Of course it is all a very hypothetic situation.
And yes, the point was that nukes "don't exist" or won't be used.
That renders it even more unrealistic... it is like demanding the Russians don't use long range anti ship missiles or the US does not use carrier based aviation...
In the scenario proposed by you the surveillance, numerical ,tonnage and force concentration capabilities would be all in US Navy's favour that would likely achieve an easy victory.
But of course the fundamental problem is that it would never happen in the first place... Russia has no reason to send all their ships out into the middle of nowhere with no support.
Rather the other way around, Russia only has the trade lines that they can protect.
Reasonable, and their future plans for CVN and destroyers and cruisers as well as the helicopter carriers they are building now show an interest in expanding those trade lines by expanding their capacity to operate away from Russian defended airspace.
Yes the scenario is a bit of a stretch but in general it can be generalized to other situations that could actually happen.
After reading Firebirds post it seems he wants us to tell him that with the new hypersonic anti ship missiles even with just new corvettes in tiny numbers and new frigates in tiny numbers and only upgraded cold war destroyers and upgraded cold war Cruisers that the Russian Navy is now the best in the world.
The simple fact is that the new Corvettes can defend themselves but not much more, they simply don't carry enough missiles to mount an attack on a much larger force let alone defend itself from a large sustained attack.
The Frigates are better armed but not enough to make them better able to take on an enemy than two corvettes.
Individually they are very capable ships and in groups as part of teams they will be excellent, but they need new destroyers and new cruisers and at least one carrier to operate away from shore.
Working as a team they don't need hundreds of ships, but they need a lot more than they currently have.
I would say the Russian Navy would be a serious challenge for the Royal Navy because I really don't think much of the F-35, but I think they would struggle against the French in terms of surface ships. Include subs and the Russians would beat both together despite their serious lack of modern ships and subs.
For that to be real, you need to be able to defy blockades and piracy acts essentially anywhere in the world ocean including high seas.
I rather doubt any country would try to stop a Gorshkov Frigate let alone an upgraded Kirov... for most roles at sea a Corvette would do and be cheap at doing it, but I suspect their upgraded Udaloys will get that mission with their size allowing endurance and range and their new armament is good enough.
Since they are continuously ramping up tensions, it will happen sooner or later.
Biden has backed down a few time... tension is good for him, but he knows an actual conflict is really not in their interests.
The proper way of escalating is in theater, otherwise your off-theater response enables another from your opponent, that you may not like. That is a difficult to predict game to play.
It the other side starts hijacking your ships then obviously you have to reply in kind so when they complain you can offer to release the ship if they release yours and to stop breaking international law...
Why do you think there are resident USN fleets in every maritime region of the world?
Cause they are
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They would be there in a matter of hours or days at most and kick your balls.
Do what now?
When fighting speed boats with HMGs as main armament, they panic and shoot down airliners... when it comes to ball busting the USN does not spring to mind.
Fixation on land attack is something VMF does not need and happily does not pursuit.
It is very important in many situations.
In a Falkland Islands type situation a few cruise missiles armed with concrete piercing submunitions could be launched and programmed to fly down the line of a runway releasing munitions as it goes reducing the threat to Russian ships and friendly ships in the area at minimum risk of killing anyone...
You yourself explained in all detail few days ago how easy would be for a CBG to use their aircraft outside of the corvette's range and overwhelm its defences. Apart that corvettes are not ocean going ships...
Think of it as a padlock on a gate or door... it is a barrier to cross. Most honest people will see the padlock and move along. The criminals will think there is something valuable there and risk trying to get inside.
The point is that a Corvette operating with a tanker or cargo ship basically tells US and UK and French and other busybody interfering navies not to try to board these ships or there will be problems.
Now in normal peace time conditions those western forces are not going to sink that corvette so they can board a ship it was escorting... and if they did try when they started the attack the Corvette can communicate via Satellite their situation, which would likely also indicate the nearby western ships involved in such an operation which could be targeted using Onyx if necessary, or a nearby Yasen could deliver the present.
Having a range of 1,000km means that Corvette and SSGN can cover a large area of sea.
What about PLAN and VMF protecting commercial convoys? Seems military fiction but may turn a reality in few years.
Well USN actions and UK actions on behalf of the US make such actions necessary and reasonable.
Certainly a few mercs on board any container ship or tanker with PKPs and RPGs and a few SVDs and Kords should be reasonably safe from most pirate threats, whether they are in helicopters or speed boats.
I rather suspect it will come down to how often the US et al play such cards as to whether it is actually worth doing something about it.
I posted a video about the Karakurt and they mention it is more a patrol/policing type vessel intended for anti piracy missions.
A small craft is not totally suited to operate around the planet because as I have mentioned before a 20-30 day endurance would mean from Russia it would take 1-2 weeks to get to the Somali coast... with a 20 day endurance that means it is almost time to head home.
Obviously a larger vessel with more stores could operate longer, but larger ships would also cost more and be rather a bit of a waste for such a task.
The Karakurt with extra internal space and relatively small crew could operate with a support ship... the transit time is the killer because it is time it is not doing anything useful, so having a support ship with it it could remain for much longer periods and even replacement crews could be delivered to the ship if needed.
Its rear launched speed boats would also be ideal for the anti piracy job together with a helicopter...
They have land border, why would they have to?
I suspect he meant to their respective customers around the world and not between China and Russia.
Also if they ever end up being stupid enough to get themselves in the situation where they have to fend off USN over a convoy then RIP and they deserve everything that USN does to them
Yeah, I rather think the USN stupidity over commercial shipping is not something Russia or China have any control of let alone responsibility for.
Taking sensible measures is just being sensible.
Oh yeah those massive numbers of Gorshkov frigates they keep ordering just scream "winner spirit"
The US built LCS can do 12 knots and don't work, so they are winners... they just need to make more of them.
Have posted a video about future Russian ships and the shipyard owners say making one off designs is slow and complex, and that an order for serial production of 10-15 would enable them to produce at a good rate as long as there are no upgrades or changes for every ship...
Once nukes are off the table, suddenly raw tonnage and superior force concentrations matter so much more. That the USN shines in such onanist fantasies says a lot, really.
True, but while the USN does have a crushing advantage in numbers they are not all in such great states... half their carriers and carrier groups would likely need to head directly to port for repairs and upgrades they are currently in port waiting for... but then the Kuznestov is in the same boat at the moment... perfectly normal.
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