[Official] Armata Discussion thread #1

I've read western tanks have an average ROF(not burst) of at least 8 rpm. Detractors of Russian tanks say that any autoloaders that aren't of the type the Leclerc or M8 AGS use are pointless because they don't give a any ROF advantage over manually loaded tanks.

I've read on many western military forums  that say that the T-72Bs autoloader's minimal ROF is 4 rpm while the earlier and export models offer 3 rpm. Is this statistic only valid if the autoloader isn't maintained properly?

Autoloaders do not fatigue, do not fumble, and do not make mistakes.

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Newest Tank "Armata" will show the leadership of the country for the first time in September

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Newest Tank "Armata" will show the leadership of the country for the first time in September

Wonder if one can sneak inside with some spy cam or something to get some initial but grainy pictures.

I remember they did the same with S-37 Berkut in mid-90's and then they immediately disclosed it publicly too.

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Fuss about the "Almaty"


As is known, in 2015 to be completed testing of a new generation of wheeled and tracked unified platform for armored fighting vehicles the Army in three weight categories: light, medium and heavy. Around the heavy platform "Armata" led to the tank being developed in Nizhny Tagil, recently started this junk vanity.
Of course, anyone interested in armored vehicles, I wonder how all this will look breakthrough machine. Over the last couple of years have been quite a lot of different assumptions, speculations, hints of responsible persons, as well as metered "sinks" on the subject. Including the "light" of the Internet and a number of models of cars on the basis of the above platforms.

Show will be, but closed
Many expected that the already finished or close to the exit at the pre-production test tank "Armata" BTR "Boomerang" and BMP "Kurganets-25" this year will be shown at an exhibition in Nizhny Tagil. They are really present, but the show will be closed - for the top military and political leadership of the country, without the press. This is due to the procedure to ensure secrecy - before bringing armored vehicles on state tests of the neck with his take on the appearance of the existing situation is impossible. And no matter how the public would "at least a glimpse" - to break the law no one will.

The fact that several samples of each platform are preparing for the show, confirmed officially. Several because on the same platform, "Armata" developed not only a tank, but heavy infantry fighting vehicles (TBMP) and other machines. We also know that the front "box" of new tanks, infantry fighting vehicles, armored personnel carriers to take part in the anniversary parade on Red Square in 2015. However, the final decision has not been approved. So if the machine "does not light up" to it, then a maximum of two years to see their audience.
What do we know about the "Armata"?

According to the authoritative edition of Jane's, in fact tank "Armata" Object code is 148. The layout of "Almaty was" revolutionary and has not been used even once in the series tanks. It is identical to the layout of its predecessor - the tank Object 195. A powerful armor protection forehead, behind her - well protected bronekapsuly with the crew on an automated combat compartment with an uninhabited tower on top, then the engine compartment.
The weapon of the tank is a 125-mm gun 2A82 high-power, in its energy and other performance significantly superior to any Western 120-mm gun, including an elongated gun "Rheinmetall". The gun is placed on the so-called master stream and the scheme is high enough. Its capacity is sufficient to defeat any prospective tank. For this instrument has been developed and tested high-power ammunition: armor-piercing, guided missiles, cumulative and others. Ammunition of the tank separated from the crew capsule and can not harm him in the detonation.

Form of the frontal part of the body is inherited from Obekta195. But the multi-layer composite armor protection based on new bronestalyah electro-slag remelting of high resistance, new materials and structures filler and provide protection from current and future weapons. The tank is equipped with a new explosive reactive armor and a set of active defense "Afghanis."

"Armata" weighs more than 50 tons. Tank itself, according to some reports, has 6 pairs of rollers as the T-90 or T-80, on the other - on their 7 as an object 195. Rollers are taken from the tank T-80, and not on the T-72 (T-90). It is unusual for Tagil machines. The fact that this tank Chassis considered the most successful and rollers easier than that on the T-90. Equipped with a "Armata" X-shaped diesel engine Chelyabinsk-85 A-3. It has a switching mode power limit from 1200 to HP 1500-1600

Tank Information Management System (TIUS) and fire control system (FCS) "Almaty was" expected to be the best in the world. The automation level of the tank is such that management will be carried out with a handy remote displays.
Criticism or informataka?

Recently, some media, as well as the various "okolotankovyh" Internet sites on the tank "Armata" started this informataka. Some experts have lashed out at the leadership and UKBTM Uralvagonzavod. It is, they say, instead of the real tank to justify the cost is going to bring the country's leadership fraud: chassis layout based on the body of T-90 with the layout of the new bashni.A tank itself will supposedly be ready very soon.

But the main complaint - "Armata" is not needed. Instead, it is better to upgrade the correct T-72 and buy new T-90AM. This point of view is convenient in the industry who do not want to "fool" with a revolutionary, sophisticated new machine. It is easier to take the path of extensive development.

Simultaneously, various experts and analysts have begun to voice complaints about the main highlight of the machine - its layout. Reinforced on all sides and covered with a strong frontal armor crew capsule "poorly protected from the sides and roof." Yes, it is so crowded that not only is it impossible to carry out combat missions without leaving the machine for a couple of days, as required, but in general will need to recruit a crew of "dwarf-Kirghiz."

Especially the atrocities some Ukrainian "comrades" who specialize in overtones of Russian and Soviet tank production. Of course, except for its part of Kharkov. Why, though, these "volunteers" Ukrainian tank building to decry our tankoprom - is unclear. Kharkovites good to pass Thai customers late in the year collected almost by hand first five tanks "BM Hold." In short, to compete with projects such as the "Armata", they are not able to.
A dog barks - the caravan moves

All of these attacks and the gloomy predictions should be treated with the serenity of a camel, barking dogs of the caravan oasis already passed. Exactly the same hype and was the premiere fighter T-50 PAKFA. Various insiders have generously shared their descriptions and even drawings of the machine, which, as it turned out, were related at best to the early operating time. Another thing is that such a situation will continue to persist if the official information on such important projects will still be dispensed beyond measure.


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Fuss about the "Almaty"

Amazing man.. this has afghan armour..?? what is that..

Electric PLASMA armour for melting incoming Kinetic energy, rounds ..what is this..Rolling Eyes
Never heard of that..

new bronestalyah electro-slag remelting of high resistance

Do this medium weight vehicles also carry this Electric shield armour.. ?

Electroslag remelting is a method of creating very hard metal... normallyowne
used in gun barrels to make them stronger and able to handle higher pressures and higher velocities...

it makes existing metal alloys stronger and harder so for instance in a barrel you can fire 2,000 high velocity rounds instead of 300 before you have to change it.