Well said, very very well...calripson wrote:Russia had plenty of oil and gas revenue in the 1990s also, the difference is 100% of it was stolen and shipped to offshore bank accounts. I worked in finance in Moscow and I dealt with oligarchs and I saw exactly how it was done. Under Putin, only some of the money gets stolen - not 100% ! That was the essence of the whole Khodorkovsky conflict: he was going to bankroll the Duma to keep oil profit taxes low, privatize Transneft, and sell Yukos to Exxon. You forget what the political situation in Russia was when Putin came into office. Hell, Boris Berezovsky (an agent of British and probably Israeli intelligence) was head of the security council ! Putin is no angel, and he is not perfect, but he could never have gotten into power if he were. The corruption in Russia under Putin was there under Yeltsin and all through Russian history. No one, not even Stalin, managed to stamp that out.
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VVS Russian Air Force: News #1
xeno- Posts : 269
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Putin didn't start the thieving, no doubt about that.calripson wrote:Russia had plenty of oil and gas revenue in the 1990s also, the difference is 100% of it was stolen and shipped to offshore bank accounts. I worked in finance in Moscow and I dealt with oligarchs and I saw exactly how it was done. Under Putin, only some of the money gets stolen - not 100% ! That was the essence of the whole Khodorkovsky conflict: he was going to bankroll the Duma to keep oil profit taxes low, privatize Transneft, and sell Yukos to Exxon. You forget what the political situation in Russia was when Putin came into office. Hell, Boris Berezovsky (an agent of British and probably Israeli intelligence) was head of the security council ! Putin is no angel, and he is not perfect, but he could never have gotten into power if he were. The corruption in Russia under Putin was there under Yeltsin and all through Russian history. No one, not even Stalin, managed to stamp that out.
But he continued it in full swing, hence why I won't thank him for anything, or give him undue credit.
I don't like the whole "He is better than Yelstin!" thing, because it implies Russia can't do any better. Historically, well, we havn't haha. But thats no reason to settle for Tsar Putin today.
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Right now it can't...because it implies Russia can't do any better.
But if it makes you feel any better the US can't do any better than Obama at the moment.
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Corruption won't be stamped out (anywhere not just Russia) because it's human nature. It can be managed to a greater or lesser degree ....Russia's case is just trumpeted loudly and out of proportion in the media...but that's nothing new
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http://russianplanes.net/images/to126000/125689.jpg
Pretty cool pic, open and empty bomb bay of teh Bear.
Pretty cool pic, open and empty bomb bay of teh Bear.
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I would say corruption in the Soviet times was more limited due to economic system. You could not take millions abroad for example.Putin is no angel, and he is not perfect, but he could never have gotten into power if he were. The corruption in Russia under Putin was there under Yeltsin and all through Russian history. No one, not even Stalin, managed to stamp that out.
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Many countries have a system for banking that before millions are moved, it has to undergo approval and investigation. Russia does not have that. So its easier to steal money.
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I would say corruption in the Soviet times was more limited due to economic system. You could not take millions abroad for example.
You don't think so ? Starting from the 1970s with large inflows of foreign currency associated with energy sales, the USSR suddenly found itself having to deal with a lot of foreign banks...which meant if you were positioned in the right part of the KGB, or Ministry of Energy, for example, you got real familiar with Swiss banks. Guess who was there at foreign meetings over cocktails to help you set a little aside for yourself in an offshore bank ? Certain members of foreign countries "diplomatic" services.
The USSR was brought down not be a single bullet, but by a good old combination of offshore bank accounts, effective propaganda, and the age old divisions of ethnicity, language, and religion.
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10 years ago I knew I will live to see a picture like this. Now I want to see serial PAK-FA/DA parked like this
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Damn nice find. Any similar pics with high res?
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Sadly but nope. I found it here LINKTR1 wrote:Damn nice find. Any similar pics with high res?
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Domestic aviation industry in 2015 ordered 83 boards
http://www.aviaport.ru/digest/2013/12/09/269910.html
Initial plans aircraft production reduced by 15%
http://www.aviaport.ru/digest/2013/12/09/269910.html
Initial plans aircraft production reduced by 15%
In the federal target program "Development of civil aircraft in Russia until 2015" the government amended. The updated plans domestic enterprises produce 83 units of aircraft. Including 50 SuperJet-100 aircraft, 19 helicopters Ka-62, 6 - Mi-38 and other machines.
As noted in the development of aviation technology program, Russian aircraft industry enterprises have to get to the domestic and foreign aviation market new models of planes and helicopters before foreign competitors will open serial production counterparts. To perform this task provided "additional funds for the implementation of key projects in the final stages, and a number of new projects of innovative character."
This reduces the target of annual production in the Russian aircraft by 2015 with 95-100 aircraft to 83 planes and helicopters. Sales volumes of aircraft and helicopters by this time should make 107.6 billion rubles, sales of aircraft engines - 48.4 billion rubles a year.
Funding for the program in 2012-2015 is planned in the amount of 241,698 million rubles (including 170,896 million rubles from the federal budget and 70 802 million rubles from extrabudgetary sources). The volume of sales of domestic aircraft developed under the program should make during this period about 273 billion rubles. In the future, annual sales will increase due to the launch of a family of aircraft SSJ-100, MS-21 and Mi-38 and Ka-62 aircraft of small aircraft, as well as providing services for their after-sales support.
The new version of the program provides for increased funding of priority projects for the creation of the Mi-38 and Ka-62, MS-21, PD-14 engine, as well as in terms of reduction of funding for the creation of a 130-seater version of the aircraft SSJ-NG 2016.
The state will help domestic aircraft manufacturers, giving them an order for civilian aircraft from the state structures of up to 670 billion rubles. In the next 11 years, the consolidated state order will be 101 aircraft and 319 helicopters, which planned to deliver in 2013-2025 gg. The customer is the Russian Defense Ministry, FSB, MVD, FCS, aviation Roscosmos and Office of the President.
As for the aircraft, the order is expected to include 13 Tu-214/204SM, 51 An-148, 29 Sukhoi Superjet 100, and besides heavy transport aircraft Il-76MD-90A and promising medium and light military transport aircraft. 22 aircraft are proposed for 2013-2015., Sun 33 - in 2015-2020., The remaining 46 Sun - from 2020 to 2025 should be noted that the program is already Tu-204/214 and AN-148 continues exclusively expense of public customers.
Budget allocation for the purchase of aircraft at the expense of the federal budget for 2013-2025 years. reach 189.6 billion rubles. scheme of direct budgetary funding or 379.3 billion rubles. Scheme sales in installments with the assignment of the right to demand cash or leasing scheme.
Deliveries helicopters split as follows: 36 cars in 2013-2015. 172 Sun - in 2015-2020. and 111 helicopters over the next five years. The program states that the state order will include 21 heavy helicopter Mi-38, 33 light helicopters "ANSAT" as well as various modifications MI-8/17 family, Mi-26/T2, Ka-27, Ka-226T/TP/TM .
For the purchase of helicopters will be spent 152 billion rubles. scheme of direct budgetary funding or 291.5 billion rubles. Scheme sales in installments with the assignment of the right to demand cash or leasing scheme.
As already reported Gudok.ru, in 2013, "Sukhoi Civil Aircraft" released 25 Sukhoi Superjet 100 aircraft, and plans concern for 2014 provide a real breakthrough. "This year we are completing 25 aircraft. Next - another 40. Segment of regional and short-haul traffic Superjet proved its high performance. And we are ready to provide support service system of SSJ 100 to date," - said the chairman of the board of directors "Sukhoi" Mikhail Pogosyan.
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Promising lightweight fighter will be created in Russia, told Rogozin
http://ria.ru/defense_safety/20131211/983414883.html
http://ria.ru/defense_safety/20131211/983414883.html
Promising lightweight fighter would soon establish in Russia, said on Wednesday Deputy Prime Minister Dmitry Rogozin, at the plenary session in the State Duma.
"There is already a task to create a weapons program promising lightweight fighter - it will be created," - said Rogozin, responding to a question from one of the deputies.
Deputy Prime Minister noted that the lightweight fighters are most in demand, it is better to buy abroad.
"Light Fighter always most in demand in terms of export potential - its more likely to buy, that's MiG-29, for example, it is certainly superior to the heavy fighters, but today we have already completely untwisted production enterprise" Irkut "- a Su-30cm we produce Su-35s in Komsomolsk-on-Amur, PAK FA - we have 5 samples "- said Rogozin, noting that Russia has always tried to combine the production of light and heavy fighters.
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For those who read russian is he talking of Mig-35 purchase or new LMFS program ?
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AW&ST:Pace Of Russian Rearmament Quickens
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I wonder why no one ever mentiones Morfei?
When you see all articles about Russian military modernization up to 2020 is basically generalization of something that already exists. They are recycling articles over and over.
When you see all articles about Russian military modernization up to 2020 is basically generalization of something that already exists. They are recycling articles over and over.
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LMFS is a light 5th gen fighter... Mig-35 is not a 5th gen fighter.
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WoW ...impressive indeed
... any good article about it?
Anyway here is a BIIIG news.
Ukraine, Russia to jointly build 80 Antonov-124 cargo planes
... any good article about it?
Anyway here is a BIIIG news.
Ukraine, Russia to jointly build 80 Antonov-124 cargo planes
xeno- Posts : 269
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It won't happen, at least I hope so...
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Not gonna ask where they pulled the 80 number out of...
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xeno wrote:It won't happen, at least I hope so...
Why
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TR1 wrote:Not gonna ask where they pulled the 80 number out of...
More details.
Ukraine and Russia will jointly build 80 An-124 planes, to gain for their $ 12.9 billion
I bet fate of Slava class cruiser Ukraine has been decided too during the talks.
TR1- Posts : 5435
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Stop Viktor, you are going to give me a heart attack.
Noooooooooooooooooooooo
The 80 plane thing is the Uks being hopelessly overoptimistic btw.
Noooooooooooooooooooooo
The 80 plane thing is the Uks being hopelessly overoptimistic btw.
Viktor- Posts : 5796
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Hahaha .... but strangely no word about An-70?
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Presentation of various VVS aircraft and helos at Marinovka airbase (thanks Djoker)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TH5QrpHrLQg#t=298
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TH5QrpHrLQg#t=298