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d_taddei2 Mon Sep 12, 2022 12:33 am

GarryB wrote:Wow... in that link you posted was this;

The red thing with the holes in the top is a Russian invented fire suppression system... I remember seeing in on an excellent Aussie TV programme from the 1990s called Beyond 2000 that looked at new ideas and new technologies being invented at the time.

This thing is very very simple... place it in the engine bay or near a fuel system in a vehicle (not a crew cabin or manned area).

When a fire is detected this thing is ignited and it rapidly burns material which sucks all the O2 out of the surrounding air and suffocates the fire to prevent it from doing too much damage.

Good to see it being in use.

Russia Today had a similar programme called Technology Update which was excellent too and looked at new technology and developments to improve things and make life easier, but they cancelled it.

An automatic fire extinguishing system is installed in the engine compartment. It wasn't in the old cars.

So this system was developed in the 1990s, and is only introduced to this vehicle now... if you had asked me before hand if they had these I would have assumed they all had them because the system is actually very simple and cheap.... it consumes oxygen but it does not get hot or create super heated gas like it would if it was just some material that burned rapidly.

It has already been mentioned on the forum about upgrades... we hear a bit about them and assume they are done only to find out later they were cancelled or are only just doing them now. Things like upgrades for the Blackjacks, or APS systems on tanks and armoured vehicles...

Which link are u talking about scratch

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GarryB Mon Sep 12, 2022 9:03 am

The one in Post number 6...

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Scorpius Mon Sep 12, 2022 9:58 am

GarryB wrote:

So this system was developed in the 1990s, and is only introduced to this vehicle now...

I know for sure that such systems have been installed on Russian armored vehicles for a couple of decades.
It was developed in the nineties, adopted in the noughties.

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xeno Wed Apr 12, 2023 4:12 am

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A very cute weapon...
Any member on this forum like me loves these improvised and exotic weapons?

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marcellogo Thu Apr 13, 2023 8:22 am

KAWAIIII!

Well, after the monstruosity that was the one with twin 25mm turret, everything look ok...

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Its main problem will be its ammo, the S-60 is an AA gun so while there are APHE rounds they are intended to destroy protected aircraft... which are generally not heavily protected like some ground vehicles.

It is a very high velocity gun and like most AA guns would be good for destroying light armour and the calibre means it would pack a serious punch even against ground targets... we have seen ZU-23 twin gun mounts on BMDs so why not S-60 57mm guns on MTLBs.

A versatile vehicle with a very powerful gun... firing clips of four rounds it could really do some damage at quite decent standoff ranges... the ZSU-57-2 was most popular as a ground to ground suppression weapon...

Would not want to be fired at with that.

Lower rate of fire than the 25mm and 23mm but packs rather more punch per round.

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d_taddei2 Thu Apr 13, 2023 3:58 pm

The Cubans went one step further and put 85mm and 100mm anti aircraft gun on T-34 chassis this was done so it could be used in three ways anti air, artillery, and direct fire. Although they don't pack much penetration the rounds would be devastating against light vehicles and infantry. I suppose they could do this upgrade using the 37mm anti aircraft gun as well if they have it laying around. I remember seeing a Syrian T-55 with turret removed and a ZPU-4 mounted on it and they were using it to tackle VIED I guess using four barrels increased the chances of hitting the fast moving vehicle and the 14.5mm would be more then good to penetrate the ramshackle metal clad vehicles that the terrorists were using, although these vehicles were covered in armour the metal only provided protection from shrapnel and assault rifles only.

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flamming_python Fri Apr 14, 2023 11:59 am

Well it's a fire support vehicle. Nice and cheap too; Russia has many thousands of these MT-LBs and probably still a large surplus of these 57mm guns. Not sure how much ammo for them is available, but then again the ammo should be easy to mass produce.

For destroying sniper's nests, bunkers, enemy IFVs it's just the ticket.

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George1 Wed May 08, 2024 10:00 pm

after "turtle" tank and "turtle bmp" now we have the "turtle mt-lb"

https://twitter.com/bayraktar_1love/status/1787489775378686145

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BliTTzZ Wed Aug 28, 2024 4:16 pm

A successor to MT-LB:
https://vpk.name/news/901624_na_armii-2024_prezentovali_motolygu_xxi_veka-mgt-lb_izdelie_6448.html

At the International Military-Technical Forum "Army-2024", a tracked vehicle was demonstrated for the first time, which is capable of displacing the MT-LB transporter tractor, which has been in operation since the 60s, called "motolyga" in the army.

We are talking about the MGT-LB - "product" 6448. As reported by "RG: Russian weapons", the vehicle is designed to perform various tasks (delivery of personnel, towing artillery systems, etc.) in particularly difficult conditions, including mountainous ones.

Its own weight is 16,500 kg. Load capacity is 2,500 kg. The weight of the towed trailer is 7,000 kg. A significant advantage is considered to be a significantly increased level of protection.

A turbodiesel with a capacity of 450 horsepower allows for a maximum speed on the highway of 70 km per hour, and afloat - 10 km per hour. Fuel range: not less than 800 kilometers. Crew - two people.

MGT-LB is equipped with a remote-controlled 12.7-mm machine gun mount.

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GarryB Thu Aug 29, 2024 5:42 am

The MT-LB has a long history of upgrades and improvements... I wonder if this is really actually a different vehicle or just a further improvement?

Heavier armour is a useful improvement, but it is still essentially an artillery tractor.

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BliTTzZ Mon Sep 02, 2024 10:19 am

GarryB wrote:The MT-LB has a long history of upgrades and improvements... I wonder if this is really actually a different vehicle or just a further improvement?

Heavier armour is a useful improvement, but it is still essentially an artillery tractor.

Looks like heavily upgraded or completely differnet vehicle.
More likely the difference between MT-LB and MGT-LB is similar to the difference between T-72A and T-90M.
They are completely different and share the same pedigree at the same time.

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GarryB Mon Sep 02, 2024 1:28 pm

It was basically a box with tracks and an engine and relatively light armour... thicker armour, more powerful engine... there is little need to reinvent it... there must be almost 100 different versions of it including the command ACRV family of command vehicles, the base vehicle is essentially an artillery tractor intended to tow guns and other things while carrying troops or communications or rescue or EW or a dozen other jobs.

I seem to remember it started out as the MT-L, and over the years upgrades and improvements added or removed or shifted around the letters...

There is not much that you could do to upgrade the vehicle other than improvements in armour and horse power.

The original had a tiny turret with a PKT machine gun, this one appears to have a remote weapon station.

The original vehicles were widely used in the arctic and in the swamps because of their excellent mobility... in places with deep mud or deep snow for extended periods of the year they would be used for troop transport instead of BMPs which sometimes got bogged down.

The reduced armour was not critical because it was better than nothing.

It was a very popular vehicle.

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BliTTzZ Tue Sep 03, 2024 12:09 pm

From what I can see MGT-LB offers much better protection and overall improvements in all ares, including mobility.
There is also another one called MGSh-LBU (МГШ-ЛБУ).
Let us hope we will soon see a worthy successor to this Soviet veteran.

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