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    Post  starman Thu Apr 12, 2018 12:35 pm

    Isos wrote:Syria has moved some planes probably mig-29s to Russian airbase.

    Wise move. Maybe the US can now launch a few missiles at a vacated Syrian base, claim it retaliated and as long as losses and damage are minimal, Russia won't be under much pressure to strike back.
    But...tensions have risen so much lately things could easily get out of hand in the event of  any attack.
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    Post  Isos Thu Apr 12, 2018 12:47 pm

    starman wrote:
    Isos wrote:Syria has moved some planes probably mig-29s to Russian airbase.

    Wise move. Maybe the US can now launch a few missiles at a vacated Syrian base, claim it retaliated and as long as losses and damage are minimal, Russia won't be under much pressure to strike back.
    But...tensions have risen so much lately things could easily get out of hand in the event of  any attack.

    Well Trump is calming down. There are reports saying he said that he didn't really said that they will Attack. I think they saw Russia is geting all that seriously and they don't want to risk an open war.
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    Post  ATLASCUB Thu Apr 12, 2018 1:24 pm

    Trump tone change is welcomed.

    Still...these false flags can happen at any time at a moments notice. The threat still stands, specially the more green turns Red. We haven't even gotten to the yellow yet.

    https://www.rt.com/usa/423905-trump-syria-attack-twitter/
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    Post  starman Thu Apr 12, 2018 3:03 pm

    Isos wrote:
    Well Trump is calming down. There are reports saying he said that he didn't really said that they will Attack. I think they saw Russia is geting all that seriously and they don't want to risk an open war.

    Hope this is true. It would be stupid to risk a world war on account of something so trivial, and not really the business of the US anyway.
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    Post  d_taddei2 Thu Apr 12, 2018 11:35 pm

    Things still hot.
    Australia backing an attack
    uk approves military action
    USA spy planes in crete
    uk planes in Cyprus
    Russia flying 2 Tu-95MS and 2 Tu-160 to Iran.

    but it could all be sabre rattling. The thing is they don't have to target syrian air assets troops concentrations just as good a target especially if they target tiger forces this would slow down SAA progress. but I still feel Russia won't shoot down planes but drones and missiles yes. but any responses will be done simultaneously from USA warships uk planes and Israeli planes and possibly french and Australian. Russian and Syrian AD assets will have a hard time.
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    Post  lycantrop Thu Apr 12, 2018 11:48 pm

    d_taddei2 wrote:Things still hot.
    Australia backing an attack
    uk approves military action
    USA spy planes in crete
    uk planes in Cyprus
    Russia flying 2 Tu-95MS and 2 Tu-160 to Iran.

    but it could all be sabre rattling. The thing is they don't have to target syrian air assets troops concentrations just as good a target especially if they target tiger forces this would slow down SAA progress. but I still feel Russia won't shoot down planes but drones and missiles yes. but  any responses will be done simultaneously from USA warships uk planes and Israeli planes and possibly french and Australian. Russian and Syrian AD assets will have a hard time.

    If Israel engage into the aggression against Syra, Iran steps in as this is a clear declearation of war, as Iran and Syria has a security pact
    Putin already told that Netanjahu, IRGC is ready.


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    Post  KiloGolf Thu Apr 12, 2018 11:49 pm

    d_taddei2 wrote:Things still hot.
    Australia backing an attack
    uk approves military action
    USA spy planes in crete
    uk planes in Cyprus
    Russia flying 2 Tu-95MS and 2 Tu-160 to Iran.

    but it could all be sabre rattling. The thing is they don't have to target syrian air assets troops concentrations just as good a target especially if they target tiger forces this would slow down SAA progress. but I still feel Russia won't shoot down planes but drones and missiles yes. but  any responses will be done simultaneously from USA warships uk planes and Israeli planes and possibly french and Australian. Russian and Syrian AD assets will have a hard time.

    If the Coalition decides to strike Syria, there's very little Russia can do.
    The quantity and quality of assets, air bases, aircraft carriers and staging areas nearby, is beyond what the current Russian deployment can handle.
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    Post  lycantrop Thu Apr 12, 2018 11:55 pm

    KiloGolf wrote:
    d_taddei2 wrote:Things still hot.
    Australia backing an attack
    uk approves military action
    USA spy planes in crete
    uk planes in Cyprus
    Russia flying 2 Tu-95MS and 2 Tu-160 to Iran.

    but it could all be sabre rattling. The thing is they don't have to target syrian air assets troops concentrations just as good a target especially if they target tiger forces this would slow down SAA progress. but I still feel Russia won't shoot down planes but drones and missiles yes. but  any responses will be done simultaneously from USA warships uk planes and Israeli planes and possibly french and Australian. Russian and Syrian AD assets will have a hard time.

    If the Coalition decides to strike Syria, there's very little Russia can do.
    The quantity and quality of assets, air bases, aircraft carriers and staging areas nearby, is beyond what the current Russian deployment can handle.

    Oh you are so naive, little Russia can do, really?
    Russia could wipe out all this fancy, expensive toys within minutes with its missiles.
    Google "uss donal cook incident", the most modern destroyer "toasted" with Electromagnetic weapons, no missiles fired...
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    Post  miketheterrible Fri Apr 13, 2018 12:01 am

    Quality? No. There is no quality in NATO weapons. Bunch of subsonic old missiles isn't amazing. But quantity? Yes, they do have that. Major quantity is the problem. Only advanced asset besides some subs, is the Rafale from france. UK are sending tornados...

    Anyway, yeah, Russia could liquidate those bases the planes flew from and the ships. But will they? No. Cause both sides will refrain from hitting each other. Cause if Russia is hit first, then it's declaration of war and Russia can hit back very hard. Of course their base in Syria would be flattened from a saturated attack, but that doesn't mean Russia can't do the same back, from even the comfy positions of back home. Seeing as how they have more than enough long range missiles (not talking about ICBM's either).
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    Post  topor Fri Apr 13, 2018 12:24 am

    [quote
    If the Coalition decides to strike Syria, there's very little Russia can do.
    The quantity and quality of assets, air bases, aircraft carriers and staging areas nearby, is beyond what the current Russian deployment can handle.[/quote]

    so it looks like tonight is going to be decisive moment.

    I agree with you that, globally Russia and Syria are in a worse strategic position than the attacking party. Especially the lack of strategic depth, plus the closeness of Damascus to Lebanon and Israhell, the mountain chain that prevent the air defences from a clear view, and the assets on scene...

    Just as I imagined, USS Donald Cook 100km off the coast, was indeed picketing and sigint gathering, so no attack would have happened.the ship was way too close to coastal missiles. Now that ship is west of Cyprus, so almost out of range of Onyx missiles...so danger

    I guess that Russia informed the "partners" that if attacked, they would not sit back and merely shoot down incoming Tomohawks, but that the whole situation would go hot regionally. So this might have scared off the Americans... I am convinced that Russians have a couple dozen Iskanders in Latakia, and they are already targeted onto Decimonau (Cyprus), Incirlyk (USa part), Saudi Arabia and Jordan airbases.
    I you are really into a fight, you don"t just wait for the incoming punches, you hit back.

    Surely the Russians need to keep those Mainstays in the air as much as possible especially at night, to get as much headtime as they can.
    But there are many many unknown factors to take into account, at least from a military point of view.

    Me thinks, that given the media fuss, Usa will lob a couple of hundred missiles (otherwise they look completely stupid) but mostly form underwater and out of range from coastal Onyxes (800-1000km). The Tomohawks will pass over Lebanon and Israhell then fan out into Syria. So Russias defences in Latakia won't do much against the first round since they are much further north. It will mostly come down to Pin-point defences, that will be under EA attack from Israhell territory.

    Many many unknows:
    -Do you shoot at satellites that fly overhead?
    -Do you shoot at the bases in nearby countries?
    -How efffective are S400/350/300 against LO platforms (F22 will be lobbing SDB 5mins after Electronic Attack starts)?
    -How many 636.6 are in the theater? 2,3,4? i think this is the only credible asset against the US navy

    Let's hope it will only be Shayrat style, 70 launched, 35 hit empty buildings everyone saves the face, nothing more

    <Sleep well people.
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    Post  miketheterrible Fri Apr 13, 2018 12:30 am

    Electronic suppression doesn't work well against S-400 as mentioned in it's own thread. At that, their radar systems have picked up rockets flying at hundreds ofnKM's, and those things have a tiny RCS as well.

    But the rest sounds about right.
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    Post  KiloGolf Fri Apr 13, 2018 12:33 am

    lycantrop wrote:
    KiloGolf wrote:
    d_taddei2 wrote:Things still hot.
    Australia backing an attack
    uk approves military action
    USA spy planes in crete
    uk planes in Cyprus
    Russia flying 2 Tu-95MS and 2 Tu-160 to Iran.

    but it could all be sabre rattling. The thing is they don't have to target syrian air assets troops concentrations just as good a target especially if they target tiger forces this would slow down SAA progress. but I still feel Russia won't shoot down planes but drones and missiles yes. but  any responses will be done simultaneously from USA warships uk planes and Israeli planes and possibly french and Australian. Russian and Syrian AD assets will have a hard time.

    If the Coalition decides to strike Syria, there's very little Russia can do.
    The quantity and quality of assets, air bases, aircraft carriers and staging areas nearby, is beyond what the current Russian deployment can handle.

    Oh you are so naive, little Russia can do, really?
    Russia could wipe out all this fancy, expensive toys within minutes with its missiles.
    Google "uss donal cook incident", the most modern destroyer "toasted" with Electromagnetic weapons, no missiles fired...

    Google Shayrat airbase.
    Listen, I don't support hitting Assad, but they can do as they please over there. Like Israel does all the time. Russia doesn't care about fighting for Assad more than they have to (killing beardies).
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    Post  Isos Fri Apr 13, 2018 1:17 am

    KiloGolf wrote:
    lycantrop wrote:
    KiloGolf wrote:
    d_taddei2 wrote:Things still hot.
    Australia backing an attack
    uk approves military action
    USA spy planes in crete
    uk planes in Cyprus
    Russia flying 2 Tu-95MS and 2 Tu-160 to Iran.

    but it could all be sabre rattling. The thing is they don't have to target syrian air assets troops concentrations just as good a target especially if they target tiger forces this would slow down SAA progress. but I still feel Russia won't shoot down planes but drones and missiles yes. but  any responses will be done simultaneously from USA warships uk planes and Israeli planes and possibly french and Australian. Russian and Syrian AD assets will have a hard time.

    If the Coalition decides to strike Syria, there's very little Russia can do.
    The quantity and quality of assets, air bases, aircraft carriers and staging areas nearby, is beyond what the current Russian deployment can handle.

    Oh you are so naive, little Russia can do, really?
    Russia could wipe out all this fancy, expensive toys within minutes with its missiles.
    Google "uss donal cook incident", the most modern destroyer "toasted" with Electromagnetic weapons, no missiles fired...

    Google Shayrat airbase.
    Listen, I don't support hitting Assad, but they can do as they please over there. Like Israel does all the time. Russia doesn't care about fighting for Assad more than they have to (killing beardies).

    They will never hit russians. Those missiles can be jamed and intercepted for big part.

    Russian air defence can't protect Syria. Only russian bases. Stop this BS about Russian 2 s-400 protecting a country that's BS. It's not a magical system.

    If they hit one Russian soldier, russia will have the right to respond by destroying big value targets like ABM site in europe or even nuk the Incirlik air base in Turkey.

    They have a single Iskander luncher there. They never used it probably because the warheads are nuk. They have said that if they can't defend russian interest from an overwhelming force they will use nuk. That's why US haven't attacked Syria yet. Now they need to find syrian targets where they are sure russians are not and if they lunch an attack the missiles will come from the east or through Israeli and Jordanian airspace.

    Actually I wouldn't be surprised if Russian generals are not hoping for that to happen so they could destroy US assests in Europe and take at least one of the baltics state to connect kaliningrad.
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    Post  Vann7 Fri Apr 13, 2018 5:36 am

    KiloGolf wrote:Google Shayrat airbase.
    Listen, I don't support hitting Assad, but they can do as they please over there. Like Israel does all the time. Russia doesn't care about fighting for Assad more than they have to (killing beardies).

    Like Israel does all the time and their most advanced planes destroyed by Soviet era S-200 defenses.. lol1

    You obviously don't understand neither what RULES of Engagement is ,
    go and look for it on a dictionary.


    Rules of engagement (ROE) are the internal rules or directives among military forces (including individuals) that define the circumstances, conditions, degree, and manner in which the use of force, or actions which might be construed as provocative, may be applied.[1] They provide authorization for and/or limits on, among other things, the use of force and the employment of certain specific capabilities.

    So Russia have S-400s ,S-300s that can deal day and night with anything NATO or Israel have..
    ,but they dont use them against Israel.. they only leave that role to Syria. And Syria have S-200s that
    can target the most advanced planes of Israel.. as was proven by the previous F-16 crash.. Israel electronics
    warfare is not a match not even by a soviet era missile of the 80s.. lol1

    But the low performance of Syrian air defenses.. versus Israel planes.. it have nothing to do with the
    quality but with Syria rules of engament... Syria only target planes violating its airspace.. So this force Israel
    to attack from farther distances..with long range missiles.. This auto limitations are created in a way so that
    Syria can justify its actions ,as self defense.. IF Syria really wanted to stop Israel flights over Syria.. all it needs to do is target the planes far away from Syria territory..but Israel will claim ,that it was an act of war..since they were in international airspace.

    Russia also avoid targeting Israel , So that it can continue playing a game of neutral party. But if Russia wanted
    to Stop Israel.. don't you think that those S-400s could hit israeli planes as soon they take off in Telaviv? or how about Iskanders? an Iskander attack on israel military airports will stop that airforce.. but that will make israel to start a war with Russia.. effectively interrupting the war against ISIS. (which is what Israel wants). They want to interrupt the defeat of terrorist.. and make Russia very busy ,by provoking Russia into a fight with US and other countries.

    So no quality.. only quantity.. but only in Syria. Russia military base is very limited the hardware they can deploy there.. and can't create there a deep layer of air defenses.. either.. which is very important.

    So those S-400s or S-300sv4 of Russia in Syria, have never been used before.. against Americans.
    because of Rules of Engagement.. That they will only be used if Russia military base is at risk..
    But now Russia is modifying their rules and telling Americans ,that if their missiles hit Russian positions ,their warships
    may be hit.. whether Russia will do it or not ..is a different story. it will be a decision policy issue and not a quality issue. But you bet... that if Americans target Russia military base. and or hundreds of Russians soldiers positions bombed.. then Russia will have no choice to bomb the americans warships..or submarines behind the attack.'
    is called self defense.





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    Post  GarryB Fri Apr 13, 2018 5:37 am

    The position of Russia and Syria is difficult, but lets not pretend  there are no problems for the aggressors here.

    Russia has stated that launch platforms are targets too... not just the missiles they launch... does the west know where all the russian owned container ships are?

    Onyx has a range of about 300km in the coastal defence export model, but the air launched model the Su-35 can carry can reach rather greater distances and can be launched from different locations too.

    There are an enormous number of bases in Syria that are known to be occupied by western special forces that are helping the enemies of Assad... instead of retaliating against the US forces that launch cruise missiles... that is what SAMs and fighter planes and AWACS aircraft are for... they could use it to attack comms centres and HQs the US and west are using to support their operations in Syria... do what the US does... take actions or reactions by their enemy to hit unrelated targets you get more value out of killing... how is the US going to complain about its troops getting killed in secret bases they are not supposed to have?

    Like I said show trials of western captured special forces... blame them for planning the chemical attacks... there is plenty of evidence they wanted to stage them even if the actual chemicals were captured before they had a chance and ended up having to just make a fake video instead... some videos of executions would be good too.

    If they hit one Russian soldier, russia will have the right to respond by destroying big value targets like ABM site in europe or even nuk the Incirlik air base in Turkey.

    Too much of an escalation... an attack that sinks a western sub or ship would probably be too much of an escalation unless it is like a 200 missile attack... which will of course require a lot of launch platforms... a coordinated return attack should then be organised and executed as quickly as possible.
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    Post  onwiththewar Fri Apr 13, 2018 5:59 am

    US has reduced "potential targets" to 8.

    https://www.businessinsider.com.au/trump-syria-strike-targets-russia-war-2018-4?r=US&IR=T



    President Donald Trump is said to have nailed down eight potential targets to strike in Syria, including two airfields, a research facility, and a chemical weapons facility, according to a CNBC report.


    So they initially had 22 targets, was going to strike within 24 / 48 / 72 hours.

    Now there are 8 which are also delayed indefinitely, all these targets are unimportant places and the Syrians have more than enough time to evacuate.

    So the $12.5 billion weapon deal between Saudi and US only bought (apart from some half expired "weapons") some bluffing / trash talk from Trump.  I bet Trump is talking to the Saudi prince right now : "Look, Russians won't back down, you need to cash out $1 trillion now."

    Now I start to understand what everybody wants in this war.

    US: No direct interest in Syria, either Assad or not Assad doesn't make much difference to US itself. Make money from Saudi as much as possible, while doing as little as possible.

    Russia: Assad has to stay. Or else Saudi will run pipes through Syria and Russian Nordic Stream becomes meaningless. However, as long as Assad stays, other pro government forces, Russia does not care much. And if US / Nato / Israel strikes won't seriously hurt Assad, Russia used to just let them happen. But things seemed changed a bit after Putin got re-elected. Given the fact both Syria and the Nordic / Turkish stream projects are progressing nicely, it's understandable.

    Germany: either Syrian stream or Nordic Stream will do. Cheaper gas means everything made in Germany will be made cheaper and they can kill competitions across EU. Now Syrian stream is dead for sure, they placed their bet on Nordic Stream and being the 2nd most powerful country in Nato, only gave token / close to nothing support in the Syrian campaign.

    UK: being a much smaller country, gulf countries succeeded in installing / buying out May as their new government.  They also have everything to lose if Nordic countries get cheaper Russian gas. So they bark the hardest, but when it comes to bite, they are under the leash of the US, which is a good thing.

    France and rest of Europe: Tag along and do nothing in the EU, tag along and do nothing in the Nato, echo UK like a cheap bitch.
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    Post  Vann7 Fri Apr 13, 2018 7:02 am

    This are all just games... of deception..

    They will try to minimize their actions to calm society over the threat of world war 3..
    and to minimize the possibilities of Russia response.. So if Russia draw a line they can't cross
    ,then they slide over that line..but with a little bit to the left and right.. in order to get Russia humiliated.

    This is why is a mistake for Russia to be soft.. Russia can play same games.. fire missiles at NATO combat planes
    but not to shot down them.. but to scare them.. and later tell it was just a practice.. but the missiles were not armed
    with explosives..  and harrass NATO warships too , practicing bombing them.. from 300 meters away.. so they will have no time to respond to the missiles if Russia do actually shoot them.

    So they say ... ohh is only 8 places..  but later will say.. ok because we failed..we will do 8 more.. the next day..
    and 8 more.. etc.. So Russia will need to scare them somehow and fire missiles at them and later say "it was just practice".. also Russia needs to chase those combat planes and Lock on them as ready to shoot them down..
    all this actions will interrupt their actions.. by firing a fake missile. that appears to be chasing them.. they will need
    to abort their mission and go on the retreat to evade the missiles.


    They also will like to see ,spy on Russia s-400s signals.. to create jammers for its missiles.. So there is many things
    they can do..and the last one ,they will do is allow Russia or Assad to relax in syria and keep the pressure.

    Is also possible they will do a false flag attack in their countries... Blame "ISIS" ,then later launch hundreds of cruise
    missiles to Syria to "bomb ISIS" but the actual positions bombed will be Syrian army positions and military bases.


    US,France and Britain are simply playing games.. seeking to humiliate Russia and to increase the pressure
    on Syrian army.. Only until Russia shot down a french plane or British or American.. only then they will see
    they no longer can continue playing.. They could use such incident to isolate Russia economy too.. Russia shot down a french plane.. then UK and US will have justification to pressure EU cut its energy business with Russia. This is why Russia needs to privatize its energy and no longer depend on Europe for anything.


    So people should not be confused.. There is war against Russia.. by US,UK and France..but they made it look
    that their actions are "morally guided" to bomb Assad chemicals. or more economic sanctions because hacking
    US elections , or british or french.



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    Post  lulldapull Fri Apr 13, 2018 8:22 am

    This is absolutely true. From the gradual sanctions to the Skripals fraud to the diplomatic expulsions to the fake chemical weapons use in ghouta all bullshit fraud.......

    https://sputniknews.com/analysis/201804121063495919-us-russia-syria-trump-chemicalweapons/

    No doubt about it. The real target has always been Russia. Clear as day! This is a very calculated gradual escalation toward war against Russia.

    The only thing preventing it is Russian resolve and its nuke stockpile. Otherwise they'd have attacked long ago.
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    Post  Isos Fri Apr 13, 2018 9:19 am

    Too much of an escalation... an attack that sinks a western sub or ship would probably be too much of an escalation unless it is like a 200 missile attack... which will of course require a lot of launch platforms... a coordinated return attack should then be organised and executed as quickly as possible.

    Not at all. Maybe nuking a base is too much. But like I said previously the ABM is one of the bigest russian problem since the 2000s. Their general wanted to destroy it even when the situation between us russia were good. Now they could have a reason to do so.
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    Post  Vann7 Fri Apr 13, 2018 9:36 am

    Interesting info..
    And apparently operation by US and Israeli special forces in Syria..
    that failed..



    Here is a comment from TruthMonger in an article about the the staged CW attack. Note how he confirms what Ziad told you about foreign prisoners:

    “The Syrian Arab Army and with the help of Russian captured a shipment of chemical weapons destined for the Eastern Ghouta. These were British weapons produced at Porton Down in Salisbury. Russian suspects that the Skripal incident is related as by their records, Skiripal was working at Porton Down as a chemical weapons trafficker in partnership with a Ukrainian firm. Russia denies attacking Skripal but admits he was under surveillance for his activities involving support of terrorism in Syria and arms trafficking. Russia also confirms that there are British, American, Israeli and Saudi intelligence officers who were caught by the Syrian army in one of the heavily fortified operations rooms during the invasion of the Syrian army and its allies of the East Ghouta.” American, British and Israeli military personnel captured in Syria have confirmed they were ordered to stage chemical attacks in East Ghouta by their governments. Our sources in Russia, highest level, told us the attack was coming based on information they received from US and Israeli prisoners taken in East Ghouta after an evacuation attempt failed. US casualty announcements in this effort have been released over the past few days as happening in other areas to cover US complicity in terrorism. This dishonors families of the dead, not just in the misuse of service members to support terrorism but in lying to families about combat deaths. This shame goes directly to coward Trump! “The Marine Corps identified four Marines killed on Tuesday in a CH-53E Super Stallion helicopter crash near El Centro, Calif. The Marines were assigned to Marine Heavy Helicopter Squadron (HMH) 465, Marine Aircraft Group 16, 3rd Marine Aircraft Wing at Marine Corps Air Station Miramar. “The loss of our Marines weighs heavy on our hearts,” Maj. Gen. Mark Wise, commanding general of 3rd MAW, said in a statement. “Our priority is to provide support for our families and HMH-465 during this critical time.” The four Marines killed in the crash were Capt. Samuel A. Schultz, First Lt. Samuel D. Phillips, Gunnery Sgt. Derik R. Holley and Lance Cpl. Taylor J. Conrad.” Other US casualties were listed as a US Air Force F16 that allegedly crashed at Nellis Air Force Base in Nevada and up to 6 Americans who the US claims were killed by “Kurdish forces” in the north of Syria. All died in a failed combined US/Israel rescue operation to remove not only communications and command personnel but also chemical weapons operations teams as well. Last week, VT Damascus received evidence that Americans, US Army Special Forces along with Israeli chemical weapons officers had been captured in East Ghouta. We were told that not only was a command facility captured with modern weapons but a stockpile of British made 81mm poison gas mortar shells, numbering in the hundreds, was seized as well

    Must read article about what happened in East Ghouta: – German Chlorine chemical weapons found – UK VX (seriously deadly stuff) shells found by the hundreds – UK Chemical warfare experts captured by Syrian forces. – Failed US and Israel Special Forces mission to extract said experts, resulting in the deaths and capture of entire mission. – Skripal is to push Russia for refusing to facilitate a release of captured forces. Russia told the UK, through Oman, that they have to talk to Syria directly. West now has to go big before the truth gets out of what they’ve really been up to in Syria.

    AL-HASAKA:

    In what had to be a hilarious operation, American choppers were seen by locals on the ground picking up foreign remnants of ISIS at Tal Al-Shaayer, about 23 kilometers south of Al-Shidaadi. What was funny was how the soldiers on board the helicopters tried to stage a phony battle with ISIS as a cover for picking up the terrorists to deploy them elsewhere under another name. A civilian was killed during the fake battle.


    https://syrianperspective.com/2018/04/trumps-disporting-with-fire-zionist-attack-on-t4-miserable-failure-the-endless-bloviations-of-trump.html

    This should explain why they so much determination to attack Syria..  maybe they trying to blackmail Russia
    to release the prisoners and stay silent about US,UK and France cooperation with terrorism.
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    Post  Vann7 Fri Apr 13, 2018 10:26 am

    So no longer is a secret.. lol1  Sputnik throw the bomb..


    Syrian Army Captures British Militants in Eastern Ghouta –

    https://sputniknews.com/military/201804121063460158-british-forces-syria-ghouta/


    This is the reason why Britain ,France and US wants to bomb the hell of Syria day and night.
    This is to pressure Russia to intervene to release their captured officers fighting in the side of ISIS.  No
    against the Syrian government... This people were bombing cities every day.. somewhere is said about
    12,000 civilians killed by their shelling since 2013 they took control of the zone..

    But also Chemical weapons factory was found too.. the british were in control of the chemicals
    they used to stage false flags. against damascus .

    Even thought the report is about Lebanese media news report.. and SPutnik do not claim to be
    its own investigation , at same time ,they will never release this report if they knew it wasn't true.
    Because is very scandalous.. if confirmed . This "moderate rebels" that had British special forces
    help ,in Damascus ,have been attacking Damascus every day , and taking hostage 150,000 civilians..

    When Russia release this ..is because they understand that relations will never improve with US -UK and France..
    however Russia give a room for save face ,by distancing from the report..as something that a "local news" media
    is reporting.. but if this information is confirmed ,could only come from Syrian army and Russia ,which were the ones
    liberating damascus.ghouta.


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    Post  lulldapull Fri Apr 13, 2018 10:52 am

    Vann, I posted this from Fars 2 days ago. Iran knows what these fukkers are up to.

    These British/ EU 'muslim' terrorists are in Iran now being 'interrogated'.......at the famous Evin prison. According to some source more than 38 have been captured alive.

    Most of these terrorists are Euro trash muslim with Special forces local 'handlers' that the EU uses to carry out these acts. The path was very simple straight out of prison, either go to Syria/ Iraq to do as told, or else rot in jail for the rest of your lives. The jails in the EU are empty of the most dangerous felons. Now we see them pulling these stunts in Syria and Iraq. lol

    And they think Iran doesn't know this........lol.........ISIS = Nusra = AlCIAda = FSA = The West

    All the same bastards.

    Vann7 wrote:So no longer is a secret.. lol1  Sputnik throw the bomb..


    Syrian Army Captures British Militants in Eastern Ghouta –

    https://sputniknews.com/military/201804121063460158-british-forces-syria-ghouta/


    This is the reason why Britain ,France and US wants to bomb the hell of Syria day and night.
    This is to pressure Russia to intervene to release their captured officers fighting in the side of ISIS.  No
    against the Syrian government... This people were bombing cities every day.. somewhere is said about
    12,000 civilians killed by their shelling since 2013 they took control of the zone..

    But also Chemical weapons factory was found too.. the british were in control of the chemicals
    they used to stage false flags. against damascus .
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    Post  Vann7 Fri Apr 13, 2018 10:55 am


    yes i know you reported it..

    But Now is Sputnik news.. for the world to see it...

    So now the entire world will know.. not just obscure media.

    Russia however did not claimed the report to be theirs.. but this is Hint..

    by Russia government about what happened in Ghouta.

    If NATO attack Syria.. Russia can release the picture of the prisoners ,the videos..
    and their testimonies.

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    Post  lulldapull Fri Apr 13, 2018 11:01 am

    Vann, the Houthis and Iraqi security forces have been capturing and interrogating these suicide jihadists in Iraq and Yemen for long time. Most of these guys are serious criminals, murderers and rapists.....this is how the EU get rid of them, permanently! The jails in sawdi, kuwait, qatar and UAE are empty!

    Vann7 wrote:
    yes i know you reported it..

    But Now is Sputnik news.. for the world to see it...

    So now the entire world will know.. not just obscure media.

    Russia however did not claimed the report to be theirs.. but this is  Hint..

    by Russia government about what happened in Ghouta.

    If NATO attack Syria.. Russia can release the picture of the prisoners ,the videos..
    and their testimonies.

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    Post  JohninMK Fri Apr 13, 2018 12:01 pm

    Yesterday, at the US House Armed Services Committee Budget Hearing, Secretary Mattis was asked what US legal authority there was that would allow the US to strike Syria in response to the chemical incident. He responded that they would be doing so under Article 2, that is in defence of US forces in theatre.

    Yes, you read that correctly, the US will attack Syria, presumably destroying what they regard as development labs/storage and delivery sites, in order to protect its forces, that incidentally are there illegally, from possible gas attacks.

    He said that whilst it was not used on US forces this time he could not assume that it would not be in the future.

    He also said that it would be due to Syria's violation of the Chemical Weapons Treaty.

    Basically the US would be acting in self defence.

    Incredible.

    The first point this was raised is around 80 minutes and then again 93 mins. Also why are the US still there is at 126 mins

    https://twitter.com/thejointstaff/status/984431168777945092

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