[Official] Armata Discussion thread #1

fragmachine wrote:Is there any info about Armata tank armour? How will it fare against Leo 6 or Abrams? It will most probably be mixed with ceramics, steel plates/some sort of newly developed special material + Relikt, right?

Drop in anything you know below

Vann7 wrote:
Will the ARmata tank will have enough protection on its turret against Top attack weapons? or will it depends of active defenses like arena?

Vann7 wrote:

Will the ARmata tank will have enough protection on its turret against Top attack weapons? or will it depends of active defenses like arena?

magnumcromagnon wrote:

Vann7 wrote:

Will the ARmata tank will have enough protection on its turret against Top attack weapons? or will it depends of active defenses like arena?

A) Top armor ERA

B) Afghanistan

Vann7 wrote:
Does russian MOD have said how many armata main battle tanks they will order for the army?

Development work on the creation of new generation tank “Armata” will be completed by the end of 2015, told the Chief of Land Forces, Colonel General Oleg Salyukov.

Earlier, Deputy Prime Minister Dmitry Rogozin has repeatedly stated that the tank on the new platform “Armata” will be first shown to the public on May 9, 2015 Victory Parade.

“At the moment the development work continues on the development of advanced models of armored equipment, including tanks and APCs “Armata”, BMP “Kurganets-25″ and BTR “Boomerang”, the completion of which is scheduled for the end of next year,” said Salyukov.

TR1 wrote:Good. Showing off several barely tested prototypes is just dumb.

And anything that makes Rogozin look stupid is good in my book.

Austin wrote:I think what he means is state test will end by end of 2015.

That does not mean that tank cant be shown in May 2015.

A tank test is a long process which is done in many climatic condition and run for many thousand km and is time consuming , does not mean that the tank will break down just that they need to mandatory need to go through it to get stastical data on multiple component and test point

MOSCOW, October 1. / TASS /. Land Forces of the Russian Federation until 2020 will get adopted 5 thousand. Units of new armored vehicles and 6 th. Upgraded specimens. Including T-72B3 tanks and infantry fighting vehicles BMP-3, told the Chief of Land Forces, Colonel-General Oleg Salyukov.

He recalled that the decision of the President of the Russian Federation up to 2020 ground forces should be equipped with modern weapons and military equipment by 70%.


For this purpose, said the general, "is planned to purchase the upgraded T-72B3, perfectly proved themselves to compete in Biathlon Tank, as well as during the exercises" Vostok-2014 ", infantry fighting vehicles BMP-3, the upgraded BMP-2, BTR -82A. "


In this case, the commander in chief said that "the purchase of BMP-3 and resumed the next year they are to be supplied as kit (battalions) in units of the Land Forces."
"A total of 2020 is planned to buy more than 5 thousand. New and about 6 thousand. Revised pieces of armored military vehicles, as well as about 14 thousand. Units of contemporary models of motor vehicles", - concluded the Commander.

Delivery "Iskander-M"

The following year, the Ground Forces of the Russian Federation will have to adopt two sets of brigade tactical missile complexes "Iskander-M". - One for the Southern Military District, the second - for the East, said Salyukov.


"In 2015 it is planned to supply two sets of missile formations Southern and Eastern military districts," - he said.



Salyukov recalled that, in accordance with the long-term government contract has been delivered to the army brigade sets of four missile complexes "Iskander-M". "By the end of this year planned delivery of another set for missile formation of the Central Military District," - added Salyukov.


As reported earlier TASS in the company - the manufacturer complexes "Iskander-M" "KBM" one brigade set includes 12 self-propelled launchers (on wheeled tractor), 12 transport-charging machines, 11 command post vehicles, 14 cars livelihood, one preparation of the information item, one car-routine maintenance, military reserve missiles of two types - aeroballistic and cruise.


Under contract with the Ministry of Defense, signed in 2011, "KBM" must deliver an annual two brigade sets. According to open sources, the 2013 brigade sets of complexes "Iskander-M" entered into service of the 107th Missile Brigade (Birobidzhan) and 1st Missile Brigade (Krasnodar). In the current year, "Iskander" entered service 112 missile brigade (Shuya). Earlier, in 2011, to the brigade was beefed up 26 Missile Brigade in Luga.


"Iskander-M" is much greater than the best foreign analogues in its class in terms of accuracy, efficiency, effectiveness training missiles for launch, and other characteristics. Additionally, missile launcher may be equipped with different types of missiles. "Iskander-M" has a high probability of overcoming anti-missile defenses. The missile maneuvers with high congestion and flies through the unpredictable path to the enemy.


In the future, the complex will be the basis of missile units of the Land Forces of Russia.

32 tanks "Armata"

The first batch of new tanks on the basis of a universal platform heavy "Armata", which will go to the Land Forces of the Russian Federation on the basis of the state tests, will consist of 32 cars.


Salyukov recalled that "currently ongoing development activities (R & D) to create advanced models of armored vehicles, including tanks and APCs" Armata "BMP" Kurganets-25 "BTR" Boomerang "." Completion is scheduled for OCD end of next year, "- said Salyukov.




"After the state testing in the interests of the Land Forces will be purchased by one battalion data set of machines for carrying out their experimental military operation at all stages of combat training as part of units. According to the results will be determined by their purpose and further shipments" - added Salyukov.


The battalion set of armor in the Russian Armed Forces has 32 machines.
State tests of tanks can last a year or more. For example, the state tests the basic T-90 tank lasted from January 1989 to March 1991. In this war machine was tested to its limits. Tank carried many kilometers marches in various ranges in different climatic conditions.


At the same time could be simulated emergency situations - for example, breaking the engine cooling system, which can occur in combat. The tank was tested for strength - it fired shells and rockets of various calibers of anti complexes, exploding mines. Checked armament of the tank - the shooting was carried out by all kinds of shells. Leak tested T-90 underwater.


Unified platform "Armata" developed "Uralvagonzavod". At its base is planned to create a wide range of armored vehicles, including main battle tank, armored infantry fighting vehicle tank support, chassis for self-propelled artillery, and others. According to some reports, the tank on the platform "Armata" were armed with 152-mm cannon and uninhabited tower, the crew at the same time will be in bronekapsuly.

Not exclude the purchase of "Terminator 2"

Land Forces of the Russian Federation are considering the purchase of tank support combat vehicle (BMPT) "Terminator 2".



We are considering military vehicle tank support" Terminator 2 "for the Army. Question for its further use will be decided after the completion of the definition of long-term appearance of the Ground Forces," - said Salyukov.


BMPT-72 "Terminator 2" was presented in 2013 at an arms fair in Nizhny Tagil. This machine has a high level of firepower, protection, command handling, can effectively solve the problem of the fire support of tanks and infantry in all kinds of combat operations, in different climatic zones, at any time of the day. In "Terminator 2" as opposed to the previous model improved the system of orientation and fire control.
BMPT "Terminator 2" is not accepted by the Russian Army.

BTR-90 will not be purchased until

Ground forces are not planning to buy the BTR-90.Answering the question of whether it planned to resume the supply of troops in armored personnel carriers BTR-90, Salyukov said: "At the moment we buy the BTR-82A, in which the maximum account of developments on a range of weapons, fire control system, security, mobility, and command-control."


BTR-90 - Tactical Wheeled Vehicle development Gorky Automobile Plant. Compared with the BTR-80 is a new machine significantly enhanced armor, the new APC was a V-shaped bottom to strengthen the protection of a landmine explosion, stabilizing arms, BTR-90 has a higher maneuverability due to rotation of the wheels of different boards in different directions, other benefits .


Originally it was planned that the serial production of the BTR-90 for the Russian army will begin in 2011. However, later the Ministry of Defence refused to procurement of armored personnel carriers, as well as its exports.

TR1 wrote:So they say, we will see if it really materializes.

BMP-2 "modernization" so far has been barely anything more than Kapremont + new radios.
BMP-3 story has been on and off for years. And with the sort of purchase tempo, I doubt they can even acquire that many in a few years.

EDIT: Don't worry, you will see the wheeled and tracked chassis next year, there will be leaks, pokazuha and video segments. I guarantee it. Full Armata? Well, that depends on how much of a secret they want to keep.

TR1 wrote:Good. Showing off several barely tested prototypes is just dumb.

And anything that makes Rogozin look stupid is good in my book.

What does Kapremont mean?

Can't wait.

Austin wrote:Until 2020, the Ground Forces of the Russian Federation will receive 5 thousand. Units of new armored vehicles


http://itar-tass.com/politika/1478134




MOSCOW, October 1.  / TASS /.  Land Forces of the Russian Federation until 2020 will get adopted 5 thousand. Units of new armored vehicles and 6 th. Upgraded specimens.  Including T-72B3 tanks and infantry fighting vehicles BMP-3, told the Chief of Land Forces, Colonel-General Oleg Salyukov.

He recalled that the decision of the President of the Russian Federation up to 2020 ground forces should be equipped with modern weapons and military equipment by 70%.


For this purpose, said the general, "is planned to purchase the upgraded T-72B3, perfectly proved themselves to compete in Biathlon Tank, as well as during the exercises" Vostok-2014 ", infantry fighting vehicles BMP-3, the upgraded BMP-2, BTR -82A. "


In this case, the commander in chief said that "the purchase of BMP-3 and resumed the next year they are to be supplied as kit (battalions) in units of the Land Forces."
"A total of 2020 is planned to buy more than 5 thousand. New and about 6 thousand. Revised pieces of armored military vehicles, as well as about 14 thousand. Units of contemporary models of motor vehicles", - concluded the Commander.

Delivery "Iskander-M"

The following year, the Ground Forces of the Russian Federation will have to adopt two sets of brigade tactical missile complexes "Iskander-M".  - One for the Southern Military District, the second - for the East, said Salyukov.


"In 2015 it is planned to supply two sets of missile formations Southern and Eastern military districts," - he said.



Salyukov recalled that, in accordance with the long-term government contract has been delivered to the army brigade sets of four missile complexes "Iskander-M".  "By the end of this year planned delivery of another set for missile formation of the Central Military District," - added Salyukov.


As reported earlier TASS in the company - the manufacturer complexes "Iskander-M" "KBM" one brigade set includes 12 self-propelled launchers (on wheeled tractor), 12 transport-charging machines, 11 command post vehicles, 14 cars livelihood, one preparation of the information item, one car-routine maintenance, military reserve missiles of two types - aeroballistic and cruise.


Under contract with the Ministry of Defense, signed in 2011, "KBM" must deliver an annual two brigade sets.  According to open sources, the 2013 brigade sets of complexes "Iskander-M" entered into service of the 107th Missile Brigade (Birobidzhan) and 1st Missile Brigade (Krasnodar).  In the current year, "Iskander" entered service 112 missile brigade (Shuya).  Earlier, in 2011, to the brigade was beefed up 26 Missile Brigade in Luga.


"Iskander-M" is much greater than the best foreign analogues in its class in terms of accuracy, efficiency, effectiveness training missiles for launch, and other characteristics.  Additionally, missile launcher may be equipped with different types of missiles.  "Iskander-M" has a high probability of overcoming anti-missile defenses.  The missile maneuvers with high congestion and flies through the unpredictable path to the enemy.


In the future, the complex will be the basis of missile units of the Land Forces of Russia.

32 tanks "Armata"

The first batch of new tanks on the basis of a universal platform heavy "Armata", which will go to the Land Forces of the Russian Federation on the basis of the state tests, will consist of 32 cars.


Salyukov recalled that "currently ongoing development activities (R & D) to create advanced models of armored vehicles, including tanks and APCs" Armata "BMP" Kurganets-25 "BTR" Boomerang "." Completion is scheduled for OCD end of next year, "- said Salyukov.




"After the state testing in the interests of the Land Forces will be purchased by one battalion data set of machines for carrying out their experimental military operation at all stages of combat training as part of units. According to the results will be determined by their purpose and further shipments" - added Salyukov.


The battalion set of armor in the Russian Armed Forces has 32 machines.
State tests of tanks can last a year or more.  For example, the state tests the basic T-90 tank lasted from January 1989 to March 1991.  In this war machine was tested to its limits.  Tank carried many kilometers marches in various ranges in different climatic conditions.


At the same time could be simulated emergency situations - for example, breaking the engine cooling system, which can occur in combat.  The tank was tested for strength - it fired shells and rockets of various calibers of anti complexes, exploding mines.  Checked armament of the tank - the shooting was carried out by all kinds of shells.  Leak tested T-90 underwater.


Unified platform "Armata" developed "Uralvagonzavod".  At its base is planned to create a wide range of armored vehicles, including main battle tank, armored infantry fighting vehicle tank support, chassis for self-propelled artillery, and others. According to some reports, the tank on the platform "Armata" were armed with 152-mm cannon and uninhabited tower, the crew at the same time will be in bronekapsuly.

Not exclude the purchase of "Terminator 2"

Land Forces of the Russian Federation are considering the purchase of tank support combat vehicle (BMPT) "Terminator 2".



We are considering military vehicle tank support" Terminator 2 "for the Army. Question for its further use will be decided after the completion of the definition of long-term appearance of the Ground Forces," - said Salyukov.


BMPT-72 "Terminator 2" was presented in 2013 at an arms fair in Nizhny Tagil.  This machine has a high level of firepower, protection, command handling, can effectively solve the problem of the fire support of tanks and infantry in all kinds of combat operations, in different climatic zones, at any time of the day.  In "Terminator 2" as opposed to the previous model improved the system of orientation and fire control.
BMPT "Terminator 2" is not accepted by the Russian Army.

BTR-90 will not be purchased until

Ground forces are not planning to buy the BTR-90.Answering the question of whether it planned to resume the supply of troops in armored personnel carriers BTR-90, Salyukov said: "At the moment we buy the BTR-82A, in which the maximum account of developments on a range of weapons, fire control system, security, mobility, and command-control."


BTR-90 - Tactical Wheeled Vehicle development Gorky Automobile Plant.  Compared with the BTR-80 is a new machine significantly enhanced armor, the new APC was a V-shaped bottom to strengthen the protection of a landmine explosion, stabilizing arms, BTR-90 has a higher maneuverability due to rotation of the wheels of different boards in different directions, other benefits .


Originally it was planned that the serial production of the BTR-90 for the Russian army will begin in 2011.  However, later the Ministry of Defence refused to procurement of armored personnel carriers, as well as its exports.