Russian Liberal Opposition

miketheterrible wrote:It's their swan song.

They know they are done and they are just crying out loud.

But everyone is happy that these morons have lost.

That's true, they've lost

But so would lose anyone in Russia with genuinely new ideas that wants to remodel the system.

flamming_python wrote:
That's true, they've lost

But so would lose anyone in Russia with genuinely new ideas that wants to remodel the system.

depends how you define liberal opposition? Gref, Siulianov, Medvedev are still in the game. People who want to remodel the system are welocmed and needed. Buty not people to turn Russia to "a democratic state" a la 90s.

kvs wrote:[
Agree 100%.   The Yeltsin Center is some sort of propaganda creation that serves no value for history or Russia.   Russia is not the USA
and does not need US style political crap.

BTW Gaidar economic forum sounds something like Vlasov's patriotic academy

Owners of businesses and multi-million dollar real estate in NATzO are hardly going to contribute to fresh ideas and solutions.
They are 100% likely to be compromised by western elements to serve western agendas. And that is exactly what we see.
None of the liberast 5th column has any sane original ideas an instead bleats inanity such as "the Yeltsin years were golden years
without corruption". Their task is to undermine Russia and not to help make it better.

flamming_python wrote:.....That's true, they've lost

But so would lose anyone in Russia with genuinely new ideas that wants to remodel the system.

Why would it be remodeled? And modeled on what?

They are already using standard setting.

Only alternatives currently in use are communism, constitutional monarchy and caliphate.

Unless Russia wants to experiment again but that didn't pay off last time they tried...

Hopefully with these changes, Yashin will lose his job.

Apparently Yashin (supported by Navalny) is a head of Moscow district Council. He gave himself a 130% raise while on vacation. He sits in an office with Joe Biden and Obama pictures.

Guy should be investigated and fired

https://twitter.com/nefritovy/status/1225229101264523264?s=19

miketheterrible wrote:Hopefully with these changes, Yashin will lose his job.

Apparently Yashin (supported by Navalny) is a head of Moscow district Council.  He gave himself a 130% raise while on vacation.  He sits in an office with Joe Biden and Obama pictures.

Guy should be investigated and fired

https://twitter.com/nefritovy/status/1225229101264523264?s=19

Look at this clown

This is Navalny's man, the brave 'fighter against the con-artists and thieves'?

Good, it would reduce Navalny's base further I hope. And as for this dickhead, throw him in the dungeon for corruption.

I am hoping someone forward the info to the prosecutors office of Russia in hopes that an investigation is done.

Problem is, a lot of people in Russia simply just post it on twitter and VK but they never actually go forward with the information so things are left unanswered.

Problem is, a lot of people in Russia simply just post it on twitter and VK but they never actually go forward with the information so things are left unanswered.

Yes, apparently only the Western PlG controlled 5th column DOGS are the ones who loves to make a big fuss about Alleged corruption cases and bitches about it 24/7 while they receive generous assistance from NATO MSM propaganda services to amplify their bitching. But when the corrupt is among their ranks, suddenly you will hear nothing but crickets.

PhSt wrote:

Problem is, a lot of people in Russia simply just post it on twitter and VK but they never actually go forward with the information so things are left unanswered.

Yes, apparently only the Western PlG controlled 5th column DOGS are the ones who loves to make a big fuss about Alleged corruption cases and bitches about it 24/7 while they receive generous assistance from NATO MSM propaganda services to amplify their bitching. But when the corrupt is among their ranks, suddenly you will hear nothing but crickets.

We see the real corruption.

It really is thick and rich for the west to be given the benefit of the doubt given its centuries of imperial rape and pillage that is still going
on today.

PhSt wrote:

Problem is, a lot of people in Russia simply just post it on twitter and VK but they never actually go forward with the information so things are left unanswered.

Yes, apparently only the Western PlG controlled 5th column DOGS are the ones who loves to make a big fuss about Alleged corruption cases and bitches about it 24/7 while they receive generous assistance from NATO MSM propaganda services to amplify their bitching. But when the corrupt is among their ranks, suddenly you will hear nothing but crickets.

It's not just that, but what I'm getting at is you won't see the people who are posting about him, go forward with the information to the authorities.

One thing I learned is the liberals are at least capable of harrassing authorities till they get their way. The other side just bitches about it from the couch but doesn't actually go to the authorities to demand an investigation. All these twitter accounts posting about this corrupt official haven't gone forward to authorities. They just post it on VK and twitter and stops at that

I don't know why. I believe it's a form of laziness and stupidity.

miketheterrible wrote:

PhSt wrote:

Problem is, a lot of people in Russia simply just post it on twitter and VK but they never actually go forward with the information so things are left unanswered.

Yes, apparently only the Western PlG controlled 5th column DOGS are the ones who loves to make a big fuss about Alleged corruption cases and bitches about it 24/7 while they receive generous assistance from NATO MSM propaganda services to amplify their bitching. But when the corrupt is among their ranks, suddenly you will hear nothing but crickets.

It's not just that, but what I'm getting at is you won't see the people who are posting about him, go forward with the information to the authorities.

One thing I learned is the liberals are at least capable of harrassing authorities till they get their way. The other side just bitches about it from the couch but doesn't actually go to the authorities to demand an investigation.  All these twitter accounts posting about this corrupt official haven't gone forward to authorities. They just post it on VK and twitter and stops at that

I don't know why. I believe it's a form of laziness and stupidity.

It is more complex than what you are painting it as. The whole process of going to the authorities is sort of an "entry barrier" problem.
You have to be damned sure you have some serious and backed up evidence or they will screw you hard for daring to rock the boat.
The liberasts have extra-special support in this regard compared to regular citizens. They have people inside the government who are
just waiting for such cases. In other words, there are liberasts waiting there who make the process easy for the accusers.

This bifurcation is moronic in itself. All those "serious" regime cogs should be the ones to wake the fuck up and not intimidate citizens
making corruption allegations. But they are jaded from all the liberast false claims and start to treat every citizen the same. I say
if they can't do their jobs, then get out and let others who will do it better take their place.

The solution to this problem is for the proles to organize real grass roots NGOs that have nothing to do with Soros and NATzO.
That is not an easy task. In the west we have the same "apathy" problem. The grass roots civil society activists are few and
far between. All those US idiots who think their "gun rights" will save them from the government are morons. They can only
fight the regime if they are organized. That is why the original articles of the US constitution pertaining to guns were about
the right to raise militias. Not just own guns. Obviously the key is organization.

The operators of Novoya Gazeta have been summoned for interviews by federal prosecutors. Compare to the
case of "Rebel Media" in Canada

1) Russian investigators have given specific reasons for the interview, namely the activity of a certain Khodorkovsky
sponsored "journalist" who has ties to terrorists. Canadian censors did not give Ezra Lavant any information as to
the basis of their interview.

2) Note that Russia is not invoking some BS argument to justify the interview. Novoya Gazeta engages in foreign
sponsored anti-Russian propaganda and employs "journalists" with links to terrorists to push the terrorist agenda.
Rebel Media in Canada is a tiny operation which dares not to lick the balls of our dear leader Trudeau. Rebel Media
can be shut down with a hefty fine. Novoya Gazeta will just keep on spewing its anti-Russian agitprop with its
rich foreign sponsors paying off any fine it gets.

3) Clearly the Canadian case is that of pure petty censorship at the instigation of the dear leader. In Russia we
have the absurd situation where verminous foreign sponsored and terrorist linked misinformation operations have
to be treated with kid gloves and due process because of the optics of suppression of freedom of the press and
free speech.

for me always was a great mystery why all those liberal media do exist in Russia without any problems? (in fact anti-Russian, with anti state activities in field of propaganda)
In the West such media outlets wont exist too long (besides who would be financing them?).

But even state owned Gazprom pays for... Ekho of Moscow!

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gazprom-Media


Looks like Putin had some informal commitments otherwise it would be hard to explain why?!

Clearly the Canadian case is that of pure petty censorship at the instigation of the dear leader. In Russia we
have the absurd situation where verminous foreign sponsored and terrorist linked misinformation operations have
to be treated with kid gloves and due process because of the optics of suppression of freedom of the press and
free speech.

This is a disgusting situation and makes me want to vomit. What has gotten into Putin and the rest of the Silovikis who are supposed to be the Vanguards of Russia's statehood? Is it part of the Russian psyche to prostitute their country to their bitter enemies? This is an Abnormal situation and nobody in the Russian patriot camp is doing anything to set things straight once and for all.

PhSt wrote:

Clearly the Canadian case is that of pure petty censorship at the instigation of the dear leader. In Russia we
have the absurd situation where verminous foreign sponsored and terrorist linked misinformation operations have
to be treated with kid gloves and due process because of the optics of suppression of freedom of the press and
free speech.

This is a disgusting situation and makes me want to vomit. What has gotten into Putin and the rest of the Silovikis who are supposed to be the Vanguards of Russia's statehood? Is it part of the Russian psyche to prostitute their country to their bitter enemies? This is an Abnormal situation and nobody in the Russian patriot camp is doing anything to set things straight once and for all.

You have to be careful about context. Putin came to power when Russia was almost down the toilet bowl drain in 1999.
He had no choice but to project an image of weakness and submission by Russia. He has pulled off this chameleon act
superbly and fooled all of the NATzO west into writing Russia off long enough for it to recover enough GDP and military
strength to no longer play the submission game.

These liberast fringe MSM in Russia are thus a legacy of the 1990s. Getting rid of them was not a priority because they
themselves did a great job of turning off Russians. The NATzO-sponsored liberast media in Russia has utterly failed to
win over any hearts and minds. Instead of engaging in smart propaganda, they have been platforms for idiots who
browbeat Russians and then expect Russians to support their agenda. These clown outfits are an indirect asset for
Putin and the "state run" Russian media uses their drivel very effectively to put them in the box of irrelevance.

Now we are entering another era where bending over for NATzO is no longer needed. But NATzO cannot be allowed
to take some propaganda high road regarding the freedom of thought and press like it did during the Cold War. I am
personally pissed off that these 5th column outfits openly pushing terrorist agendas are allowed to operate. But I
would rather see them sliced apart by a thousand legal cuts than have them shut down in a ham-fisted way. Let
the precious NATzO west engage in such totalitarian tactics.

Novaya Gazeta has put out a petty propaganda piece supposedly demonstrating that political murders in Russia are always
covered up. That is in response to being summoned legitimately by the authorities in the case of a Khodorkovsky paid
"journalist" who has ties to terrorists and pushes their agenda in Russia.

The piece cites 15 cases starting in 1994. That's right, back in the Yeltsin "golden era" that Novaya Gazeta extolls
as a time of no corruption and true freedom. NG must be writing articles for retards and 5 year olds. Anybody older
than a preteen in the 1990s can recall that Russia became a gangster's paradise under Yeltsin. Yeltsin's freedom
of the press involved for-hire corporate journalism which engage in hatchet job defamation on whomever some
oligarch wanted. Yeltsin's freedom stank of a typical tyranny since a starving person who stole a loaf of bread was
not given probation but sent to do hard time as if they had committed murder.

The second on the list of 15 is Vladislav Listyev who was killed in 1995. I am fully familiar with this case and he
was murdered by Berezovsky who was in the process of taking over ORT and was opposed by Listyev. Listyev
was extremely popular and Berezovsky used the Chechen mafia as his dogs for hire. Read the excellent book
called "Godfather of the Kremlin" by Paul Khlebnikov. It details the mafia activity of Berezovsky during the 1990s.
Khlebnikov was murdered also. BTW, Khelbnikov was no Putin fanboy and he made the serious mistake in his book
that Putin was Berezovsky's pet. He could not have been more wrong. But the book is basically the only comprehensive
account of the gangster's activities outside of police files. You will not find any such treatise by NATzO authors.

So we have the tired "Putin's regime kills journalists" talking point recast is a slightly broader light. Recall that Putin
became Prime Minister under Yeltsin in 1999.

Khodorkosky is funding Roizman again and he is running in politics in 2021.  I think there needs to be a law stipulating any politician funded by a banned individual and it is found out that he is indeed funded by him, cannot run politics period. Of course both are against the constitutional change in Russia. Because it would prevent them from gaining any real power.

This is the maggot working for Khodorkovsky who published personal information about Russian pilots for the use by terrorists.
He is still working and is being defended as some sort of saint by the 5th column liberasts. Imagine such a clown in NATzO,
he would not last one day on the job and for sure the editors of his paper would never allow the publication of such information.

It is time to shut NG down. It broke the law to enable terrorism. Enough said.

I think someone should provide his full details to certain individuals then too.

See how he likes it.

More on the NG maggot spreading personal information about Russian servicemen to terrorists. During the second Chechen war
he sold ammunition and information to wahabbi jihadis and put Russian servicemen directly into harm's way. This maggot is a
full blow traitor and needs to be tried for treason and shot.

kvs wrote:

More on the NG maggot spreading personal information about Russian servicemen to terrorists.     During the second Chechen war
he sold ammunition and information to wahabbi jihadis and put Russian servicemen directly into harm's way.   This maggot is a
full blow traitor and needs to be tried for treason and shot.

If this information has been known, how come no one has submitted it to the Russian authorities?

miketheterrible wrote:

kvs wrote:

More on the NG maggot spreading personal information about Russian servicemen to terrorists.     During the second Chechen war
he sold ammunition and information to wahabbi jihadis and put Russian servicemen directly into harm's way.   This maggot is a
full blow traitor and needs to be tried for treason and shot.

If this information has been known, how come no one has submitted it to the Russian authorities?

That is not the problem. For political optics the prosecutors have not opened a case against this clown. Time
to stop sucking off the f*cking NATzO west. Let them screech all they want about freedom of the press. If
maggots like this are their best example of Russian repression, then most people on the planet will laugh at them.

Remember the recent 5th column stench in Russia about the trial and imprisonment of the gang calling itself the "Net" (or "Set-" in Russian)?
Well, a Khodorkovsky "news" outfit called Meduza managed to get an interview with one of the Net who escaped to the NATzO west for
sanctuary. He confessed that they gang had committed two murders and were trafficking in narcotics. Not quite the dissident
martyrs that the liberasts were painting them....

The thug who gave the interview to Meduza goes by the name Alexey Poltavetz. Following his confession remains have been found
around an animal disturbed shallow grave in Ryzansk Oblast. They appears to be that of Ekaterina Levchenko. She was a former
member of the Net who disappeared in 2017 in Penza. The other victim is Artyom Dorofeiyev.

The liberast 5th column swine called these murderers innocent children. As I routinely point out. No coverage of Russia by the NATzO
fake stream media and its sycophants (e.g. Russian liberasts) is based on reality. It is pure projection smear. The above is evidence
of this.