Upgrading all existing Onyx missiles would improve performance the quickest... simply changing production of fuel from the old type to the new type should be a relatively cheap but useful way to increase performance across the board of all the weapon types that use that fuel.
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Coastal Missile Systems
GarryB- Posts : 40541
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I rather suspect the upgraded Onyx should be ready quicker and offer a serious increase in performance, while Zircon should be put in subs and ships first to get that fire power out there...
Upgrading all existing Onyx missiles would improve performance the quickest... simply changing production of fuel from the old type to the new type should be a relatively cheap but useful way to increase performance across the board of all the weapon types that use that fuel.
Upgrading all existing Onyx missiles would improve performance the quickest... simply changing production of fuel from the old type to the new type should be a relatively cheap but useful way to increase performance across the board of all the weapon types that use that fuel.
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- Post n°52
Re: Coastal Missile Systems
If it is indeed possible to retrofit this capacity, then of course!
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Russia to rearm Soviet coastal defense system in Crimea with new missiles
The Utyos underground coastal defense missile system was built in Crimea during the Soviet period
MOSCOW, May 28. /TASS/. The Research and Production Association of Machine-Building (part of Tactical Missiles Corporation) has carried out work to restore the Soviet underground coastal defense missile system ‘Utyos’ in Crimea and is considering rearming it with new missiles, Company CEO and Chief Designer Alexander Leonov told TASS on Tuesday.
"Now the point at issue is the possible rearming of this system with new types of missiles," the chief executive said, replying to the corresponding question.
The company started restoring the Utyos underground coastal defense system in 2014 and "carried out uneasy work but, nonetheless, fulfilled the assigned task successfully and on time," Leonov stressed.
"The successful launches after the repair and restoration works showed that the system was ready to defend its sector of the Crimean coast," the chief executive said.
The Utyos is a formidable weapon that can strike enemy surface forces at a range of up to 300km, he noted. "Cruisers, frigates, amphibious assault ships and missile boats - one missile will be enough to incapacitate any ship," Leonov stressed.
The Utyos underground coastal defense missile system was built in Crimea during the Soviet period. It is armed with P-35 anti-ship missiles. After the disintegration of the Soviet Union and the division of the Black Sea Fleet, the Utyos turned out to be on the territory of Ukraine and during this period one battalion of this system fell into disuse while the second battalion was deactivated. The work to restore the system began after Crimea’s reintegration with Russia.
More:
http://tass.com/defense/1060365
The Utyos underground coastal defense missile system was built in Crimea during the Soviet period
MOSCOW, May 28. /TASS/. The Research and Production Association of Machine-Building (part of Tactical Missiles Corporation) has carried out work to restore the Soviet underground coastal defense missile system ‘Utyos’ in Crimea and is considering rearming it with new missiles, Company CEO and Chief Designer Alexander Leonov told TASS on Tuesday.
"Now the point at issue is the possible rearming of this system with new types of missiles," the chief executive said, replying to the corresponding question.
The company started restoring the Utyos underground coastal defense system in 2014 and "carried out uneasy work but, nonetheless, fulfilled the assigned task successfully and on time," Leonov stressed.
"The successful launches after the repair and restoration works showed that the system was ready to defend its sector of the Crimean coast," the chief executive said.
The Utyos is a formidable weapon that can strike enemy surface forces at a range of up to 300km, he noted. "Cruisers, frigates, amphibious assault ships and missile boats - one missile will be enough to incapacitate any ship," Leonov stressed.
The Utyos underground coastal defense missile system was built in Crimea during the Soviet period. It is armed with P-35 anti-ship missiles. After the disintegration of the Soviet Union and the division of the Black Sea Fleet, the Utyos turned out to be on the territory of Ukraine and during this period one battalion of this system fell into disuse while the second battalion was deactivated. The work to restore the system began after Crimea’s reintegration with Russia.
More:
http://tass.com/defense/1060365
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Re: Coastal Missile Systems
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Russia to rearm Soviet coastal defense system in Crimea with new missiles
The repair work on the Utyos coastal defense missile system was completed recently and was required because the compound operated by the Ukrainian Navy in 1996-2014 had fallen into disuse
MOSCOW, August 26. /TASS/. The Research and Production Association of Machine-Building (part of Tactical Missiles Corporation) has carried out work to restore the Soviet underground coastal defense missile system Utyos in Crimea and will eventually rearm it with new missiles, Company CEO and Chief Designer Alexander Leonov told TASS on Monday.
The repair work on the Utyos coastal defense missile system was completed just recently and was required because the compound operated by the Ukrainian Navy in 1996-2014 had fallen into disuse, the chief executive said.
"The successful launches conducted after the repair works have shown the compound’s readiness for defending the Crimean coast. That is why, it will operate for some time with Progress missiles. Eventually, it will be rearmed with new missile types," Leonov said.
The Progress missile has a flight range of up to 460 km. The Utyos underground coastal defense system is also used to launch target missiles.
https://tass.com/defense/1075044
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Re: Coastal Missile Systems
Russian Navy to get three battalions of Bastion coastal defense missile systems this year
They will join coastal defense and land troops of the Pacific, Northern and Black Sea Fleets
MOSCOW, August 26. /TASS/. The Research and Production Association of Machine-Building (the town of Reutov, the Moscow Region) will deliver three battalion sets of Bastion mobile coastal defense missile systems this year, Company Chief Designer and CEO Alexander Leonov said on Monday on the eve of the MAKS international aerospace exhibition.
"At a meeting at the Defense Ministry of Russia in April this year, which discussed the fulfilment of the defense procurement plan in 2019, I reported to Defense Minister Army General Sergei Shoigu that work was underway to manufacture and deliver three sets of Bastion coastal defense missile systems," the chief executive said.
The Russian defense industry earlier told TASS that new Bastion coastal defense systems would join coastal defense and land troops of the Pacific, Northern and Black Sea Fleets.
The Bastion coastal defense system with standardized Yakhont (Oniks) supersonic homing anti-ship cruise missiles went into service in the Russian troops in 2010. The Bastion is designated to strike various types of surface ships operating as part of amphibious assault formations, convoys, surface action and carrier strike groups, and also single ships and radar-contrast land targets under enemy intensive fire and electronic counter-measures.
According to the data of the International Institute for Strategic Studies, the Russian Navy currently operates over 40 Bastion coastal defense systems. Specifically, they are deployed in Crimea, on the Kotelny Island (the Novosibirsk Archipelago), in the Kaliningrad Region, in Syria and on Kamchatka.
A Bastion battalion is capable of defending a coastline stretching over 600km. The Bastion can fire Oniks missiles to a range of 500km. The firing positions can be moved away from the coastline by 200km.
https://tass.com/defense/1075020
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Bastion coastal defense missile systems deployed on Franz Joseph Land in Russian Arctic
The Bastion coastal defense missile systems have proven their high efficiency during high-latitude drills
MOSCOW, November 19. /TASS/. Bastion coastal defense missile systems are in service with the Northern Fleet’s two tactical groups deployed on the New Siberian Islands and Franz Josef Land archipelagoes in the Russian Arctic, the Fleet’s press office reported on Tuesday.
"The coastal defense missile and artillery troops reliably protect the Northern Sea Route and the Russian Arctic," the press office said in a statement issued on the occasion of Russia’s Missile Forces and Artillery Day and Naval Missile and Artillery Troops’ Day celebrated on November 19.
"The Bastion coastal defense missile systems have proven their high efficiency during high-latitude drills. This formidable advanced weapon is operational in the Northern Fleet’s tactical groups on the New Siberian Islands and Franz Josef Land archipelagoes, the statement says.
Northern Fleet Commander, Hero of Russia, Vice Admiral Alexander Moiseyev congratulated the Fleet’s missile and artillery troops with their professional day, the press office said.
It was earlier reported that Bastion coastal defense missile systems produced by the Reutov Research and Production Association of Machine-Building had been deployed on the New Siberian Islands archipelago.
The Bastion coastal defense system with the standardized Yakhont (Oniks) supersonic homing anti-ship cruise missile is designated to strike various types of surface ships operating as part of amphibious assault formations, convoys, surface action and carrier strike groups, and also sole ships and radar-contrast land targets under intensive fire and electronic counter-measures.
https://tass.com/defense/1090375
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Re: Coastal Missile Systems
Some more info about this system.
Looks like it's mostly geared for export
http://mil.today/2019/Navy61/
Two-Man Crew of Rubezh Coastal Missile System to Find and Destroy Ships Alone
At the International Maritime Defense Show (IMDS-2019), Typhoon Instrument Engineering Plant unveiled the coastal tactic missile system Rubezh-ME. It is a fully independent asset that provides itself with communication, maintains reconnaissance, and launches Kh-35UE Uran antiship missiles. With that, the Rubezh-ME crew includes only two men.
The system can be used either as a part of battalion or as a standalone unit. The self-propelled launcher is integrated with antiship missiles, OTH radar, fire control equipment, and communication facilities.
The system is a proactive project of the Kaluga-based plant produced only for export yet. However, designers leave open the possibility of internal supplies for the Russian military.
At IMDS-2019, Rubezh-ME was presented on the KamAZ chassis. As for the company’s spokesman, another base is also possible as the system is fixed by common container twist locks.
Previous version of Rubezh system was mounted on the MAZ-543 truck chassis. Dmitry Kushnerev, deputy director general at Typhoon plant explained Mil.Press Today the shifting from the MAZ platform. As for him, every platform is tailored for particular task, and foreign customers sometimes need a lighter vehicle, even though less weaponized.
"MAZ-543 was a good chassis, but it is no longer produced. We can use MZKT chassis as an alternative. Besides, it’s too expensive to launch eight antiship missiles at once. Some customers, however, need other features. For example, common road trafficability or absence of the need to compile a whole battalion. Some even want to place the system on their own vehicles like MAN", said the Typhoon deputy director.
The chassis-independence is typical for another product of Typhoon plant as well. The coastal reconnaissance system Monolit-B is made in three versions: self-propelled, mobile, and stationary.
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- Post n°61
Re: Coastal Missile Systems
While about this, it looks like it can be used together with the Rubezh, or independently in coalition with other systems
http://mil.today/2019/Navy62/
Russian Coastal Recon System ‘Packed’ in Compact Module
The Monolit-B coast-based reconnaissance system of sea-surface/aerial situation in the module configuration is easily transported, fits for any chassis, quickly deployed, and can operate as a self-propelled or a stationary version. At the International Maritime Defense Show (IMDS-2019), Typhoon Instrument Engineering Plant (member of Morinformsistema-Agat) presented this system to the wide public for the first time.
Monolit-B system is designed for long-range over-the-horison detection and tracking of sea surface and aerial targets.
Active radar of the system is capable to detect targets at the distance of up to 500 km, the passive one – up to 750 km.
Dmitry Kushnerev, deputy director for innovations at Typhoon plant said the system is made under the "container philosophy".
"The system’s dimensions are comparable with the 20-foot containers, with those twist locks and so. If needed, we can quickly unlock it, lift by a crane and put on another truck. Need KamAZ? Not an issue. MAN? No problem. What about TATRA? Piece of cake!", said the manufacturer’s deputy CEO.
For some applications, the Monolit-B system can be used without chassis, as a stationary reconnaissance system.
The crew of the self-propelled version consists of 5 men, the mobile and the stationary versions – 4 men.
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The Caspian flotilla again received the Bal coastal missile system
According to the press service of the Southern Military District, on January 30, 2020, in the Republic of Dagestan, a solemn transfer of the coastal missile complex (DBK) "Ball" of the Caspian flotilla took place. DBK “Bal” is intended for coastal defense of the permanent deployment sites of ships, ensuring security in the waters of the Caspian Sea and land units of the Caspian flotilla.
On the bmpd side, we recall that in Soviet times, the Caspian flotilla had the 168th separate coastal training missile division, equipped with 4K44 Redut coastal mobile missile systems, with a deployment in Jafar (Turkmen SSR), but it was disbanded in 1990. In 1993, in Astrakhan, already in the Caspian flotilla of the Russian Navy, the 847th separate coastal missile division was formed, also with Redut complexes, which, however, was disbanded in 2005.
In 2010, the 46th Separate Coastal Missile Division was formed in Kaspiysk as part of the Caspian Flotilla, which received the first serial 3K60 “Bal” coastal mobile anti-ship missile systems (two batteries with four launchers). In April 2012, the 46th Division conducted its first rocket fire. However, in March 2014 he was transferred to the Crimea, where he eventually remained, joining the 15th separate coastal missile brigade of the Black Sea Fleet formed in Crimea in December 2014.
Now in Kaspiysk as part of the Caspian flotilla a new 51st separate coastal missile division has been formed, equipped with a new set of 3K60 Bal coastal mobile anti-ship missile system.
https://bmpd.livejournal.com/3927068.html
According to the press service of the Southern Military District, on January 30, 2020, in the Republic of Dagestan, a solemn transfer of the coastal missile complex (DBK) "Ball" of the Caspian flotilla took place. DBK “Bal” is intended for coastal defense of the permanent deployment sites of ships, ensuring security in the waters of the Caspian Sea and land units of the Caspian flotilla.
On the bmpd side, we recall that in Soviet times, the Caspian flotilla had the 168th separate coastal training missile division, equipped with 4K44 Redut coastal mobile missile systems, with a deployment in Jafar (Turkmen SSR), but it was disbanded in 1990. In 1993, in Astrakhan, already in the Caspian flotilla of the Russian Navy, the 847th separate coastal missile division was formed, also with Redut complexes, which, however, was disbanded in 2005.
In 2010, the 46th Separate Coastal Missile Division was formed in Kaspiysk as part of the Caspian Flotilla, which received the first serial 3K60 “Bal” coastal mobile anti-ship missile systems (two batteries with four launchers). In April 2012, the 46th Division conducted its first rocket fire. However, in March 2014 he was transferred to the Crimea, where he eventually remained, joining the 15th separate coastal missile brigade of the Black Sea Fleet formed in Crimea in December 2014.
Now in Kaspiysk as part of the Caspian flotilla a new 51st separate coastal missile division has been formed, equipped with a new set of 3K60 Bal coastal mobile anti-ship missile system.
https://bmpd.livejournal.com/3927068.html
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Re: Coastal Missile Systems
Coast Defense troops have a very long history. Their task is obvious: to prevent the enemy fleet from reaching their shores, preventing the landing of enemy assault forces and the fire action of enemy ships on their ground targets.
Of course, until the second half of the 20th century, the concepts of “coastal defense” and “coastal artillery” were almost complete synonyms. Coastal batteries were installed primarily near their naval base, as well as on the most airborne hazardous areas of the coast. Since these batteries were almost always stationary, large-caliber guns could be installed on them, including towers removed from battleships and cruisers. Coastal guns, especially of large caliber, proved to be very effective against the ground forces of the enemy, if they approached the defended naval base. In particular, the joint operations of the coastal and naval artillery of the Baltic Fleet in 1941 prevented the Germans from capturing Leningrad (if it had fallen, most likely we would have lost the war), and in 1942 the coastal guns of the Black Sea Fleet forced them to pay a very high price for the capture of Sevastopol.
After World War II, coastal guns began to be gradually replaced by coastal anti-ship missiles (usually similar to those installed on warships). The advantages of coastal rocket batteries now over ships carrying the same anti-ship missiles are obvious: coastal installations are much cheaper than ships, smaller in size (therefore they are more maneuverable and can be masked), they are much more convenient to cover with air defense systems. The disadvantages, however, are also obvious: coastal batteries are tied to the shore, which automatically limits the radius of destruction of enemy ships by them. In addition, like air defense, coastal defense is always passive, that is, the initiative in the battle with it always belongs to the naval forces of the enemy. Because of these shortcomings, many countries of the world have abandoned coastal defense altogether, and for those who did not, it usually compensates for the weakness of the fleet.
The Soviet leadership highly appreciated the successes of coastal defense during World War II, and also understood very well that the Soviet Navy (especially the surface fleet) could not compete with the fleets of NATO countries on equal terms. Therefore, from the 50s of the twentieth century, the Soviet coastal defense, which was a kind of Navy troops, began to switch to rocket weapons.
In 1958, the coastal SCKK Sopka with the Komet Comet was adopted for service, and now it has long been decommissioned. In 1966, it was followed by a more advanced Redut missile launcher with supersonic (1.8M) P-35 anti-ship missiles (cruisers of pr. 58 and pr. 1134 were armed with similar missiles). The latest modifications of these missiles (3M44 "Progress") have a flight range of 460 km. The division of this SCRC included two missile batteries of 3-4 launchers in each. In 1978, the coastal PKRK Rubezh with the P-15 anti-ship missiles entered service. These missiles were armed with missile boats pr. 183 and pr. 205, which by that time in the Egyptian and Indian fleets had already achieved military success against the Israeli and Pakistani navy, respectively. P-15 had a range of 8 to 80 km. The Rubezh PKKK division included 4 launchers and ROMs — 2 launchers each.
An attempt to create an ocean-going navy in the USSR in the 1970s and 1980s led to a weakening of attention to coastal defense; after the collapse of the USSR, the situation, of course, worsened. “Redoubts” and “Boundaries” after “Sopka” are seriously outdated, so the country faced the prospect of being completely without coastal defense in the face of a sharp weakening of the Navy. Therefore, urgent measures were taken to change the situation. In 2008, the coastal ballistic missile system "Bal" was adopted for service with anti-ship missiles X-35. In the battalion of this SCRC, there are 4 launchers of 8 anti-ship missiles each, and the missile range reaches 260 km. In 2010, the coastal Bastion anti-ship missile system with the world's most advanced Onyx anti-ship missile system was put into service. It is supersonic (up to 2.6 M), flight range reaches 500 km. In the division - 4 launchers and 4 TZM - 2 anti-ship missiles each.
Today, coastal missile brigades of the Russian Navy have, as a rule, a standard composition: two Bastion divisions and one Balov division. So equipped with the 536th brigade of the Northern Fleet (deployed in the village of Guba Olenya, Murmansk Region), the 25th brigade of the Baltic Fleet (the village of Donskoye, Kaliningrad Region), the 11th brigade of the Black Sea Fleet (Utash village near the city of Anap, Krasnodar Territory), 520- I (the Englishwoman village near Petropavlovsk-Kamchatsky) and the 72nd (the Smolyaninovo village near Vladivostok) Pacific Fleet brigade. However, Vladivostok is hiding behind only one Bastion division, the other two divisions of the 72nd Brigade are transferred to the South Kuril Islands, disputed by Japan. The PKKK Bastion division is located on about. Iturup, division of PKK "Ball" - on about. Kunashir. The 11th Black Sea Fleet brigade is the only one in the Navy that has a battery of 6,130 mm coastal self-propelled guns “Bereg” in service. We have nowhere else onshore artillery and, apparently, will not.
In addition, the Novosibirsk Islands (administratively owned by Yakutia, which is part of the BBO responsibility zone, but, like other Arctic islands included in the North USC), there is a Bastion PKRK battery (2 launchers).
The Caspian flotilla has the 51st coastal missile battalion of the Bal SCRC stationed in Kaspiysk.
The Black Sea Fleet is now the only one of the domestic fleets whose coastal defense includes, apart from missile units, a motorized rifle brigade. This is the 126th coastal defense brigade deployed in the Crimean village of Perevalnoye. It is armed with 41 T-72B tanks, 40 BTR-80s, 1,122 mm D-30 howitzers and BM-21 Grad MLRS, 8 ZU-23–2 anti-aircraft guns. And the 15th brigade (deployed in Sevastopol) is the only one that included the Utes rocket launcher with the 3M44 Progress anti-ship missile, and these missiles are mine-based (which greatly improves their combat stability). In addition, the 15th Brigade has one division each of the Bal and Bastion PKRK.
Outside of Russia, China has the most powerful coastal defense, of course, and it is part of the PLA ground forces. It includes 10 brigades (301st - 304th in the Eastern Command, 311st and 312th in the South, 332nd - 335th - in the North).
The potential of the coastal defense of Syria is very significant. It consists of six divisions of the Sopka and Rubezh anti-ship missile systems, two Bastion anti-ship missile divisions, the S-802 Chinese anti-aircraft missile division (obtained from Iran), and also the SM-4–1 3.130 mm coastal guns. It should be noted that in a civil war, coastal defense is useless, and the threat of a full-scale strike from the sea by the US Navy and other NATO countries for Syria is removed after the deployment of the Russian military group in the country (April 2017-2018 “performances” with “Tomahawks” cannot be considered real blows )
The coastal defense of Vietnam has almost the same serious potential. It also has two divisions of the Bastion PKKK, several divisions of Sopka and Rubezha each, a significant number of artillery pieces.
As part of the coastal defense of the DPRK, there are HY-1, HY-2 (Chinese-made), "Sopka", and SM-4–1, M-1992, M-46, and ML-20 guns. Their number is unknown, but obviously very large. However, all this technique is seriously outdated.
In Cuba's coastal defense there are the same Rubezh anti-aircraft missile systems, including P-15 anti-ship missiles, removed from missile boats and mounted on the chassis of T-55 tanks, guns A-19, M-46, ML-20. Their number is also unknown and clearly much less than that of the DPRK.
The coastal defense of Japan has a very significant potential (it is not part of the Navy, as in most countries, but the ground forces, as in China), it is armed with at least 100 launchers of self-made anti-ship missiles Tour 88 and 6 launchers of the latest anti-ship missiles Tour 12.
In Iran, there is one brigade of Chinese coastal anti-aircraft missiles HY-2 and S-802, produced in this country under license.
In Yemen, there are two divisions of the Rubezh PKKK and 36 SM-4–1 guns (130 mm). Their legal capacity is currently in great doubt. At the same time, Hussite rebels, namely coastal anti-ship missiles, hit the high-speed catamaran HSV-2, which worked in the interests of the UAE. Apparently, they did this with the help of the Sino-Iran S-802.
The coastal defense of Egypt, as well as their other types and types of troops, is eclectic and armed with both Western (Italian SCRK Otomat) and Soviet (SCRK Rubezh, guns SM-4–1) systems.
The two countries have coastal defense based on the French Exoset SCRC. In Cyprus, there are 24 launchers of such missiles, and Qatar has 3 launchers.
In NATO, only three countries have coastal defense forces. The Spanish Armed Forces are unique in that they have only coastal artillery (1.155 mm SBT155 / 52APUSBTV07 guns) in the absence of anti-ship missiles. The Polish Navy recently adopted two batteries of the Norwegian anti-ship missile system NSM (12 launchers of 4 anti-ship missiles). Croatia is armed with three Swedish RBS-15K SCRK batteries and 21 artillery batteries.
On the same SCRK RBS-15 based coastal defense of two European neutrals. The Swedish Armed Forces themselves have 6 RBS-15KA launchers, as well as 90 RBS-17 launchers, which are an anti-ship variant of the American Hellfire anti-ship missile system (they can only effectively hit boats). The Finnish Armed Forces have 4 RBS-15K launchers, as well as significant coastal artillery - 30 K-53tk guns, 72 K-54RT (Soviet M-46), 1,130K90-60 (130 mm), 16 T-55 tank towers (100 mm ) (the latter may have been decommissioned).
Thus, both in quantitative and in qualitative parameters, the coastal defense of the Russian Navy is the strongest in the world. Which does not mean at all that its forces and means are sufficient to cover the gigantic length of the Russian coast. This is especially true of two ocean fleets - SF and Pacific Fleet.
In addition, the question arises - should we stop stamping numerous corvettes of several completely different projects at once (“Is the“ mosquito fleet ”relevant in the 21st century”, “NVO”, 06/28/2019)? And wouldn’t it be easier and cheaper to deploy additional forces of this coastal defense, as well as ground-based mobile launchers of cruise missiles instead? After all, there is no agreement on the INF Treaty now, and all these corvettes were just planned as carriers of the SLCM, when the agreement was still in place. Having abandoned them, it would be possible at the same time to stop being tormented by the issue of import substitution of diesel engines for all of our coastal "little things." But no, corvettes with very weak air defense and absolutely no means of anti-aircraft defense, of course, will be built. Just because the “process has begun” and the funds must be mastered.
Of course, until the second half of the 20th century, the concepts of “coastal defense” and “coastal artillery” were almost complete synonyms. Coastal batteries were installed primarily near their naval base, as well as on the most airborne hazardous areas of the coast. Since these batteries were almost always stationary, large-caliber guns could be installed on them, including towers removed from battleships and cruisers. Coastal guns, especially of large caliber, proved to be very effective against the ground forces of the enemy, if they approached the defended naval base. In particular, the joint operations of the coastal and naval artillery of the Baltic Fleet in 1941 prevented the Germans from capturing Leningrad (if it had fallen, most likely we would have lost the war), and in 1942 the coastal guns of the Black Sea Fleet forced them to pay a very high price for the capture of Sevastopol.
After World War II, coastal guns began to be gradually replaced by coastal anti-ship missiles (usually similar to those installed on warships). The advantages of coastal rocket batteries now over ships carrying the same anti-ship missiles are obvious: coastal installations are much cheaper than ships, smaller in size (therefore they are more maneuverable and can be masked), they are much more convenient to cover with air defense systems. The disadvantages, however, are also obvious: coastal batteries are tied to the shore, which automatically limits the radius of destruction of enemy ships by them. In addition, like air defense, coastal defense is always passive, that is, the initiative in the battle with it always belongs to the naval forces of the enemy. Because of these shortcomings, many countries of the world have abandoned coastal defense altogether, and for those who did not, it usually compensates for the weakness of the fleet.
The Soviet leadership highly appreciated the successes of coastal defense during World War II, and also understood very well that the Soviet Navy (especially the surface fleet) could not compete with the fleets of NATO countries on equal terms. Therefore, from the 50s of the twentieth century, the Soviet coastal defense, which was a kind of Navy troops, began to switch to rocket weapons.
In 1958, the coastal SCKK Sopka with the Komet Comet was adopted for service, and now it has long been decommissioned. In 1966, it was followed by a more advanced Redut missile launcher with supersonic (1.8M) P-35 anti-ship missiles (cruisers of pr. 58 and pr. 1134 were armed with similar missiles). The latest modifications of these missiles (3M44 "Progress") have a flight range of 460 km. The division of this SCRC included two missile batteries of 3-4 launchers in each. In 1978, the coastal PKRK Rubezh with the P-15 anti-ship missiles entered service. These missiles were armed with missile boats pr. 183 and pr. 205, which by that time in the Egyptian and Indian fleets had already achieved military success against the Israeli and Pakistani navy, respectively. P-15 had a range of 8 to 80 km. The Rubezh PKKK division included 4 launchers and ROMs — 2 launchers each.
An attempt to create an ocean-going navy in the USSR in the 1970s and 1980s led to a weakening of attention to coastal defense; after the collapse of the USSR, the situation, of course, worsened. “Redoubts” and “Boundaries” after “Sopka” are seriously outdated, so the country faced the prospect of being completely without coastal defense in the face of a sharp weakening of the Navy. Therefore, urgent measures were taken to change the situation. In 2008, the coastal ballistic missile system "Bal" was adopted for service with anti-ship missiles X-35. In the battalion of this SCRC, there are 4 launchers of 8 anti-ship missiles each, and the missile range reaches 260 km. In 2010, the coastal Bastion anti-ship missile system with the world's most advanced Onyx anti-ship missile system was put into service. It is supersonic (up to 2.6 M), flight range reaches 500 km. In the division - 4 launchers and 4 TZM - 2 anti-ship missiles each.
Today, coastal missile brigades of the Russian Navy have, as a rule, a standard composition: two Bastion divisions and one Balov division. So equipped with the 536th brigade of the Northern Fleet (deployed in the village of Guba Olenya, Murmansk Region), the 25th brigade of the Baltic Fleet (the village of Donskoye, Kaliningrad Region), the 11th brigade of the Black Sea Fleet (Utash village near the city of Anap, Krasnodar Territory), 520- I (the Englishwoman village near Petropavlovsk-Kamchatsky) and the 72nd (the Smolyaninovo village near Vladivostok) Pacific Fleet brigade. However, Vladivostok is hiding behind only one Bastion division, the other two divisions of the 72nd Brigade are transferred to the South Kuril Islands, disputed by Japan. The PKKK Bastion division is located on about. Iturup, division of PKK "Ball" - on about. Kunashir. The 11th Black Sea Fleet brigade is the only one in the Navy that has a battery of 6,130 mm coastal self-propelled guns “Bereg” in service. We have nowhere else onshore artillery and, apparently, will not.
In addition, the Novosibirsk Islands (administratively owned by Yakutia, which is part of the BBO responsibility zone, but, like other Arctic islands included in the North USC), there is a Bastion PKRK battery (2 launchers).
The Caspian flotilla has the 51st coastal missile battalion of the Bal SCRC stationed in Kaspiysk.
The Black Sea Fleet is now the only one of the domestic fleets whose coastal defense includes, apart from missile units, a motorized rifle brigade. This is the 126th coastal defense brigade deployed in the Crimean village of Perevalnoye. It is armed with 41 T-72B tanks, 40 BTR-80s, 1,122 mm D-30 howitzers and BM-21 Grad MLRS, 8 ZU-23–2 anti-aircraft guns. And the 15th brigade (deployed in Sevastopol) is the only one that included the Utes rocket launcher with the 3M44 Progress anti-ship missile, and these missiles are mine-based (which greatly improves their combat stability). In addition, the 15th Brigade has one division each of the Bal and Bastion PKRK.
Outside of Russia, China has the most powerful coastal defense, of course, and it is part of the PLA ground forces. It includes 10 brigades (301st - 304th in the Eastern Command, 311st and 312th in the South, 332nd - 335th - in the North).
The potential of the coastal defense of Syria is very significant. It consists of six divisions of the Sopka and Rubezh anti-ship missile systems, two Bastion anti-ship missile divisions, the S-802 Chinese anti-aircraft missile division (obtained from Iran), and also the SM-4–1 3.130 mm coastal guns. It should be noted that in a civil war, coastal defense is useless, and the threat of a full-scale strike from the sea by the US Navy and other NATO countries for Syria is removed after the deployment of the Russian military group in the country (April 2017-2018 “performances” with “Tomahawks” cannot be considered real blows )
The coastal defense of Vietnam has almost the same serious potential. It also has two divisions of the Bastion PKKK, several divisions of Sopka and Rubezha each, a significant number of artillery pieces.
As part of the coastal defense of the DPRK, there are HY-1, HY-2 (Chinese-made), "Sopka", and SM-4–1, M-1992, M-46, and ML-20 guns. Their number is unknown, but obviously very large. However, all this technique is seriously outdated.
In Cuba's coastal defense there are the same Rubezh anti-aircraft missile systems, including P-15 anti-ship missiles, removed from missile boats and mounted on the chassis of T-55 tanks, guns A-19, M-46, ML-20. Their number is also unknown and clearly much less than that of the DPRK.
The coastal defense of Japan has a very significant potential (it is not part of the Navy, as in most countries, but the ground forces, as in China), it is armed with at least 100 launchers of self-made anti-ship missiles Tour 88 and 6 launchers of the latest anti-ship missiles Tour 12.
In Iran, there is one brigade of Chinese coastal anti-aircraft missiles HY-2 and S-802, produced in this country under license.
In Yemen, there are two divisions of the Rubezh PKKK and 36 SM-4–1 guns (130 mm). Their legal capacity is currently in great doubt. At the same time, Hussite rebels, namely coastal anti-ship missiles, hit the high-speed catamaran HSV-2, which worked in the interests of the UAE. Apparently, they did this with the help of the Sino-Iran S-802.
The coastal defense of Egypt, as well as their other types and types of troops, is eclectic and armed with both Western (Italian SCRK Otomat) and Soviet (SCRK Rubezh, guns SM-4–1) systems.
The two countries have coastal defense based on the French Exoset SCRC. In Cyprus, there are 24 launchers of such missiles, and Qatar has 3 launchers.
In NATO, only three countries have coastal defense forces. The Spanish Armed Forces are unique in that they have only coastal artillery (1.155 mm SBT155 / 52APUSBTV07 guns) in the absence of anti-ship missiles. The Polish Navy recently adopted two batteries of the Norwegian anti-ship missile system NSM (12 launchers of 4 anti-ship missiles). Croatia is armed with three Swedish RBS-15K SCRK batteries and 21 artillery batteries.
On the same SCRK RBS-15 based coastal defense of two European neutrals. The Swedish Armed Forces themselves have 6 RBS-15KA launchers, as well as 90 RBS-17 launchers, which are an anti-ship variant of the American Hellfire anti-ship missile system (they can only effectively hit boats). The Finnish Armed Forces have 4 RBS-15K launchers, as well as significant coastal artillery - 30 K-53tk guns, 72 K-54RT (Soviet M-46), 1,130K90-60 (130 mm), 16 T-55 tank towers (100 mm ) (the latter may have been decommissioned).
Thus, both in quantitative and in qualitative parameters, the coastal defense of the Russian Navy is the strongest in the world. Which does not mean at all that its forces and means are sufficient to cover the gigantic length of the Russian coast. This is especially true of two ocean fleets - SF and Pacific Fleet.
In addition, the question arises - should we stop stamping numerous corvettes of several completely different projects at once (“Is the“ mosquito fleet ”relevant in the 21st century”, “NVO”, 06/28/2019)? And wouldn’t it be easier and cheaper to deploy additional forces of this coastal defense, as well as ground-based mobile launchers of cruise missiles instead? After all, there is no agreement on the INF Treaty now, and all these corvettes were just planned as carriers of the SLCM, when the agreement was still in place. Having abandoned them, it would be possible at the same time to stop being tormented by the issue of import substitution of diesel engines for all of our coastal "little things." But no, corvettes with very weak air defense and absolutely no means of anti-aircraft defense, of course, will be built. Just because the “process has begun” and the funds must be mastered.
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Russia’s northernmost missile unit uses Bastion coastal defense systems in Arctic drills
The Bastion coastal defense missile systems armed with Oniks supersonic anti-ship cruise missiles are in service with the Northern Fleet’s Arctic units stationed on the Alexandra Land and Kotelny islands
https://tass.com/defense/1149205
The Bastion coastal defense missile systems armed with Oniks supersonic anti-ship cruise missiles are in service with the Northern Fleet’s Arctic units stationed on the Alexandra Land and Kotelny islands
https://tass.com/defense/1149205
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Once they get their 1000km range Mach 5 missile, they'd be able to cover the entire Arctic from Franz Josef Island!
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And most importantly the most critical target out there would be AEGIS cruisers acting as sea mobile ABMs which means they will have to be scanning for targets so they should not be too hard to locate even without satellite imagery.
Of course in terms of finding ships IR should have no problem spotting ships in cold arctic waters...
Of course in terms of finding ships IR should have no problem spotting ships in cold arctic waters...
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But in lo-lo profile flight Onyx missile has a short range only about 120-300km. Will be similar in the case of Cirkon. With a low flight profile, its range will also be about 300-400 km
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Arrow wrote:But in lo-lo profile flight Onyx missile has a short range only about 120-300km. Will be similar in the case of Cirkon. With a low flight profile, its range will also be about 300-400 km
Zirkon is design to use is high speed to evade missile interception, not to escape radar detection. No need for low trajectory.
Oniks can fly high to reach greater distances flying high but will reduce its altitude while getting closer. No radar will see it at 600km. Neither at 200km. Once it is at 150km it will go bellow 2000m, once it is at 100km it will go bellow 1000m and then go at 50m and in the last 15km it will go at 3-5m.
Russia has already tested its RCS against its own S-400 and otger L babd radars. They know approximately at what distance it can be seen and by what radar.
With 300-600km range compare toNato missiles even at it smallest range it still outranges them by 50 km. There is no need to fire it at max range so a high-low trajectory with 400km is perfect.
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The pic doesn't show coverage of the new unit on Alexandra Land- N. Barentz & Norwegian Seas.Arctic is now quite well covered by Bastion battalions.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alexandra_Land
http://www.kxan36news.com/russias-northernmost-missile-unit-uses-bastion-coastal-defense-systems-in-arctic-drills
https://www.express.co.uk/news/world/1273640/vladimir-putin-russia-news-latest-arctic-missile-systems-world-war-3-royal-navy-oniks
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Tsavo Lion wrote:The pic doesn't show coverage of the new unit on Alexandra Land- N. Barentz & Norwegian Seas.Arctic is now quite well covered by Bastion battalions.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alexandra_Land
http://www.kxan36news.com/russias-northernmost-missile-unit-uses-bastion-coastal-defense-systems-in-arctic-drills
https://www.express.co.uk/news/world/1273640/vladimir-putin-russia-news-latest-arctic-missile-systems-world-war-3-royal-navy-oniks
I believe that is the circle closest to the North. A missing unit is the Vladivostok one and I'm not sure if all the other Northern units are active yet as opposed to planned. The unit covering the Bering Strait would be incorrect in it's position.
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A battalion of the coastal missile systems Bal has coped with the virtual task of destroying a hypothetical enemy’s ship in the Caspian Sea during the command and staff exercise Kavkaz-2020, the Defense Ministry told the media on Wednesday.
The system was deployed on the Caspian Sea coast in Dagestan. The small missile ship The Uglich performed the role of an enemy naval vessel.
The system was deployed on the Caspian Sea coast in Dagestan. The small missile ship The Uglich performed the role of an enemy naval vessel.