JohninMK Sat Oct 22, 2022 11:39 am
Much to my surprise there was no thread on this and I want to post this analysis from a MoA poster somewhere safe as it is pretty good.
As for what happened to Zelensky, Skiffer posted something a while back that I saved for future use when talking to idiots who think that Zelensky has been president since the coup in 2014. (I miss Skiffer.)
"There was a breaking point early into Zelensky's presidency where he and his team was made aware of the position of both president and parliament in Ukraine in the overall pecking order. The chiefly ceremonial transition of power was still in progress, coupled with nearly a month of relative calm devoid of street action by right-wing radical organizations, as they too reassessed whether they still had state backing or would be held accountable for past misdeeds.
Suddenly, hostilities on the front-line with Donbas resumed, and with such ferocity that it spilled over onto the UN platform and threatened to bury the Minsk agreement there and then. Zelensky was basically called to the front with this provocation, which gave us the notorious exchange of him trying to dress down the military: "I'm 40-something years old and I'm the president -- I'm not some shmuck." The military told him to go **** himself and that they would do what they want, that they do not answer to him. That much was obvious by infuriated statements made by his cadre on return to Kiev.
Back in Kiev, Zelensky and his party of clowns attempted to push back by quickly formulating a law proposal, restricting the use of weapons on the front-lines to only be used in response. Needless to say, this stirred such a hornet's nest that the proposal was scuttled before the ink had time to dry; perhaps someone was even made to eat the paper.
That week it was made apparent to everyone that neither the president nor a parliamentary majority had any control over the military or security services. Protests by right-wing radicals erupted all over, with police supervision. Court-houses and government buildings were stormed, the president's office was vandalized and the state appointed security detail responsible for "protecting" Zelensky abandoned their positions for the duration. The message was unequivocal -- the nationalists are in control of all state organizations capable of projecting force and the political establishment is merely a figleaf on a military junta.
Following this cold shower, team Zelensky reorganized the party apparatus who hadn't even had time to warm up their seats, they rubber-stamped the advisory positions of prominent neo-Nazi figureheads to positions within both political and security organizations -- presumably, for the people actually in charge to have more immediate access to their respective areas of responsibility. The only aspect that wasn't flipped like a pancake was the conciliatory rhetoric coming out of Zelensky -- in this, he was braver than his spokespeople who put on their brown shirts almost immediately.
That is not to say that there weren't nationalist tendencies within Zelensky's party even on the campaign trail -- it is my impression that Ukrainians in general, even when neither particularly radical or militaristic, are generally comfortable with ethno-nationalist ideology or, at best, downplay the significance of discriminatory or hostile ideas, symbols and statements to themselves.
For eight years, the Russian information sphere was saturated with coverage of manifestations of Ukrainian neo-nazi ideology and always tried to bring in Ukrainian political analysts to explain their position. That position, without fail, almost always amounted to marginalization -- deeds, images and statements were made by or depicted nobodies who held no power and did not represent official Ukraine, even when these nobodies were official representatives of Ukraine, advisors to the same or acting with the approval of Ukrainian officials. At most, manifestations of government approved neo-nazi ideology was labelled as "excessive" by Ukrainian political analysts, embarrassing not for the evil that it represented but for the negative impact it might have on PR."
Posted by: Skiffer | Mar 22 2022 10:41 utc | 248
Posted by: wagelaborer | Oct 22 2022 1:38 utc | 142
https://www.moonofalabama.org/2022/10/ukraine-open-thread-2022-179/comments/page/2/#comments
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