The Situation in the Ukraine. #27

https://twitter.com/imerkouri/status/906944325841539072
This link has the video. Pretty funny.

He's arrived in Lvov and made a speech to which people started screaming "Slava Ukraine". Timoshenko is traveling with him, no idea what her play here is but that's a big political figure already.

Let's rewind back to 2013. Everything started in the Western regions. Saakashvili realizes that if he wants to have a chance, he needs the support of these regions. There's a huge rift going on right now and the unloyalty of the border guards is already a sign (they haven't stopped him as they were ordered).

There were alot of them but the police force wasn't tiny by any means. Then he was allowed to travel uninterrupted all the way to Lvov and the mayor of Lvov thinks he's about to travel to Kiev next.

I am watching to NewsOne right now (Ukrainian news channel) and I haven't heard/seen such an amount of anti-Poroshenko content in a long time. IMHO, that's definitely a noticeable change.

Bonus:

https://www.facebook.com/dimitrievigor/videos/1532914720100071/

Laughed my ass off. Sums up Ukraine pretty much.

Extremely apprehensive of U.N Peacekeepers. It's just a false flag waiting to happen among many other ways it can go totally wrong. Even if the Kremlin comes up with a resolution that muzzles their activities and areas of operation; they will still get abused by Western powers for their agenda. It's not a win anyway you spin it. Russia will certainly not beat the West on the PR front if that is what it seeks - unless it seeks a way out - aka capitulation. The West could care less about abuses from the UKrop Mafia... if it wasn't so obvious already that they actually encourage it behind the scenes.

ATLASCUB wrote:Extremely apprehensive of U.N Peacekeepers. It's just a false flag waiting to happen among many other ways it can go totally wrong. Even if the Kremlin comes up with a resolution that muzzles their activities and areas of operation; they will still get abused by Western powers for their agenda. It's not a win anyway you spin it. Russia will certainly not beat the West on the PR front if that what it seeks - unless it seeks a way out - aka capitulation. The West could care less about abuses from the UKrop Mafia... if it wasn't so obvious already.

This I agree with.  Only thing Russia is doing is attempting the hope that the UN forces that are involved will be those of the Minsk agreement, which prevents Ukraine from acting out.  But as soon as the US gets involved, it is game over on the good use of the UN forces.  It will just be one attempt vs another of the US to de-legitimize the Novorussian forces.  I think the Russian's didn't think this one through very carefully.  But only thing I imagine is that they already have their part of the plan laid out and that if the US tries to add its own forms to it that makes it obvious of their intentions, Russia will end up vetoing it.

Let us not fool ourselves here. Ukraine could go all in SS style in creating a genocide in Ukraine, and the west will promote it. It is essentially happening already (not as extreme, but doing so little by little), and they are getting praises from the US in doing so. So why bother? In the end, Russia should have done in Novorussia as it did in Crimea - sent its forces in and have 24/7 aircraft support and air defense support to give Novorussians the right to declare independence. But I think the Russians were expecting Ukraine to collapse not long after, but they never expected the Ukrainians to be this stupid (the general population) and willingly able to live in sever poverty, just to keep this sad form of a project alive.

miketheterrible wrote:

ATLASCUB wrote:Extremely apprehensive of U.N Peacekeepers. It's just a false flag waiting to happen among many other ways it can go totally wrong. Even if the Kremlin comes up with a resolution that muzzles their activities and areas of operation; they will still get abused by Western powers for their agenda. It's not a win anyway you spin it. Russia will certainly not beat the West on the PR front if that what it seeks - unless it seeks a way out - aka capitulation. The West could care less about abuses from the UKrop Mafia... if it wasn't so obvious already.

This I agree with.  Only thing Russia is doing is attempting the hope that the UN forces that are involved will be those of the Minsk agreement, which prevents Ukraine from acting out.  But as soon as the US gets involved, it is game over on the good use of the UN forces.  It will just be one attempt vs another of the US to de-legitimize the Novorussian forces.  I think the Russian's didn't think this one through very carefully.  But only thing I imagine is that they already have their part of the plan laid out and that if the US tries to add its own forms to it that makes it obvious of their intentions, Russia will end up vetoing it.

Let us not fool ourselves here.  Ukraine could go all in SS style in creating a genocide in Ukraine, and the west will promote it.  It is essentially happening already (not as extreme, but doing so little by little), and they are getting praises from the US in doing so.  So why bother?  In the end, Russia should have done in Novorussia as it did in Crimea - sent its forces in and have 24/7 aircraft support and air defense support to give Novorussians the right to declare independence.  But I think the Russians were expecting Ukraine to collapse not long after, but they never expected the Ukrainians to be this stupid (the general population) and willingly able to live in sever poverty, just to keep this sad form of a project alive.

Georgia is perfect example of "peacekeeping" gone wary. In the end, it was Russia who was the invader, bully, aggressor and oppressor. Again, the propaganda of the West rules their lands....that's is a fact.

We'll see. At the end of the day we lack the intelligence info to understand the true motives behind Russian moves. They could naively think this could work out in their favor if tweaked a specific way somehow or this could be a ploy to capitulate to lay the ground for sanctions relief. Who knows...all is possible.

I agree for the most part except Ukranians being stupid. Actually they're very smart at self preservation. There is no leadership in that country worth dying for - and Russia is not coming to save them either. Why die in vain by taking up arms? Because that's what it will take to cleanse Kiev - a lot of blood. Russia was very clear about the extent of its support for separatism and armed rebellion the moment it "signed" the Minsk agreement, and it's not willing to make the sacrifices a full regime change putsch requires - either due to fear of the consequences - perhaps those it can not predict or inability in its capacity to carry it through successfully on all fronts - the militarily aspect just being one of many. There is the political aspect, the economic etc etc.

Yanu deciding to flee like a rat, and the Kremlin taking him in was a grave mistake as well - and a great example that many Ukranians saw and took notes from. With leaders like that...boy. The Ukraine project worked spectacularly for the U.S execution wise - Russia trampling itself made it much easier.....just too good. "But but...Crimea? Novorussia?" Pretty sure the Americans factored a Russian response to their project....and it proved weak. One should not fail to speculate that Americans might have even used Georgia as test run for Russia's preferred response to situations like these - that is; splitting small chucks of territory as the acceptable course of action vs. full scale takeover American style with a new puppet gov.

At the end of the day Ukraine is a dump thousand of miles away from the U.S. It's not the U.S that's getting sanctioned for "Ukraine" by a bunch of countries. It's not America that's got a failed state right next door (a brotherly state at that). It's not America the one that's got a bordering state aligning itself with its #1 geopolitical enemy and becoming defacto enemy of Russia. It's not America who's got to worry about getting encircled militarily...............etc etc etc etc.

They look like lifeboats from the Ark. What junque yard did the orcs dig them out of?

Some 88 civilians killed, 354 injured in Donbas last year - OSCE

Some 68 civilians killed, 315 injured in Donbas since beginning of this year - OSCE

franco wrote:Some 88 civilians killed, 354 injured in Donbas last year - OSCE

Some 68 civilians killed, 315 injured in Donbas since beginning of this year - OSCE

That is a lot killed and injured. Non-surprising is the lack of condemnation against Ukraine.

https://sputniknews.com/analysis/201709161057451059-ukraine-china-military-cooperation-problems/?utm_referrer=https%3A%2F%2Fzen.yandex.com

Looks like China tried to purchase Motor-Sich and the Ukrainian authorities stopped it. I will admit on Ukraines side, it was an ideal thing to do especially given that it is a strategic company for them (Ukraine) and China has experience in the past of just copy+paste that will end up ditching the company in Ukraine. But, still, this will hurt further potential work between the two countries. Personally, I like to see more of these mishaps between the two.

https://sputniknews.com/europe/201709171057462463-donetsk-ban-ukrainian-pork/

It appears African Swine Fever is hitting EEU, Ukraine, particularly hard.

Unmanned aerial vehicle Orlan-10 in Donbass

As reported on September 17, 2017 Ukrainian "press center ATU", near the city of Novogrodovka occupied by Ukrainian forces of the Donetsk region fell unmanned aerial vehicle Orlan-10 "of Russian production. The device with the serial number "11057", according to this message, fell as a result of a technical malfunction. It is alleged that "these UAVs are often used by Russians in the Donbas for reconnaissance and correction of artillery fire."



The unmanned aircraft "Orlan-10" of Russian production (serial number "11057"), fallen near the town of Novogrodovka, part of the Donetsk region occupied by the Ukrainian forces, in September 2017 (c) the press center of the ATU

It is interesting to describe "the press center of ATO" a description of how to use the data of UAV:

For example, if there are three unmanned vehicles in the group, the first one is reconnaissance at an altitude of 1000-1500 m, the second is an UAV of electronic warfare, the third is a repeater, which carries out the transfer of intelligence information to the control center (the altitude is 4.5-5 km or more) .Although there are two reconnaissance vehicles and a repeater in the group, it is probable that in the group of two UAVs additional equipment for setting up active noise interference is installed on the reconnaissance unit. "

The developer and manufacturer of the multipurpose unmanned vehicle "Orplan-10" is LLC "Special Technology Center" (St. Petersburg).















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JohninMK wrote:How to win friends Ukrainian style. Ban teaching from next September in any other language than Ukrainian in most schools and all schools from 2020.

This has immediately pissed off the Romanians, Moldovans, Hungarians, probably others, let alone the Russian speakers. To such an extent that the Hungarian Government has instructed its diplomats to actively obstruct any Ukrainian diplomatic move they can.

More details at http://www.fort-russ.com/2017/09/ukraine-education-reform-goodbye.html

Whilst this is a long article on the possible strategic effects

http://www.fort-russ.com/2017/09/ukraines-new-education-law-threatens-to.html

You forgot the Rusins, but apparently you are deeply convinced that they are ethnic Ukrainians.

And there are also some ethnic Poles left, but not that many, and it is not like the Polish government will support them anyways since it has Ukraine and the ethnic Ukrainians in Poland to support.

JohninMK wrote:

Odin of Ossetia wrote:

JohninMK wrote:How to win friends Ukrainian style. Ban teaching from next September in any other language than Ukrainian in most schools and all schools from 2020.

This has immediately pissed off the Romanians, Moldovans, Hungarians, probably others, let alone the Russian speakers. To such an extent that the Hungarian Government has instructed its diplomats to actively obstruct any Ukrainian diplomatic move they can.

More details at http://www.fort-russ.com/2017/09/ukraine-education-reform-goodbye.html

Whilst this is a long article on the possible strategic effects

http://www.fort-russ.com/2017/09/ukraines-new-education-law-threatens-to.html

You forgot the Rusins, but apparently you are deeply convinced that they are ethnic Ukrainians.

And there are also some ethnic Poles left, but not that many, and it is not like the Polish government will support them anyways since it has Ukraine and the ethnic Ukrainians in Poland to support.

I didn't leave them out intentionally, just lack of knowledge.

And "Moldovans" are actually ethnic Romanians.