aircraft. Generally project, based cooperative, more than 40%,
According to our calculations, can be are localized but in Nizhny Novgorod and in enterprises Volga Federal District. it
such enterprises as "Gidromash", "Flight" "Heat Exchanger". Final assembly samole that will be carried out at the plant "Sokol". "
IL-114 - the regional turboprop aircraft. Universal transport platform shape provides the ability to create on the basis of passenger IL-114 family of self Mallett various applications - gruzovo- second, the combined passenger and cargo, special aviation aircraft (patrulno- first, health, air command points, aircraft and other aerial photography.) aircraft on the ski-wheeled chassis.
The decision to commercialize pro-production of Il-114 aircraft was made in May 2016. This small machine must ensure that the internal market local air date aircraft in the class of aircraft with ko amount of places up to 52-64. As representatives enterprise-finalists for the project Il-114 will perform the RAC "MiG", composed of NAZ "Sokol" came. final assembly the aircraft will be on the Nizhny city's metropolitan area.
"Russian Industry and Trade Ministry jointly question worked with the Ministry of Finance of Russia funding Il-114 project - he said
Deputy Minister of Industry and Trade of the Russian Federation Andrey Boginsky. - In 2016, the program will be allocated 2.3 bln. rubles financing. These funds will be used to finance the okra, technical re-equipment of production factory and plant production
GOVERNMENTAL cooperation, as well as deployment and maintenance of the system posleprodazh- tion of service. "
Development work on the project the aircraft carries the developer - the company of "IL". The design of the machine will be vnese-
us some change. "Concerning basic aircraft have changing cross V-wing, - says Olga Kruglyakova. -
We are increasing it to be landing a greater angle deviations zakryl Cove and, accordingly, lower landing
speed, the best landing characteristics ki. " Furthermore, due to the fact that the new
IL-114 instead of the previous engine TV7-117S It decided to install its new modification TV7-117SM more traction, improve vzlet-
characteristics of the machine. In the future, the company "IL" considered Vaeth unification of IL-114 motor with the engine
TV7-117ST, which will be put on easily cue military transport aircraft Il-112V. In this case, IL-114 can be based with a maximum take-off weight on the strip length of 1 300 m (now - about 1900 m). This will give a significant improvement vzlet-but and landing characteristics.
In addition, the IL-114 is a replacement part on-board equipment on more up mennoe, so it will be able to achieve full import. For successful crew performing their duties, Il-114-300 is set digital flight control and navigation system, obe-vides taking off and landing in meteouslo tions, the relevant ICAO category II.
All flight and navigation information and information about the aircraft systems dis displayed on the color liquid-five crystal display.
"It is assumed IL-114-Certification 300 on the aviation rules AP-25 - go vorit Olga Kruglyakova. - Who is he certificate of airworthiness standards civil aircraft NLGS-3. True, the first machines that collect on the basis of fuselages, came from Tashkent, will
certified by another NLGS-3, and those which those to be produced from scratch in Russia - on the AP-25. Having a certificate AP-25, they can be sold on the international market. "
Austin wrote:This should agur well for Tu-214 & SSJ 100 program , sadly it took them a huge disaster to realise these old types needs replacement
Russian Defense Ministry plans to stop using Tu-154, Tu-134, Il-62M aircraft
More:
http://tass.com/defense/926196
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Consultations are now underway with the industry to select the best options," one of the sources said.
According to the paper, the Russian Defense Ministry and enterprises that are part of Russia’s United Aircraft Corporation are to agree on a "roadmap", decide which aircraft will be taken out of service in the first place and build a production schedule for the plants.
"Tu-154 could be replaced by the SSJ 100 short-haul aircraft, and Il-62 and Tu-154 - by the Tu-214 longer-range plane. The military is presently working on this issue," a source in the industry said.
TheArmenian wrote:Austin wrote:This should agur well for Tu-214 & SSJ 100 program , sadly it took them a huge disaster to realise these old types needs replacement
Russian Defense Ministry plans to stop using Tu-154, Tu-134, Il-62M aircraft
More:
http://tass.com/defense/926196
"
Consultations are now underway with the industry to select the best options," one of the sources said.
According to the paper, the Russian Defense Ministry and enterprises that are part of Russia’s United Aircraft Corporation are to agree on a "roadmap", decide which aircraft will be taken out of service in the first place and build a production schedule for the plants.
"Tu-154 could be replaced by the SSJ 100 short-haul aircraft, and Il-62 and Tu-154 - by the Tu-214 longer-range plane. The military is presently working on this issue," a source in the industry said.
With the exception of a couple of Tu-154M airliners produced during this decade, all of the above planes are old and will need to be replaced anyways.
So, the above bit of news is a not really news.
If they really need to change out early, before new replacements can be manufactured, there is a glut of all kinds of around 10 year old Western aircraft at crazy low prices they can chose from.
GarryB wrote:.........
BTW according to this news report:
https://sputniknews.com/russia/201701201049802433-russia-tu-154-replace/
There are: Currently, there are 21 Tu-154, 36 Tu-134 and nine Il-62 aircraft in service by the Defense Ministry.
So that is a few aircraft needing replacement...
I agree, to an extent my suggestion was made tongue in cheek. But that is a lot of aircraft to manufacture replacements for in a short period of time, stealing production from foreign currency generating sales. I cannot see any way that production can be stepped up so rapidly to meet this requirement.GarryB wrote:If they really need to change out early, before new replacements can be manufactured, there is a glut of all kinds of around 10 year old Western aircraft at crazy low prices they can chose from.
The Russian military will buy western airliners when they start buying second hand F-16s to make up aircraft numbers...
BTW according to this news report:
https://sputniknews.com/russia/201701201049802433-russia-tu-154-replace/
There are: Currently, there are 21 Tu-154, 36 Tu-134 and nine Il-62 aircraft in service by the Defense Ministry.
So that is a few aircraft needing replacement...
PapaDragon wrote:GarryB wrote:.........
BTW according to this news report:
https://sputniknews.com/russia/201701201049802433-russia-tu-154-replace/
There are: Currently, there are 21 Tu-154, 36 Tu-134 and nine Il-62 aircraft in service by the Defense Ministry.
So that is a few aircraft needing replacement...
They can start ordering SSJ-100 right now.
That programme had loads of issues and very rocky road but things have finally settled into place and this order would help them reach magical number of 300 units AKA ''break-even point'' ahead of schedule.
And it's a damn fine bird.
Militarov wrote:........
I dont know... if i was the one to decide id rather go for something with higher amount of local components aka majority like Tu-204. Because SSJ-100 in terms of that aspect is almost like they decided to order Airbus 320Neo compared to Tu-204.
Who knows maybe Tu-214 gets a chance after all.
PapaDragon wrote:Militarov wrote:........
I dont know... if i was the one to decide id rather go for something with higher amount of local components aka majority like Tu-204. Because SSJ-100 in terms of that aspect is almost like they decided to order Airbus 320Neo compared to Tu-204.
Who knows maybe Tu-214 gets a chance after all.
SSJ and Tu-204 are in two different weight classes. And SSJ is only plane in that size bracket that Russia produces right now.
As for localisation it should not be such a big deal. These are not combat planes. And they are already in service with EMERCOM and government airline. So they seem sufficiently comfortable with using them. They just need to keep healthy stock of spare parts in reserve if SHTF.
As for Tu-2X4 they might go with them as replacement for larger ones, especially if production lines are still active. I don't see them going with MS-21, it's practically a luxury item in this context. Maybe much later. Big maybe.