Syrian War: News #13

ATLASCUB wrote:The U.S, through the Kurds are a ticking time bomb.... been saying it for ages. They're not there to make friends and settle....they're there to stir up shit by taking land and keeping a "peace keeping force" aka bases once the "conflict" ends.

More bait for more excuses so Trump can sign the sanctions bill with some "internal relief" due to "Russian and Iranian actions in Syria". This is all bait by a Pentagon (which again, is not controlled by Trump). The Kurds will do whatever the fuck they're told and people need to realize that. No one, and I mean no one outside the United States is helping them in their little dream - as such, they owe the U.S military support, political support etc...

The Kurds will only stop being their puppets when and if the Americans are successfully kicked out (which is a pickle and might never happen). Under that assumption reality would kick in so hard that they would have no other choice. Right now they have a choice - and that choice is to ally themselves to only living empire on earth to achieve their dreams of statehood - aka fuck Syria, fuck Russia, fuck Turkey, fuck Iraq, fuck Iran, fuck the Arabs and anyone opposed to their plans (although they will engage diplomatically cause that's the smart thing to do). Make no mistake, the Kurds are not on Syria's/Russian/Iranian camp and people need to get that very clear if it hasn't been clear enough since the beginning of this conflict.

You got too many people here who are fucking retarded to even realize this.

Russians need to get a spine for fucks sakes.  Call out the US and their bluff.  Threaten them.  Who cares.  Do what it takes though because the US is just going to do it more.

Anyway, the F-18 that shot it down came from the Persian gulf.  Meaning that it was a provocative move more so than anything because it was already in the air before the Su-22 reached and bombed its destination.

Heavy clashes right now between the Syrian Army and SDF near Resafa. Syrian Army is trying to rescue its pilot; SDF blocking route.

https://twitter.com/leithfadel/status/876557262734725120

lycantrop wrote:Heavy clashes right now between the Syrian Army and SDF near Resafa. Syrian Army is trying to rescue its pilot; SDF blocking route.

https://twitter.com/leithfadel/status/876557262734725120

Lol what a shit show. Make a deal with the devil and unleash the Turks (provided the Turks grow some massive balls).

The F-18 came from the Mediterranean. It seems Russia must have gave it approval to shoot down the Su-22.

https://twitter.com/StratSentinel/status/876544308542885888

Pilot KIA. Like I said, Syrians are expendable to Russians. You all laughed when I said that first.

https://www.reddit.com/r/syriancivilwar/comments/6i2c85/syrian_mod_pilot_kia/

Apparently RuAF is up in the air over the area looking for the pilot as well.

miketheterrible wrote:

Militarov wrote:

miketheterrible wrote:

they are claiming US shot down the Su-22. Its very high time SyAF start shooting down coalition jets.

With what ?

Magic beans?

they have jets, and SAM's and manpads. Shooting even 1 US jet is enough.

Sometimes you people look to me like kids. You know what are the chaces of anything Syrian, that is flying to actually engage, not shoot down, but engage that Coalition is flying? Limes nearing zero, thats what are the chances. Seriously dont tell me you expect Syrian MiG-21s, MiG-23s and those few monkey MiG-29s to fight Americans

MANPADS aganist F-18Es and F-15Es dropping GBUs from 6.000m? Good luck. When its about Syrian SAMs they showed how useful they are though last 3 decades, Israelis flew dozens if not hundreds of missions over Syria they never managed to shoot a jack shit.

ultimatewarrior wrote:Pilot KIA. Like I said, Syrians are expendable to Russians. You all laughed when I said that first.

https://www.reddit.com/r/syriancivilwar/comments/6i2c85/syrian_mod_pilot_kia/

Yes, i think Russians should move all Syrians to Siberia and repopulate Syria with Russians. Put them in safe Heaven.

ultimatewarrior wrote:The F-18 came from the Mediterranean. It seems Russia must have gave it approval to shoot down the Su-22.

https://twitter.com/StratSentinel/status/876544308542885888

Here, map of Syria...

lycantrop wrote:https://streamable.com/aqkz1

clearly solid fuel missiles

Shahab-3

kvs wrote:

Militarov wrote:

miketheterrible wrote:

Militarov wrote:

miketheterrible wrote:

they are claiming US shot down the Su-22. Its very high time SyAF start shooting down coalition jets.

With what ?

Magic beans?

they have jets, and SAM's and manpads. Shooting even 1 US jet is enough.

Sometimes you people look to me like kids. You know what are the chaces of anything Syrian, that is flying to actually engage, not shoot down, but engage that Coalition is flying? Limes nearing zero, thats what are the chances. Seriously dont tell me you expect Syrian MiG-21s, MiG-23s and those few monkey MiG-29s to fight Americans  

MANPADS aganist F-18Es and F-15Es dropping GBUs from 6.000m? Good luck. When its about Syrian SAMs they showed how useful they are though last 3 decades, Israelis flew dozens if not hundreds of missions over Syria they never managed to shoot a jack shit.

Syria has S-300 systems.  Don't spout off about the Israelis and Americans being immune.  
Any jamming tech they have can be countered.

Yeah... we noticed

kvs wrote:

ATLASCUB wrote:The U.S, through the Kurds are a ticking time bomb.... been saying it for ages. They're not there to make friends and settle....they're there to stir up shit by taking land and keeping a "peace keeping force" aka bases once the "conflict" ends on a newly "autonomous" region or "mini-state".

More bait for more excuses so Trump can sign the sanctions bill with some "internal relief" due to "recent Russian and Iranian actions in Syria" IF any of the parties escalate as in a "normal" conflict it would logically follow in pattern. This is all bait by a Pentagon (which again, is not controlled by Trump). The Kurds will do whatever the fuck they're told and people need to realize that. No one, and I mean no one outside the United States is helping them in their little dream - as such, they owe the U.S military support, political support etc, etc, etc...a lifeline worth fighting for from their pov.

The Kurds will only stop being american puppets when and if the Americans are successfully kicked out (which is a pickle and might never happen). Under that assumption reality would kick in so hard that the Kurds would have no other choice. Right now they have a choice - and that choice is to ally themselves to the only living empire on earth to achieve their dreams of statehood - aka fuck Syria, fuck Russia, fuck Turkey, fuck Iraq, fuck Iran, fuck the Arabs and anyone opposed to their plans (although they will engage diplomatically cause that's the smart thing to do). Make no mistake, the Kurds are not on Syria's/Russian/Iranian camp and people need to get that very clear if it hasn't been clear enough since the beginning of this conflict.

The Kurd leadership is setting up the Kurds to get f*cked over the in long run.   Uncle Scumbag isn't going to be around for the coming
centuries to look out for them.   It is rather clear that the American Empire is in terminal decline.   Globalism will not last for various reasons
including depletion of cheap liquid fuels.   The world will become much more local.

The Kurds have not air defense weapons to do it this way. Is directly the US and their employees.

The US loves to read the people that is opposed to them hating the Kurds.

But they have 0 chance of fooling the gouvernments of the opposed countries.

ultimatewarrior wrote:Pilot KIA. Like I said, Syrians are expendable to Russians. You all laughed when I said that first.

https://www.reddit.com/r/syriancivilwar/comments/6i2c85/syrian_mod_pilot_kia/

eehnie wrote:

kvs wrote:

ATLASCUB wrote:The U.S, through the Kurds are a ticking time bomb.... been saying it for ages. They're not there to make friends and settle....they're there to stir up shit by taking land and keeping a "peace keeping force" aka bases once the "conflict" ends on a newly "autonomous" region or "mini-state".

More bait for more excuses so Trump can sign the sanctions bill with some "internal relief" due to "recent Russian and Iranian actions in Syria" IF any of the parties escalate as in a "normal" conflict it would logically follow in pattern. This is all bait by a Pentagon (which again, is not controlled by Trump). The Kurds will do whatever the fuck they're told and people need to realize that. No one, and I mean no one outside the United States is helping them in their little dream - as such, they owe the U.S military support, political support etc, etc, etc...a lifeline worth fighting for from their pov.

The Kurds will only stop being american puppets when and if the Americans are successfully kicked out (which is a pickle and might never happen). Under that assumption reality would kick in so hard that the Kurds would have no other choice. Right now they have a choice - and that choice is to ally themselves to the only living empire on earth to achieve their dreams of statehood - aka fuck Syria, fuck Russia, fuck Turkey, fuck Iraq, fuck Iran, fuck the Arabs and anyone opposed to their plans (although they will engage diplomatically cause that's the smart thing to do). Make no mistake, the Kurds are not on Syria's/Russian/Iranian camp and people need to get that very clear if it hasn't been clear enough since the beginning of this conflict.

The Kurd leadership is setting up the Kurds to get f*cked over the in long run.   Uncle Scumbag isn't going to be around for the coming
centuries to look out for them.   It is rather clear that the American Empire is in terminal decline.   Globalism will not last for various reasons
including depletion of cheap liquid fuels.   The world will become much more local.

The Kurds have not air defense weapons. Is directly the US and their employees.

The US loves to read the people that is opposed to them hating the Kurds.

But they have 0 chance of fooling the gouvernments of the opposed countries.

What about "SAA enganging SDF in combat" do you not understand?

And yes, the U.S would love to see things escalate since they benefit and reap from chaos. That does not mean however that you allow to get abused constantly just cause "lets not play into U.S plan"..... at some point the nose will be so bloody from taking small punches that you'll have to address the source of the problem.

The Turks are the key. But they don't have the balls to mess with their master's plan.

IF this is not solved through the deconfliction line ,It will be a matter of time US Coalition will get one of their planes shut down.. whether in a false flag or in a real combat. Syria can strike american planes with their S-200s anywhere in Syria. and or Russian airforce can also do the same if feel under threat their planes.

When it comes to any Airport military base anywhere in RAQQA. it will be a symbolic one.
Because US cannot deploy expensive planes in a military base ,when their planes are withing visual/strike distance of Syria artillery and or can be shutdown as soon as take off from the base with a cheap manpad.
So all the Syrian army needs to do is surround Tabqa base or anyone in question with its military and it will become a totally useless base by NATO and its coalition . Because they can't deploy anything there safely if the base is withing visual distance of Syrian army positions.

Maybe this is done by the pentagon to provoke Syria into a fight with US Coalition and put
Russia into a fight with Americans. It could be seen for the warmongers ,that is better for Americans to lose a plane and enter in a small military conflict with Russia than to allow TRump to get closer to Russia over Syria. So this could be done to tie the hands of Trump
completely over Syria ,because they if they lose a plane it will be impossible for Trump
to talk about getting close to Russia and cooperate with them in Syria.

In the other hand if the decision is taken to bomb US military bases in Syria.
Because unless anyone have not noticed yet..the games Americans and its coalition
are playing are Proxy wars.. but Russia and Syria can do that too..

IRAN will be the perfect card for this. Because IRAN (with Russia and Syria correct upgrades to its technology and logistic help)
could launch ballistic or even cruise missiles made by them and help IRAN to target
American military bases with precision. So the Americans use SDF and its coalition to cover
behind them for their aggression on Syria and Russia/Syria can use IRAN and their retaliation from their own land to target US and its coalition military bases in Syria.

SO that any possible retaliation from US to IRAN could only come if they start a war directly with IRAN. which they will not do .. Because IRAN can bomb Saudi Arabia oil fields and significantly drive oil prices to heaven ,and months or a year will pass before they can restore production of oil again. IRAN can also close the persian gulf transit
of oil (and significantly lower the value of dollar) and American navy can't stop it. if IRAN fire from land to any ship transit. this will be a complete new war , that Americans will not be
prepared to engage ,since IRAN will have an easy time targeting any warship who transit through a 15km passway.

It will be also a good time for IRAQ to demand American forces to leave. to increase the pressure. and made an alliance with Syria army. MOsul is completely not needed to be liberated now, the terrorist there have no way to advance are encircled.

In short this new escalation by US military,in my opinion was done to tie the hands of Trump
into any kind of restoring relations with Russia. If Trump goes against its own Military ,
he risk impeachment.and RUssia and Syria can use the IRANIAN card to against illegal US military bases. This will teach them ,that it will be impossible for them to create a safe base
for Americans or coalition forces anywhere in Syria , if IRAN is allowed by Syrian government to bomb it.  It will be a major pressure on US military if can't defend against IRAN attacks in Syria. to do that they will need to deploy Patriots missiles ,which are very expensive and very vulnerable to Syria artillery. and This is why US can't send a large ,nor medium ,neither small military force in Syria into a base anywhere because it is vulnerable to be bombed. Unless they are deployed deep inside kurdish zones. but even there ,the risk are very high. Because they don't have effective ways to defend any military base deployed in Syria,any happy trigger Iranian or syrian general could blow up any US/coalition in Syria. lets not forget Russia gave Syria a lot of toscka missiles and Syria had Scuds with 300km range. US will need real air defenses setup there to hold a military base. with Patriots defenses and it will be very vulnerable to artillery attacks. in short any US military base in Syria can't be defended as long they don't declare a no fly zone on Syria airforce and on Russia too. which will mean a major war. So US military always have to keep in mind when building anything in Syria that a major war could start at any time ,at their base totally destroyed. without a problem By Syria.

At what time did the yank down syrian plane ? At what time did Iran hit isis with missile ? Was one a reply to the other ? On the surface it appeared that Iran responded to isis attack in Tehran . But they have to say that don't they ? Will the yanks now retaliate against Iran , for hitting isis targets ? Or their allies ? Now they know that at least their allies can be hit . And even their own bases . I still think syrian army needs to advance as rapidly as possible on the ground and use SAM against the yank planes . Iran can start softening targets in advance .

Syrian army needs to have priority of defeating isis . And securing borders . They are one and the same objective . You can not have a secure house that has no doors or windows . Forces other than isis need to cooperate with syrian army and allow passage to border areas . In my view this is possible . Without dislocating other forces from their positions . If other forces resist syrian army access to border crossings . Then they must be fought at those points and along the border .

ATLASCUB wrote:

eehnie wrote:

kvs wrote:

ATLASCUB wrote:The U.S, through the Kurds are a ticking time bomb.... been saying it for ages. They're not there to make friends and settle....they're there to stir up shit by taking land and keeping a "peace keeping force" aka bases once the "conflict" ends on a newly "autonomous" region or "mini-state".

More bait for more excuses so Trump can sign the sanctions bill with some "internal relief" due to "recent Russian and Iranian actions in Syria" IF any of the parties escalate as in a "normal" conflict it would logically follow in pattern. This is all bait by a Pentagon (which again, is not controlled by Trump). The Kurds will do whatever the fuck they're told and people need to realize that. No one, and I mean no one outside the United States is helping them in their little dream - as such, they owe the U.S military support, political support etc, etc, etc...a lifeline worth fighting for from their pov.

The Kurds will only stop being american puppets when and if the Americans are successfully kicked out (which is a pickle and might never happen). Under that assumption reality would kick in so hard that the Kurds would have no other choice. Right now they have a choice - and that choice is to ally themselves to the only living empire on earth to achieve their dreams of statehood - aka fuck Syria, fuck Russia, fuck Turkey, fuck Iraq, fuck Iran, fuck the Arabs and anyone opposed to their plans (although they will engage diplomatically cause that's the smart thing to do). Make no mistake, the Kurds are not on Syria's/Russian/Iranian camp and people need to get that very clear if it hasn't been clear enough since the beginning of this conflict.

The Kurd leadership is setting up the Kurds to get f*cked over the in long run.   Uncle Scumbag isn't going to be around for the coming
centuries to look out for them.   It is rather clear that the American Empire is in terminal decline.   Globalism will not last for various reasons
including depletion of cheap liquid fuels.   The world will become much more local.

The Kurds have not air defense weapons to do it this way. Is directly the US and their employees.

The US loves to read the people that is opposed to them hating the Kurds.

But they have 0 chance of fooling the gouvernments of the opposed countries.

What about "SAA enganging SDF in combat" do you not understand?

And yes, the U.S would love to see things escalate since they benefit and reap from chaos. That does not mean however that you allow to get abused constantly just cause "lets not play into U.S plan"..... at some point the nose will be so bloody from taking small punches that you'll have to address the source of the problem.

The Turks are the key. But they don't have the balls to mess with their master's plan.

Sources? I see lots of propaganda.

eehnie wrote:

ATLASCUB wrote:

eehnie wrote:

kvs wrote:

ATLASCUB wrote:The U.S, through the Kurds are a ticking time bomb.... been saying it for ages. They're not there to make friends and settle....they're there to stir up shit by taking land and keeping a "peace keeping force" aka bases once the "conflict" ends on a newly "autonomous" region or "mini-state".

More bait for more excuses so Trump can sign the sanctions bill with some "internal relief" due to "recent Russian and Iranian actions in Syria" IF any of the parties escalate as in a "normal" conflict it would logically follow in pattern. This is all bait by a Pentagon (which again, is not controlled by Trump). The Kurds will do whatever the fuck they're told and people need to realize that. No one, and I mean no one outside the United States is helping them in their little dream - as such, they owe the U.S military support, political support etc, etc, etc...a lifeline worth fighting for from their pov.

The Kurds will only stop being american puppets when and if the Americans are successfully kicked out (which is a pickle and might never happen). Under that assumption reality would kick in so hard that the Kurds would have no other choice. Right now they have a choice - and that choice is to ally themselves to the only living empire on earth to achieve their dreams of statehood - aka fuck Syria, fuck Russia, fuck Turkey, fuck Iraq, fuck Iran, fuck the Arabs and anyone opposed to their plans (although they will engage diplomatically cause that's the smart thing to do). Make no mistake, the Kurds are not on Syria's/Russian/Iranian camp and people need to get that very clear if it hasn't been clear enough since the beginning of this conflict.

The Kurd leadership is setting up the Kurds to get f*cked over the in long run.   Uncle Scumbag isn't going to be around for the coming
centuries to look out for them.   It is rather clear that the American Empire is in terminal decline.   Globalism will not last for various reasons
including depletion of cheap liquid fuels.   The world will become much more local.

The Kurds have not air defense weapons to do it this way. Is directly the US and their employees.

The US loves to read the people that is opposed to them hating the Kurds.

But they have 0 chance of fooling the gouvernments of the opposed countries.

What about "SAA enganging SDF in combat" do you not understand?

And yes, the U.S would love to see things escalate since they benefit and reap from chaos. That does not mean however that you allow to get abused constantly just cause "lets not play into U.S plan"..... at some point the nose will be so bloody from taking small punches that you'll have to address the source of the problem.

The Turks are the key. But they don't have the balls to mess with their master's plan.

Sources? I see lots of propaganda.

https://www.reddit.com/r/syriancivilwar/

The stream of news comes in consistently.

Here is what all sources agree (including the American report): SDF and SAA/gov militias clashed/clashing and that the U.S took out a Syrian SU-22. The motives, who started it etc... that is obviously murky and depends on what side you believe in - the U.S/Kurds or the Syrian gov/Russia etc...

Here is the problem: In order to speed up the Raqqah offensive and get control of the city without getting bogged down for a significant time the U.S needs an agreed/open corridor for ISIS personal to retreat to Deir-ez Zor (slowly but surely) so that an ISIS skeleton screw is left on Raqqah and dealt with by the Kurds. This also allows ISIS to intensify its siege on Deir-ez (with more personal), making it harder for the SAA to advance (and this benefits American plans in a myriad of ways). The SAA/Russians aren't stupid that's why they're bombing ISIS convoys leaving the Raqqah area towards Deir ez. That's probably why, in conjunction with the clashes, the U.S shot down the plane. The SAA nor its militias need air support to deal with the SDF in clashes and small skirmishes that are settled in small firefights, minor shelling, at worse artillery exchanges. You only use the air force when you're really making a statement and have the objective of advancing/crushing your foe. The SAA however does need its air force to deal with convoys in territories it does not control - like the territories ISIS is using as transit to move into Deir ez. That's why the American report smells like a big pile of stinking manure when it comes to "motives".

Edit: Also kinda intrigued by the fact that operations are being carried from the Mediterranean instead of Incirlik base. Maybe the Turks are taping comms and leaking to Russia? Very real possibility.

Militarov wrote:

ultimatewarrior wrote:Pilot KIA. Like I said, Syrians are expendable to Russians. You all laughed when I said that first.

https://www.reddit.com/r/syriancivilwar/comments/6i2c85/syrian_mod_pilot_kia/

Yes, i think Russians should move all Syrians to Siberia and repopulate Syria with Russians. Put them in safe Heaven.

Don't quote that fuckwit... We have him blocked for good fucking reason.....