Lying to yourself is something weak peopple do. French lost the war and don't hide that fact. UK won nothing, it was the US who won in the west against germans.
But is that the honest truth?
France had little choice but to surrender... they were never going to defeat the German forces that had just overrun western europe in a couple of weeks... their individual equipment wasn't amazing, but it was the way they coordinated it and used it effectively that made them unstoppable... both the British and the French forces rolled back when faced with that onslaught... those who stood and fought got surrounded and disarmed and sent to captivity... the rest ran away... sorry... tactically withdrew...
The British had somewhere to withdraw to, France did not.
The British could have surrendered, they chose not to... and the horrendous suffering they endured resulted in losses far less than most battles on the eastern front... the British effectively lost three quarters of a million people and the Americans lost a quarter of a million... so a total effectively of one million lost over the entire war.
The British could have reduced that with a surrender, and if everyone surrendered the losses of the war would have been much lower... likely over time not lower for the Soviets because it was a war of extermination so they were always going to lose large numbers of people... Germany wanted the land but not the people living on it. Of course the British and the French could have multiplied their losses 10 fold and moved D Day to 1942 when it really would have made a difference for the Soviets who were really not given the opportunity to surrender at all. Had they chosen to do that then it is rather likely there would have been a lot more land fighting in Western Europe and more of the German forces would have been kept in the west, so Soviet losses would have been dramatically reduced but it is also likely that the western allies would have done much more of the heavy lifting and probably most of eastern europe would have been "liberated" by the British commonwealth and US forces instead of Soviet forces.
By delaying D Day to 1944 the west essentially handed eastern europe to Stalin, but the amusing thing is that the soviets get the blame for that and not the British and American and French allies that agreed to who got what at Yalta...
The Germans and British probably would have gotten on rather well... many of the things the British and the French and other european colonial powers did many worse things to the damn natives in their time... exterminating some Bolsheviks probably would have been rather popular in some quarters of Europe and the US...
But the Brits are stubborn... they wanted to be in charge.... not those damn Hun...
UK alone was a testing ground for german V1.
Germany needed resources so it had to go east... just like Japan initially needed resources so it headed west into Mongolia but got stopped by the Soviets and redirected south and east to asia and the pacific. The germans eventually went south to africa with an interest to going east to the middle east also for resources...
French lost and surrender. Then germany occupied the country. Did they destroy the country ? No. Did they kill people ? Some jews. Did they destroy the economy ? No. French paid a lot during those few years but immediatly after the war France became a power again.
I appreciate they had nowhere to run to... the Soviets had vast areas of their own country to retreat through... but they could have just surrendered too, but they did not.
UK without US becomes a shithole like african states.
Well there are many places in the US where infrastructure is run down and the people are poor, but African countries are another level below in theory.... in actual fact there are some places in Africa that might surprise you... there is a huge gap between a first or second world country down on its luck, and a third world country... that is why people from Africa want to go to Europe and the US.
The UK will most likely find a niche, but very difficult times are ahead and it is going to have to be very good at juggling and it might need to swallow a lot of pride and trade with a lot of countries it has in the past treated like shit. A bit of Crow needs to be eaten and they can probably get by OK.
It has no military power, depend on US totally.
Yeah, the last 30 odd years western military power has been misused and abused to increase the wealth of the 1%... the UK can honestly do without that and focus on what it really needs instead.... a bit like Russia... a tiny conventional force and some nukes... I suspect some long range cruise missiles would be much cheaper than tridents to be honest... they will work that out eventually I suspect.
No ecomical power, depend on US totally and everything they make can be found elsewhere contrary to French and Geran stuff. Their City is attractive because it is some sort of hidden space but can be replaced too.
I suspect the first cost of leaving the EU will be the shifting of London as an economic hub to somewhere else, but then how healthy is it to be a financial centre that does not make anything...
Diplomatically they are US bitches, there is no other word to describe that. They try to invent some stupid stories about poisoning to confront the first diplomatic power that is Russa annd play the big guy but that is every time rather pathetic because no one support them other than in words because NATO/US told them so.
I seem to remember all of HATO backing them up on that and expelling diplomats in line with US and UK policy...
France and Germany are two level up. The US influence is still great but they are making it smaller and smaller everyday and Trump helps a lot.
Yeah, you are not addicts and you can give up any time you want... denial...
France/Germany >>>>>>> Spain/Italy >>>UK
And if US let them down:
France/Germany >>>>>>> Spain/Italy >>>Poland >>>>> UK
To be really clear... multiple stops of the circle jerk express right with Washington writing the script...
If the EU is lucky it might become a pole in the new multipolar environment, but odds are it will remain subservient to the US so it will be a pole... it will just be a junior pole that answers to the US... I mean you couldn't even stand up to the US over the INF treaty and prevent long range ballistic and cruise missiles from being deployed to Europe... you didn't even attend the event the Russians put on to show you the missile you claimed violated the treaty... so now the Russians will be free to put as many intermediate range weapons in Europe as they want... feel better? Feel strong and independent? Or do I have to ask an American to find out your position?
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